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Jaxx wrote:
my name is David, 27 years old, France

Salut David,

Excuse pour practiquer mon francais. Vou avoir la amene un geologist? Vous pouves obteneir plus d'argent d'une auction.

?vous trouveriez quele pour croire ceci

bone chance]]> no_email@example.com (aussiET) http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16385.html What Do You Want From This Field? http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16254.html
My next question is whose bullsh!t filter do we use to determine who is telling (their) truth and who is lying?

As a writer, writing your book - did you pad the story at all? Is every conversation verbatim, or did you inject your humor and perceptions into the story? If so, does this make your whole story BS?

I've heard some stories from very dear friends who believe they "aren't from here".... By all other standards, these folks are pretty normal. How can I tell them that their feeling isn't valid? By the same token, I don't discount your experience.

I understand your frustration - you're grouped with a bunch of woo-woos. Folks on the outside put all of us under one umbrella. There are people that exploit this. They tell tall tales. Perhaps they even giggle and sip a beer as they read the replies to their story. Maybe they mistake cordial conversation as a belief in their lie.... and maybe you also make the same mistake?

As for the names you dropped ... Greer and Leer - these guys are pretty big names in the UFO field. How do you keep up the momentum? How do you keep your audience? What if you had no new information. Maybe you'd come up with something over the top to get your readers interested again. Is it wrong? Maybe. Maybe in the grand scheme, keeping people interested by whatever means isn't the worst thing that they could do.

Keep in mind also, Jeremy, that not everyone is an impressionable teenager. The Jeremy Valiens Bullsh!t filter is yours. The RebelAngel Bullsh!t filter is mine. My filter is born of 47 years of sifting though poo. After raising four children I think my BSF is adequate.]]> no_email@example.com (RebelAngel) http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16254.html The Aliens are coming.. http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16353.html
The human society currently is perceive as the ‘I’ factor or individual (including 'I's' immediate association) survival by limiting our basic human needs normally access through monetary system (end up as a tool of control of the society). We did progress by technology to better our living condition, but we have not evolve as far yet from industrial stage where competition is a bi-product of monetary and materialistic driven indoctrination, thought by our current society's institutions. As long as humanity stays this way, any progress would only benefit to those in control of society. That’s why ideals of social humanistic environment societies doesn’t appeal to governments and enterprises – they too are product of current society's indoctrinations. Until we progress out of this - where we stop politicise everything to solve our problems (this was also created to control society) - for some reason politics has always find itself to be corruptible, high and low morality all becomes grey - then clean and free source energies,including free access to technologies, and informations would dissipate our current indoctrination. Say instead of couple of corporations or national governments whose purpose is to control and profit influence by this factors in how to use resources, it may become a couple of billion people (intelligence and effort) whose sole aim is to achive to solve a problem may that be cancer, near elimination of crime or wars, poverty, advancing living quality and etch including inter-planetary migration and UFO disclosures to better humanity not to better control society. In short the process of our thinking is base on indoctrination given by our society's institutions – this also dictates the range of thoughts.

Sarcastically, I’m still up for the invasion Very Happy Mr. Green Very Happy - it's a joke]]> no_email@example.com (aussiET) http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16353.html VIDEO: The New World Order's Fake UFO Attack Plan http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16362.html
I must have missed the sign as I came down the birth canal that stated, "Abandon all hope ye who enter here!"

Very Happy Wink

I agree that there may be powers in control of certain things regarding our physical existence here, but do you really think there is absolutely no hope or other spiritually positive possibilities for each of us if we so choose?

I suppose if we could be made to believe that, then it could easily become self-fulfilling.

Edit to add:

BTW Phoenix, thanks for the link. Very interesting and something to keep in mind.]]> no_email@example.com (Sojourner) http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16362.html Close your eyes and what do you see? http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16328.html )

And about three or four times in my life when I've had a huge hacking cough I see extremely bright but extremely, extremely tiny lights fly by very quickly as if they were passing through me. They appear and zoom by then disappear. They go through objects and even myself. But this effect only last probably 10-15 seconds. I have to realllllllly be in a bad shape for that to happen though so it hasn't happened often.

It used to be quite annoying to see my bloodcells (at least I think they are from what I've seen in pictures and a microscope) during the day but as I grew older I really don't care.


Edit: Would help if I looked at the wiki posted eh? Thank you for that. That clears up a lot]]> no_email@example.com (Lucian) http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16328.html I'm a Timelord http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16307.html
valiens wrote:
"Besides, in this reality, a Fact is not exactly a fact. It seems all things can be altered through mere changes in perception ...or time."

Is there a reality where a fact is exactly a fact, and if so, can I change that by change of perception too?

did you just blow your own mind? amazing. or maybe it was just cynicism. regardless, who am I to answer that, and who are you to even ask?]]> no_email@example.com (marcolepsy) http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16307.html Yet another abductee http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16342.html no_email@example.com (Dannerz) http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16342.html Some consequences from this being a virtual reality http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16320.html
THoTH wrote:
Uncertain as to what you mean about the end being tenuous, the idea that it is difficult to disprove?

Clarification about the word "end". The contextual meaning of this word apparently became lost because we crossed posts, timewise. (My fault, I spent too much time looking for the photo of the UFO.) So one way to restore the contextual meaning would be to restore the posts to the order they should have had, timewise.

You first wrote:
THoTH wrote:
{snipped}Last point first, if the idea were to become widespread, it could be seen as a 'virus' which would alter the 'reality' construct, to what end can only be guessed at. This process being similar to spiritual "enlightenment" and all that entails. Recognition, being the first step.
{emphasis added in bold}

Then I wrote (out of sequence):
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Please pardon. I became too focused on finding an example of the photo, and therefore neglected to reply to this post, although it deserves a reply. To begin, the end also seems tenous to me. {snipped}


From this restoration into the proper time sequence, we discover that the contextual meaning of the word "end" was "goal", or "objective". So the meaning of the clause as a whole was, "Last point first, if the idea were to become widespread, it could be seen as a 'virus' which would alter the 'reality' construct, to what purpose can only be guessed at.[/quote]

Now that we have re-established the contextual meaning of the word "end" to be "purpose", let me proceed to answer your comment by saying that although it's true that a casual reader of the message, which seems to have been provided by the originator of all originators (OO), would have to guess about the purpose of now spreading the idea that we live in a VR, it's also true that a person who solved the riddle, which was formed by the message, would realize what the purpose was. This would be true because part of the solution mentions that specific topic. But I should not reveal that purpose for several reasons. One reason is that I should not be a "spoiler" for those who want to solve the riddle for themselves. So I hope that you will pardon me for not publically mentioning the purpose. Smile Unfortunately, a comment like that provides an opportunity for somebody to say, "Aw, you don't know what the purpose is. You're just pretending that you know, so you can pretend to be a hot-shot riddle solver." Hm. What could I do to prevent that? Should I pretend that I don't know what I know? Should I not make the comment in the first place? But if I don't assure people that the riddle can be solved, some might not try, or try and then give up, saying, "Aw, this is just a big mess. I'll never get to the bottom of this because there is no bottom. It just goes on forever." As somebody Smile mentioned, there are two mistakes to searching for truth. One is not starting, and the other is stopping. Yes, but in between those two is a third which is making a wrong turn into a blind alley. The trick is to know when it's a blind alley and when it has a secret door. So I'm telling everybody up front, there's a door and a doorbell in this one; so keep on keeping on.

Moving on to another point of yours, I wrote:
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Hm. If we are characters in a VR, then it would seem as though our ability could be varied? Just to be extreme, for the benefit of illustrating a point, would it be impossible to endow us with an IQ of 50 Peta?


To which you replied:
THoTH wrote:
If I knew what that meant, I'd answer Smile I agree it could be varied, but to what end?

Excuse me. I could and should have been more clear. I should have said, "endow us with an IQ of 2,000" instead of using the fantastic, and therefore incomprehensible hyperpole "of Peta". As to what end, or to what purpose, again, I don't want to be a "spoiler". So let me merely say that a promise has been made that everything will be explained to us. One of the implications of such a promise is that we will understand the explanation, yes? If that's true, then it would logically follow that if it were necessary to increase our intelligence for us to understand, then that would happen, yes?

Moving on to your next point, I wrote:
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But from personal conversations with several people, who do adhere to a religion which teaches that this reality was created, I am willing to say that it is not yet widely realized among such people that this, being a creation, is therefore probably an artificial reality. To the extent that's the case, such people might have to make a larger adjustment in their worldview than would, say, a gamer, if it were to be shown, ala Bostrom and Whitworth, that this is a virtual reality?


To which you replied:
THoTH wrote:
It could be construed as a creation of a virtual reality, but in terms of it being artificial hmm.. the concept of a supreme being creating everything would be natural to that being presumably? I don't think we can apply what we consider natural to a scenario like that, maybe I'm wrong though? I think if it were conclusively proven to be the case, yes people would have a lot of adjusting, but then again, they wouldn't be doing the adjusting, that'd be down to the parameters of the PM?

Although all of these points are first-rate, I have to beg off from replying in order to avoid being a spoiler, except for your point about "if it were conclusively proven". Ah yes. That sounds delightful; and of course, time will indeed do exactly that. The fly in that ointment is that time won't do it sufficiently soon to prevent anybody being required to act without knowing for certain. I therefore do believe that you have pointed your finger at the exact center of the topic of "faith". However, I must admit that it is easier for me to have faith after I made some progress in solving the riddle. After all, the mere existence of the riddle is evidence in support of the idea that there is an OO. Did I hear a few snickers? Did I hear somebody say, "Oh yeah. Right. Listen, you made up that riddle just to fool people." Ha! Got you! I showed my work, every step of the way. There is no word of the riddle which was invented by me. I show where every single word of it came from, and it's a historical fact that every one of those words was written long before I was born. For that matter, before my parents were born either. But notwithstanding that, it's still a fact - there's wiggle room to disbelieve it.

As for disbelief, It is well known that it once was said, "...separate the wheat from the chaff..." How is that to be accomplished, if not by belief and disbelief, respectively?

Of course, it must be said that a lot of people believe this or that; so there must be more to it than merely believing whatever, yes? It is therefore probably to this need to heed what one believes that a portion reads, "Take care what you hear", yes? If that were to be true, then how might we best do that? It seems that a portion of the message addressed this topic by saying, "Seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened, ask and you shall receive." Hm. But seek where? Knock on what door? Ask for what? The solution to the riddle provides answers for all of these questions, and more.

Wait, did I hear somebody say, "It's not fair that we have to solve the riddle!" Even if it were to be true that it were not fair, so what? Like, if there really were to be an OO, would what we think is fair, over-rule such an entity? Yeah, right<sarcasm>.

Moving along to you next point, I wrote:
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I had not thought to attempt to construct a disproof; but now that you mention it, I see that you are probably right to say that it would be impossible to disprove it. One consequence of you being right about this would be that the idea, of this being a virtual reality, would therefore likely continue to permeate society, here and elsewhere. As to the consequences, the exampe of Japan is encouraging because they seem to be much further along the road to awareness of VRs than the US; but their society has not crashed and burned, as the saying goes. Or am I mistaken about the condition of their society?


To which you replied:
THoTH wrote:
I couldn't say what condition their society is in really, I know that technology in various parts has had a detrimental long term effect in terms of depression, and related ills. However, that culture is so different I can't say much more. In terms of being able to disprove, or the inability to, that would cause the idea to permeate, and movies like the matrix et al, amplify those ideas. Not saying that's right or wrong, but I think it's a widely known notion.

I don't know if it's been asked, but if this is virtual, then there must be something outside of that the PM, and couldn't that go on forever, the PM being virtual to something else etc? One other is how big must this system be to incorporate the universe and all it's workings? {snipped}

As to something being outside of a PM, that depends on which PM is being mentioned. If it were to be a PM who originates a VR which is nested inside another, for instance, the VR in which all others are nested, then yes, there is something "outside" of such a PM. On the other hand, if the PM were to be the OO, then no, there isn't anything "outside" of that PM. How do I know? Good question. I know because a portion of the message, which I believe is from the OO, reads, "I am." Another portion of that message mentions that everything in that message is in the form of a comparison because it is intended for public consumption. If that's true, then the statement which reads, "I am" is not merely a statement; it is also part of a comparison, yes?. If it's part of a comparison, then, it is the explicit half of a comparison, yes?. If the implicit half were to be written, then it would read, "Nothing else is", because the one half of a contrast can always be constructed from the other half, yes? Hm. If it's true that "Nothing else is", then the OO has no environment, yes? Furthermore, if the OO has no environment, then everything other than the OO is imagined by the OO, there being nobody or nothing else to imagine it, yes?

As to the size needed for a VR, if space were to be imaginary, then as much of it could be imagined as were needed, yes? The neat aspect of that is that imaginary space takes up zero room, yes?]]> no_email@example.com (heretic5) http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16320.html My species [a reply] http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16021.html
Prophmaji wrote:

All I can gather from the perceived response to some of my ramblings here on this forum, that even here, such things, such thoughts and utterances are not deemed to be either cogent or realistic. I will fade way into the backdrop, as before, and continue on my way. My impression has always been that I'm not supposed to really even exist in this realm-with regards to the human consciousness in general and the specific. Therefore, I won't. Back into darkness, I suppose. Only human. Like anyone else. Which, apparently, is the whole point for this specific ride. I'll come to the forum every now and then, but I won't say much, or involve myself much. I will speak on these subjects no more.


Any time anyone posts something on the internet as 'out-of-the-ordinary' as what you've posted, people are going to question it, and question if it's realistic. That's just what people do, especially in regards to weird stuff. Smile]]> no_email@example.com (LadyOruall) http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-16021.html Channeling: Message about Time, Orionions, Creation of Man http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-15615.html
Also I'd like to say I am very happy for you, finding out what you are and getting answers. Very Happy]]> no_email@example.com (Animal_Gurl) http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-15615.html