The Book Of THoTH

Holy cow dude! Where have you been with this stuff before?

Did you write this? This is an excellent article. It all sounds very interesting after a perfunctory look, and there'll be nothing for it but to sit back and give it a good and deep read. This may take a while, as I'm currently reading thirty other things, but I just wanted to let you know I'm on it. You shall hear from our people soon

My best,
Sol

Right on. You certainly did your homework, Chi.

People, heed Chi's words. They speak volumes of the actual world around you. Every word makes perfect sense to me. Blind devotion. Old habits. Wishful thinking. Denial. Lucky charms. Luck. Cults.

The reason I read this is because I am a positive thinker. But not blindly. I know I have to work hard in order to survive & prosper. I know people do get inheritances. My great uncle died a few years ago with over $180,000 to be doled out to some family members.

I am a positive thinker but I don't push everything else aside. I face each challenge as it comes along & am sometimes ready for it due to past mistakes. I have to take the bad with the good.

I am a positive thinker but I don't insist my way is the only way. I enjoy learning. I like to be able to handle situations in different ways just in case the initial one isn't up to par.

I am a positive thinker but I don't expect things to go my way without my influence. I would be happy if they did but?

I am a positive thinker but I know I make errors in action & judgement like everyone else does. I try not to make mistakes but I don't blame others (unless someone runs me over while I am following the traffic laws & the like).

I am a positive thinker but I don't rely on special objects to help me. I've tried it before. Most people have. I keep objects as mementos. I have a solid iron ball about the size of a golf ball that I stepped on & almost fell 10 feet onto a concrete walkway. That was in '95. I also have some nicer items though.

I am a positive thinker but I don't attribute my past experiences as either lucky or unlucky. I will not rely on it for my future either. I'll take advantage of any opportunity when it comes along. I'm always on the lookout for opportunities. I won't pass up one in order to get another.

I am a positive thinker BUT i will NOT tolerate the presence of a cult if possible. I won't point any fingers right now as we've dealt with that one. The only group influence is on a job or out with my friends on the weekend.

Chi, I can be a positive thinker. So can others. I've talked on this many times & you have put some excellent points across. If you notice something odd or not to be true, please let me know. I am posting these words to help, if I can, shed a little light on subjects. I want people to know that there is more for them out there if they strive for it. It may not be exactly what you want but at least you put some effort into it. Correct me if need be. As long as it will help.

Nice article Chi.

Sorry I posted that in haste, its not all my writing...I will ammend it.

The idea that the LOA is a Universal Law, means that it is true all the time. If that is the case, then we live in a just world, where everyone always gets what they deserve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_World_Hypothesis

This is one of the main aspects of the LOA stuff that I take objection too.

The other, is this:

"The Secret" tells you that positive thinking will fulfill your desires. But from a Spiritual perspective, can you distinguish between an ego-based desire and an objective that originates in your primordial self? You have to be able to make that distinction. Desiring material goods and trying to use the law of attraction to get them, for your own pleasure because you desire expensive/nice things, or whatever, does not really seem like a spiritual motivation, right? You would still be looking to material things as a source of happiness, trying to use spiritual, energetic concepts to fulfill base desires. It seems like the ultimate form of insanity to me.

In my opinion, this is the type of thinking that the "so-called" Elite love to engage in, because it completely justifies thier actions, and their very existence as the established power. It plays right into their social darwinism, that they have all they do because they are such wonderfully "Attractive" people who deserve everything they have, including thier "divine right" to treat others the way they do. After all, the people who end up maimed, killed and enslaved "attracted their fate".
To say it is a Univeral Law is to say there are no victims, period.

They would love everyone to believe that.

Trent:
Don't be mistaken in thinking I am telling people not to think positively, rather I am asking people to keep in mind the demonstratable cognitive biases human beings exhibit, and be honest with yourselves.

Quite a few views since I last posted, no one has said anything yet....
Did I kill this topic?

Nah, I like the artwork though.

I see this as a chance to show that positive thinking is a good thing. These people who come out & say they have found the way is money oriented. Something like a cult but more to use a person's desire to find a quick fix in order to "attract" their money.

I say a quick fix or 2 will be welcome by me. The point is that if you think positively you will be keeping an eye open for that quick fix. Find out what it is that could help make your life easier.

This law of attraction means a little something different than the law proposed by this group. My interpretation of that law is people will respond in kind. You can try to do something nice out of the blue when the chance arises. If you couldn't, there's always tomorrow. It certainly won't cause any damage.

The thing I stress is you will not get what you feel you deserve unless you work at it. When you earn what you own you do feel a helluva lot better about that & will cherish it more.

We will have downfalls & traps ahead of us. We face these challenges & feel even better about your life due to the effort you put into it.

To me all of this & more is positive thinking. Thinking about a positive future can make the present a little better.

If you want a difficult road, just do the opposite. Actually, please don't.

No you didn't kill the thread and I agree with you on alot of it, if not most. I just haven't been able to say all I want due to time and not knowing how to put words together cause this all pisses me off so.

I've had feelings about this since it all came out and I saw the vids. Part of me says, wow! how cool. Then the other part of me says wait a minute, this can't be all right.

THEN! Watching the Larry King thing, seeing them interact with each other ( hadn't watched them before I posted them ) Watching the bits of their rantings and ravings in there lectures. It's like watching a bible thumping temporance meeting. I can honestly say I don't adhere to anything like that. Turns me off in a heart beat. Maybe it works for them and like you say for the elite, but I don't want anything to do with it.

SO! I'm taking the bits I like and try to think positive, not get upset about things I can't change. If something horrible happens like family getting hurt or dieing I'm not going to NOT get upset!

Like my circumstance now. I could just get all upset and just become insane, pissed and whatever. But, it takes patience, all that would not help my circumstance. Things will turn again. I will hope and think good thoughts. Appreciating what you have is very important. Patience is key.

Thinking your gonna get a huge check in the mail or your gonna have riches untold and become a corperate CEO is just a bit much. Like the telemarketing scams that are out now. It's sad, but I do think it's a scam of sorts. There's no way this can happen to all that do it. It's not possible. IMHO.

All you can do is try to be as good person and do the best you can. None of this is magic.

Well Chi, you certainly got me thinking about this one. Took me a while to put this together as you can see, hehe.

Those are some very thought-provoking quotes about the Cognitive Biases and the Cult Mentality. They speak of semantic language manipulation and NLP, what I just got done writing about, hehe. My issue with the people who wrote the Wiki articles, is that they can loosely all be classed with the "debunker crowd" - they think about things from a Materialistic perspective, which works hard to deny anything "magic". And yet I know that enough "magic" exists in everyone's life to make it interesting, and even such stalwart "atheist" scientists as Isaac Asimov made note of this point.

But I think I understand exactly what bothers you about "The Secret" and the system it promulgates.



That's beatutiful man, and you've expressed my own problem with this thing much better than I've managed. That's exactly it, they stress the Material angle of this system too much, and point out all the physical riches and goods you can "get" with it. Then they show all those smiling and content faces of people who've "made it", so you can see how happy those things can make you. This is exactly what TV advertising does too, and I feel it's a total perversion of the LOA principle.

I also see what you're saying about the "Just World Hypothesis", and the rich promoting a system where people are made to feel that everybody "gets what they deserve." This is of course a deep philosophical question, because this is an ancient historical doctrine, which you can find present in such unrelated things as the Protestant Work Ethic or the Indian Caste System. There is much to be said spiritually about being content with your position in the world, even if it's on the bottom of the scale. "The Secret" does make this point too, but their fault is in the emphasis they place on the need to increase your riches and improve your position.

As I say, I have been able to incorporate the system proposed by this movie into my own life many years ago, so I know that it works. My material demands on "the flow" have been very modest - but they have all been met, everything I've ever wanted. But I second everything Trent wrote in his posting, about needing to temper any reliance on this method with a great deal of understanding about related things. It is indeed vital to control our "ego-based desires", otherwise they begin to control us.

By the way, I think I've found the origin of this doctrine in modern times. It was started over a hundred years ago by a man named Wallace D. Wattles, who wrote "The Science of Getting Rich":
"There is a science of getting rich, and it is an exact science, like algebra or arithmetic. There are certain laws which govern the process of acquiring riches, and once these laws are learned and obeyed by anyone, that person will get rich with mathematical certainty."

I chanced on a summary of this book a couple of decades ago, under the title "Financial Success". I realized right away that the method it propses is how the Universe really works, except I saw it has the power to trap me firmly in the Material World, so I concentrated on spiritual riches and not material ones, and have been amply rewarded. So that would be the recommended key to Success

Cheers,
Sol

True enough, although, their opinions are based on often accurate observations of human behavior. I certainly do not adopt their perspectice, but I do have a scientific approach to the concept of "magic". People can directly influence a portion of their reality, but there are forces at work far and beyond anything that can be exerted by an individual or even humanity collectively. This needs to be understood.
Failing to do so is one of the reasons that people who buy into this (and I know having spoken to many of them) do adopt the Just World Hypothesis based on the LOA.
Its a technique, not the "most powerful law in the universe".
People who use it also tend to rely on judgement calls of "positive and negative" which are entirely subjective for the most part, aside from basic social programming, and the ones they tell you are positive and negative.

The entire concept of "wealth" = possessions is one aspect of this.
We have a class of people in our world who print the money.
The "Economy" is largely and illusion of thier control, to the best extent they can manage. Their establishment of this hierachical system is not because they are wonderfully attractive people who deserve it more than "the rest of us".
They didn't obtain it by "magic" alone, either. Lots of death and destruction of lives and the planet its self. For what?
The Illusion of Control.

The Illusion of Control, I totally agree with this one.

And, Chi, you did not kill the thread

Very interesting post and I do resonate with your point of view in many

aspects.