Scapini's Medieval Deck. He was highered to replicate the Visconti deck (which is the oldest known deck I believe). A Beautiful deck !
Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:47 am
NaturalMystik Oracle
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:39 am
Anyone used the HP Lovecraft deck? I thought it was kinda neat...
So here's a question... Perhaps this is relevant to all divination in general. How does it work? Big question I know... Let me see if I can explain a little better...
You take a tarot deck, and lay the cards out for someone, and the cards will fall where they may. But lets say you don't know the meaning of some of the cards so you look them up. And somebody somewhere assigned some sort of meaning to those cards, and voila there is the answer. But if you didn't know the meaning of the card in the first place, then how could it mean anything? How does the card know that someone on the internet says it's supposed to mean X.
Does that even make any sense?
Has anyone used regular playing cards for Tarot? I tried this once, using the 7 fates spread. Then I looked up the meaning of each card that I had dealt out. I was pretty scared by some of the messages I was seeing. (I actually did it twice, the first time I layed the cards out in the wrong order.) Because I had to look up the meaning of all the cards, I'm really not sure how much validity they could have had. But I found it very interesting that I got similar results on both attempts, even though one time I did it 'wrong'. Is there really a wrong though?
The reason I tried this in the first place is because I've always had really good 'luck' with card games, and thought playing cards could be a good tool for me. Unfortunatley I'm horrible with numbers and I don't think I could ever remember all the meanings for the cards. So maybe 'standard' tarot would be better for me to try. I'd probably have better luck relating to images.
Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:39 am
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:52 am
The cards are just tools, imo. Dead pasteboard. It's the reader that does the work; all the cards are is a vehicle for the intuitive subconscious to use to "surface" the information from the esp/psi/mystical input channels in a form that the conscious mind can grasp.
All that really counts is that the symbology of the tool be suited to the user's intuitive nature and that the symbol set be either ambiguoous (sp) or complex enough to allow ample room for the information to be fitted into acceptable form.
Tiger
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Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:52 am
BaronSamedi Pyramid Level I
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:32 am
The Holy Tarocchi are tools yes, but they are so much more . . .
"On our plane of ordinary experience, symbols are merely arbitrary representations of an inner, intelligible significance. They are the visible signatures of a metaphysical or a spiritual grace, as it were. In the Astral light, however, these symbols assume independent existence revealing their tangible reality, and hence they are of the utmost importance."
. . . . Israel Regardie
Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:32 am
SZC Seeker
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:11 pm
I have the Thoth deck, the Golden Dawn Magical Tarot, the Robin Wood deck and the Builders of the Adytum Tarot. I don't use my cards for fortune-telling, but as meditative tools. As I understand it, these cards are designed to activate latent archetypes within one's psyche.
Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:11 pm
Poppy Numen
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:31 pm
Last year I was involved in a group meditation where a Tarot card was drawn each week by our leader as a point of focus. This worked out very well.
I sometimes would supplement this with by throwing an I Ching hexagram; the correlation was amazing.
Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:31 pm
NaturalMystik Oracle
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:30 pm
Hey now....
Tarot cards, as meditative tools. This I find really interesting? Is their any where I can read more about this? Some decks are pretty than others for this purpose?
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:30 pm
SZC Seeker
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:12 pm
CyberHippie wrote:
Tarot cards, as meditative tools. This I find really interesting? Is their any where I can read more about this? Some decks are pretty than others for this purpose?
Don't know of any sources in particular. Many western occult traditions view Tarot primarily as a meditative device, fortune-telling being a modernized, exoteric adaption. The Golden Dawn Magical Tarot comes with a nice little booklet that outlines the western use of Tarot. I believe the booklet is adapted from the book Self-Initiation into the Golden Dawn Tradition by the Ciceros, so perhaps any Golden Dawn or hermetic book that touches on the Tarot would be a fine place to start. Also anything by Paul Foster Case. A survey of the Western Mystery Tradition in general might also yield some pertinent info. The art of Googlemancy should produce some good reading material.
L. V. X.,
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:12 pm
BaronSamedi Pyramid Level I
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:08 am
Aleister Crowley's 'Book of Thoth'
Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:08 am
BaronSamedi Pyramid Level I
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:18 am
The Holy Tarot are not just tools, dead paper.
They are our connection, through symbolism to the aether. To which is where all the laws of Mysticism have been recorded and this information past, present and future is channeled through the Dead (Necromancy) and delivered to us.
Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:18 am
prettygrewsome Pyramid Level II
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:25 am
I think I'm a fluffie!!
I bought some tarot cards when I was about twenty - I've still got them but I haven't used them for years.
I did a reading for a friend, I'd told him I wasn't 'very good' at it and that I'd need the book to help with some of the translation of the cards.... and throughout the course of the evening, I did a reading for him.
I didn't see him for about six - twelve months after that, as he was working away. He rang me to ask if I could meet him. It transpired that since the reading - He'd lost his mother and his brother. His work life had improved and he told me IHO I'd been so accurate with the reading that it had totally freaked him out and in turn I was really worried by it.
Maybe one day, I'll start studying and reading them again, but at the moment I seem to be so busy with everything, I don't seem to have time....and I'm not even working
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Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:25 am
wrenjen Seeker
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:37 pm
Tarot of the Old Path, great artwork but probably a bit on the fluffy side! Oh well.
Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:37 pm
StrangeRanger Seeker
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:28 am
Crowley-Thoth, Ceremonial Magick Tarot, and the Enochian deck.
Don't use any of them very much though....more of an I Ching kind of guy....
peace,
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:28 am
NaturalMystik Oracle
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:18 pm
I was very excited to get an unexpected gift card and went right out and picked up my first tarot deck. I got the Necronomicon deck. A little dark, but I'm a big Lovecraft fan, so thought the cards might resonate for me. Unfortunately many of the cards were damaged due to a printing problem. Disappointing. And they did not have any more of those decks left. So I ended up getting the Guilded Tarot. It's pretty nice and the images are pretty cool to look at. I take it as a sign that I wasn't meant to use the Necronomicon deck, at least for now.
I can't wait to learn more about tarot. For now I'll be trying to figure out how I can use the cards for meditation.
Fun stuff!
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Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:18 pm
NaturalMystik Oracle
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:15 am
Before meditation I've been shuffling and pulling a card at random, to look up the meaning, and meditate on it. I gotta say the cards are already talking to me and predicting the future. Quite something really...
I think these cards are going to prove very useful and perhaps they will be of help to others to.
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Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:15 am
Kalidas Seeker
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:36 am
WhiteTiger wrote:
ambiguoous (sp)
Did you mean: ambiguous
Google is a useful spell check device, in case you hadn't heard.
I also have a Necronomicon deck. The Donald Tyson one, in case there are others. I mostly like to just look at the paintings, as they are very surreal. I suppose I could use them to help conduit some energy from that great hulking Necronomicon thoughtform. Lots energy there. I'm also of a mind to try a conversation with Cthulu himself, thought I've heard he can be quite raving at times. Well, cheerio, no lunatic can match the dry logic of a Brit! Not that I am one. I happen to be a New England Viking. Still, there's never been anything too maniacal for me to handle, I am a crazy Viking. If Odin can hang on a tree for 9 days just to learn his ABC's I can do well for a talk with a lunatic Satan.
Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:36 am
Momma Da Boss's Momma
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:38 am
Perhaps you would like to introduce yourself in the Welcome Forum Kalidas..
As for this statement...
Quote:
Did you mean: ambiguous
Google is a useful spell check device, in case you hadn't heard.
Just a gentle reminder that apparent sarcasm/arrogance does not go down very well here..
Thankyou...Momma..
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Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:38 am
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:27 am
Hey Kalidas, don't be such a smart a$$. We will not tolerate it.
Now be nice. Please.
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