I e-mailed a Christian Mystic asking her if what she taught was similar to Gnostic Christianity.

Rev. Dr. Elizabeth MacDonald Burrows wrote:

there is little, or no similarity. The Gnostic writings are based on first century channeled material, meaning inspired according to the mental capacity of that time. We never encourage our students to read channeled material, but only the teachings of the greatest illumined minds, both present and past. Thus, it is unlikely that we would make the errors that channeled material contains.

her website

http://www.christianmysticism.org/

sorry Joshie, about to go off on a tangent:

so what is better then channeling? the bible?
why does Rev. Dr. Elizabeth MacDonald's crap cost a TON of money?
This is all nonsense imho & i don't trust her.

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The Gnostic writings are based on first century channeled material, meaning inspired according to the mental capacity of that time. We never encourage our students to read channeled material, but only the teachings of the greatest illumined minds, both present and past.

Since when are "channelers" not illumined?
How does she know who WAS illumined? Those whom used power & war to edit the bible are those we should trust?
She makes errors channeling this letter.
She will never be a healer, mage, or diviner...
psh, the audacity to act as though they do not count. I do not believe in her method of divination simply because she thinks it is fake. How is this faith in god? this is egomaniacal.

Gnosticism is like christianity, their is no REAL version because there never was a correct perspective; anything written by humes is flawed.
To say what she says is ethnocentric bias, pure and almost racist.

Also, does she discount St. John the Baptist then? tell me he wasn't channeling, lol.

Ok, now to really get into it...
What is Christian mysticism? Nothing to do with Hebrew so far it would seem (the true roots of magic in christianity, not to mention zoroastrianism & countless other invaded local traditions) so it would seem?

Mystics who worship jesus have done very little translation & lore research imho. To understand the roots of christian mysticism, the magic that the apostles uses as much as moses or abraham or any prophet (thus the real meaning of messiah) and to still attribute all of it to jesus is idolatry & blasphemy. It may be said that Pagans and Jews know more of "christian mysticism" then 99% of christians.

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On June 6th, 1971 at 10:30 A.M., her mind melded with the consciousness of God, containing the mysteries of the universe.

what a load of BS. because one moment of time is more valuable then a lifetime... because enlightenment is instantaneous. This seems like western cristian cult practice, pure and simple.

I personally do not hold her opinion valid.
Gnosticism is as much a part of Christian mysticism as the Hebrew language, or acts of healing. Christianity and Gnosticism are simply the two major sides that split after the death of jesus; there were many, man, MANY other sects just as their still are today. exclusion, as a general rule, makes people sound really dumb to me.

Any "mystic" who so casually tosses aside "channelers" and then has no problem reinterpreting the bible onto hours of audio books that cost hundreds of dollars is a hypocrite; writing IS a form of divination in hebrew. wow people are ignorent.

i'd say study THoTH instead Joshie~
It's free, the people are fiercely honest, & exculsion is a rarity.

Mainly I don't like Dr. Liz cause she immediatly discounts what I would consider my ritual practice as a mystic in this style, also then refuting what I believed the new testament to actually be... but magical manuals (especially in the healing arts) SHOULD be difficult to understand. I do not blame her for having ideas about how it was as much as claiming that she has in fact been "saved / enlightened" and neeeds no further education as a prophet. Sadly, within a few moments of personal confrontation she would barely be able to handle my personal energy, let alone casting or biblical bard songs, and i'm a NOOB. she needs an ego death... maybe i should send HER THoTH. rofl. with all of her travels it is suprizing that her narrow opinion hasn't been romped; she obviously does her inquiries more selectivly then she claims.

There are a million ways to do anything.
no one knows your way accept you.

Inspired/channeled

same difference .. In my ever so humble opinion.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism

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Oneiromancer: Gnosticism is as much a part of Christian mysticism as the Hebrew language, or acts of healing. Christianity and Gnosticism are simply the two major sides that split after the death of jesus; there were many, man, MANY other sects just as their still are today. exclusion, as a general rule, makes people sound really dumb to me.

There were definitely several approaches to the mystical side of Christianity in the early days. Later these gnostic or mystical aspects tended to get downplayed as institutionalized Christianity took over and it became very mainstream where the leaders of the various churches dispensed the truth and the individuals were not encouraged to have transcendent experiences.

For a wonderful rundown on the origins of any of the ideas held in Christianity, Judaism, etc. try reading the following section out of 'The Secret Doctrine' by HP Blavatsky.

Start at Book II Part II : The Archaic Symbolism of the World Religions

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd-hp.htm

This will definitely give you an idea of where and why the current religions started and where they are now.


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I just wanted to point out that esoteric christianity isn't always Gnostic Christianity as many people think and as I once thought.

I like her site, but I wasn't trying to say that her path is the only true Christian path.

Oneiromancer, if you have the ability, maybe you should look into her to see if she is the real deal or not.

Skepticism is always a good thing.

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'When we come to the original basic ideas of alchemy, we find elements that derive from pagan, and more particulary, from Gnostic sources. The roots of Gnosticism do not lie in Christianity at all - it is far truer to say that Christianity was assimilated through Gnosticism.' [Jung]

For what it's worth.

Taken from http://www.world-mysteries.com/PhilipGardiner/forbidden_letters_14.htm

"The Gnostic writings are based on first century channeled material, meaning inspired according to the mental capacity of that time"

This train of thought is absurd: no one can claim that Gnostic scripture is "channeled". The Reverend Dr. Burroughs clearly knows nothing whatsoever about Gnosticism.

I would suggest she (and others interested) begin here:

http://egina.blogspot.com/2006/04/10-things-religious-pundits-need-to.html

Merry Christmas!

Jordan+

jordan wrote:

"The Gnostic writings are based on first century channeled material, meaning inspired according to the mental capacity of that time"

This train of thought is absurd: no one can claim that Gnostic scripture is "channeled". The Reverend Dr. Burroughs clearly knows nothing whatsoever about Gnosticism.

I would suggest she (and others interested) begin here:

http://egina.blogspot.com/2006/04/10-things-religious-pundits-need-to.html

Merry Christmas!

Jordan+

I couldn't agree more...thanks for the link and the post. As you point out on your blog, gnosticism comes from earlier Judaic and Greek sources and was not formed by gnostic Christians post Jesus. They merely borrowed some of it's ideology.