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What is your opinion ? do you believe in vampires?do you like the stories about them?
Here's some legend old myth I came across about the history of Vampires.
The vampire proper originates from European civillization...ancient Greece to begin with. There were numerous bloodthirsty Goddesses in both Roman ang Greek mythology, known as Lamiae, Empusae and Striges. These names eventually evolved into the general terms for Witches,Demons and Vampires. But these Vampires, though they do drink blood, were only Goddesses...not "living Dead", but disembodied divinities capable of taking on human appearances so that they might seduce their victims.During the 11th Century, witches and doctors alike prescribed virgin blood to cure all illnesses. Also during this time, some corpses found intact all over Europe began a huge vampire scare.
Mythology
The first Vampire was Lilith, also the first wife of Adam that she eventually left for Lucifer. In short, the bone of the quarrel was that Lilith would prefer to stand over Adam but God wanted the man to rule. Lilith is also the Queen of Death and Demons. She was and is still adored in almost all religions by magicians, sorcecers and witches.

Anne Rice is a famous author that wrote many books about modern vampires.

All Ricean vampires are related through their blood to Those Who Must Be Kept. These are their original 'parents,' Enkil and Akasha of Egypt, who were attacked by traitors who unwittingly gave a demon entrance into their victims' bodies. This turned these mortals into creatures who could no longer procreate, nor tolerate daylight, and who must take mortal blood to survive. In the course of the Vampire Chronicles, it becomes plain that all vampires are thus interrelated, because when Those Who Must Be Kept are left out in the sunlight by an elder weary of caring for them, all other vampires are burned or destroyed by the transmitted effects of the sunlight upon their parents. And at the end of 'Queen of the Damned' only a cannibalistic ritual act performed by Maharet and Mekare, an echo of the loving ritual they had once set out to perform upon their mother's body, can save the entire population of vampires from death as Akasha herself dies.

Also the science found explications about them:
In 1985 biochemist David Dolphin proposed that the vampires of folklore may actually have been people suffering from porphyria. According to his hypothesis, porphyria victims are extraordinarily sensitive to sunlight. Even mild exposure can cause severe disfigurement. Facial skin may scar, the nose and fingers may fall off, and the lips and gums may become so taut that the teeth project like fangs. To avoid sunlight, people with serious cases of porphyria go out only at night, just like Dracula. Porphyria can be treated with injections of blood products. Centuries ago, porphyria victims might have sought to treat themselves by drinking blood. Garlic contains a chemical that worsens porphyria symptoms, causing sufferers to avoid it. Just like vampires.

There is another extreme photosensitivy disease that is called Xeroderma Pigmentosum, which is worse then all the above in the photosensitivity department. These children and people literally cannot even be exposed to UV light at all because their DNA cannot repair itself after UV damage (we all get DNA damage after UV exposure, but don't suffer due to us getting it repaired). So these people get skin cancer very quickly (like a 2 year old having 17 cancerous tumors...), severe burns (can even be third degree), going blind from light, and retardation from DNA damage.

Is it all just a disease, or is it all simply true?

Other theories
The Fallen Angels Theory

This theory inspired from the Books of Enoch claims that vampires are the offspring of the union between the Watchers (Fallen Angels) and humans. When the Children of the Watchers had consumed all of the food available, they turned to mankind and began to eat their flesh and drink their blood. In another adjunct, vampires are the offspring of the daughters of Eve (female humans) and the Angel of Death sent by God on Earth. Vampires have the mission to control and thwart the demonic offspring of the fallen angels.

The Atlantis Theory

The Atlantans, in their quest to prolong life, have conducted biological and genetic experiments which end result was a new human that could live for centuries but had to drink the blood of humans in order to survive. Vampires have escaped the Great Flood as the Atlantans, not satisfied with the results, had buried them in an underground crypt.

The Alien Vampire Theory

Since H.G. Wells’ "The Flowering of the Strange Orchid" in 1894, there has been many writings and movies exploring the possibility of a space alien taking over a human body in order to live off the life energies of others. Those space aliens are some kind of parasites that control our mind and draw our vital forces. When they have exhausted the body, they look for a new host. In another adjunct, vampires do not come from outter space but from another dimension.

Anyway about them are a lot of stories...also another stories would be about PSI vampires...but I would like to hear your opinions about this subject

There were living people who inspired many vampire stories. Vlad the impaler, and there was also Elizabeth (Erzebet) Bathory.
Bathory was a slavic baroness who, with four accomplices, kidnapped, tortured and killed young women and girls and bathed in their blood to preserve her beauty. We was walled up.

No, I don't think they are litterally real. There are grains of truth to the myths just like any other. There are of course psychic vampires.

Good topic Alinee. I enjoy this topic due to the many world wide phenomena acredited to them. It also makes a good storyline. Shove in a vamopire or two & it starts to get interesting.

I read somewhere a few years ago how the early christians may have helped in the beliefs that they (vampires) lived in catacombs & only went out at night. In the early christian era christians did these things out of fear of persecution. Then there is the custom of bread representing the body of Christ & wine representing the blood. Some took this literally.

IMO the wearing or eating of garlic comes from the fact that ingesting garlic causes a chemical reaction which exudes a chemical which repells mosquitoes, which also drink our blood & carry some very dangerous maladies. Some of which if not understood, their origins are attributed to vampires.

I know there are earlier instances of vampirism being refered to but I think this had a lot to do with the spread of this subject.

Good opinions peoples. After I read the articoles about the porphyria ,I was wondering at the begin when people have so little knowledge,I am thinking about those people that suffered from this disease.

It would be possible that some legend have been inspired by here?

Do you imagine those peoples being discriminated because others think about them has vampires.I feel sorry about them,poor humans .

Hmmmmm....but who knows? A lot of theories and opinions etc etc etc the truth seem so far...
By the other side there are people that claims to be (vamps),others that say that have meet them ,that have talk to them,that have been dreaming them....etc etc and even more, that have been bitten by them(articoles about attacks) etc etc...bla bla and the stories could go on and on like this.

And now the things had evolve and is talking about PSi vampires,the ones that feed with the energy of others,strange ,I dont believe to much in this

Questions and questions... so many questions and so little answers

I thought that lilith left Adam and went to Astaroth? At what point did she become the first vampire? And what different religions openly worshipped Lilith?

The angels you refer to are the Grigori, the Watcher hierachy of angels. They were banished from heaven, but also hell, for screwing around with the woman of the early human race, and their offspring were the Nephilim. They were described more as giants, and that after the flood the Nephilim were all supposed to be killed off (they were the reason there was meant to be a flood), but the Grigori are meant to all be in isolation still on earth.

The lamia you mentioned alinee i think was meant to be a female creature with the upper part of a woman and the lower half from the hips down a snake. It kidnapped children, and drank their blood i think.

Why are psychic vampires so obviously real?

Anne Rice... ... not a fan.

A lot of the "vampire epidemics" occured in and around countries like Serbia. The "epidemic" occured when a person from a town would die, usually by whatever means, and then their friends (but mainly family) would begin to be picked off one by one, each coming down with sickness and complaining of bad dreams... usually of the nature of the original deceased "vampire" attacking them, or sitting on their chest and sucking their blood. AT this stage, the locals would realise something was going on, and would begin digging up the corpses of the deceased victims and the suspected vampire. In several well documented cases such as the Peter Plogjowitz (spelling?) case, they found things along the lines of the corpses showing no sign of decomposition, blood around the lips, etc. Anyway, at this stage the villagers now knew what had to be done, and beheded the bodies and burned the remains, following up with giving them a proper chirstian buriel. Unfortunately, victims still suffereing illness still after the destruction of the vampire would often die from their sickness, even after the death of the vampire.

I havent really heard much about living people being accused of being vampires. Witches, sure, but suspected vampires (like the strigoi) were usually just ostrasiced, or ignored. After death, thats a different story. Someone suspected of being a vampire would be quickly targeted if an epidemic began.

btw most of this is off the top of my head, so i may be innacurate in bits an pieces, but im pretty sure of my info.

Welcome, Azazael, to BoT. This place is wild. Since signing up here my perception of life has been changed from what I thought good to gosh dang better.

I like your way of thinking. See, I can see why different diseases would be associated with the supernatural. With vampirism, the mosquito can easily be the culprit. There are many kinds all over the planet. The females drink blood. They find a main vein or artery & go to town. They're sloppy & lots of times leave some blood around. They are not too picky as t whoo the host may be so diseases can easily be carried from one host on to the next. When the person succumbs or some time when infection sets in there are pronounced puncture wounds which look bigger than they actually are .Someone remembers seeing blood on the victims neck (perfect spot!) & clothes. Uh-oh, there's vampires abound & everyone is terrified & lock windows & doors. The vampires can't get in unless you let them in. A scattered person falls victim, but you can expect that with the crafty vampires, they'll get in somehow. People , I guess, fall prey to his/her charms.

Like I said earlier eating garlic creates a chemical given off by the body which repells mosquitos. Hence, no vampires.

Take a look at rabies & werewolves. This is a zoonosis (disease that transfers to human from animals) which gets real nasty. If not treated within a set time (can't recall right now) death ensues. It is carried by such animals as weasels, rats, & other rodents & canids such as foxes, wolves & dogs. It is usually passed by bite injury & voila. The animal dies with the classic foaming of the mouth & insanity. They've been known to attack & bite themselves unceasingly. The bite victim then goes through very similar symptoms. Yes the foam & uncontrollable movements.

There may be others I guess. As you, Azazael, this just came to me. I knew about the rabies but never looked at it this way.

Anyone share my sentiments in this one. This is just a theory.

That's funny Muffins, you don't believe in physical vampires but you haven't a problem with psychologocal ones.. Truly not making fun of you it's just one of those things that makes me wonder sometimes.. Diechotomies are often intriguing.. By the way your avatar is truly disturbing and I love it...

This is actually a really good topic.. Look back in history and I think it becomes very interesting on how we come up with these myths.. These half truths, stories that are handed down from generation tio generation with a tad bit of ignorance mixed in for good measure.. Look at what leppars used to have to go through becuase of fear and missunderstanding..

Go to Romania and wander up into the carpathian mountains and you will still see the grip that these old myths hold upon the locals..

I believe that Vampires from Folklore of Old Beliefs exists (Draugr, Gyonshi (Chinese Hopping Corpses), Lamia, Vrykolokas, Strigoi, Shtriga, etc) but certainly not the pop culture Vampires created by Capaitlists (Anne Rice/Vampire: The Masquerade) and Christians/Catholics (Dracula,etc)...

Speaking of Dracula, Vlad the Impaler might be still alive according to the local Gypsies in Romania but mabye not as a Vampire...

May just be a good tourist attraction too!?!



My Mum and I both get really bad reactions to mosquito bites and if I scratch at them (can't help it ... feels so good!) I end up with pretty big obvious sores that look like puncture marks. If they were in the right spot ...

Also I remember watching a nature program that showed a swamp where, when the mosquito levels where high enough, the local farmers would find dead cows almost completely drained of blood!

I think they all tie in together, eventhough the story is different, but the base of it is familiar.

The Watchers who were fallen angels, the first fruits. They look human and were fallen because of their descent and was possessed (taken over spiritually) by Spirits. They are immortal but blood thirsty. These watchers were told what to do and their mind was not the 'will' and gave in to the body. They were suppose to watch over mankind but instead supressed and also killed them. They were not suppose to mate with mortal women, but went against universal law (universe). They came unto the women and bore evil children. Children who were beasts (beasts in a sense that these children were selfish, became murderers, rapists, lusting to do evil things from their thought and was manifested).

These Watchers are different from those of what is currently occuring on Earth. The first fruits were the sons of God who came to Earth and defiled it. The last fruits are the sons of God who will correct the first fruits mistakes. Through their light, will gain understanding that they cannot breed with a mortal man or woman but of their own.

The Watchers who descended are locked within the underground of human beings. Those who are initiated at their calling, and can ascend, will release these "parasites". The humans are then set free.

In the spiritual dimension, there is war, as there is also wars on Earth. Depending on the road, some may encounter unspeakable torrent in the dreamstate that can manifest physically. They are bloodthirsty if on the road of the Body. They can possess if on the road of the Spirit.

Some stories of Spirit/God changes over time because of evolution of humanity. It was 73 at some early point in evolution, until the fall.

The theory is that God does want Man to be first. What was first shalll be last and what was last shall be first. In the physical dimension it is Man, and in the spiritual dimension it is the Spirit, 37. However, since above is the universe, and below is the Earth, in geometric structure, the pyramidal is clear over solid. Both in the physical and in the spirit world are then balanced.

im starting to believe alot of stories were inspired from reality at one time. maybe vampires exist in other dimensions..
when i had my schizophrenic breakdown normal people looked like vampires to me. How can my own mind make up those images? I wasn't watching vampires movies all the time. I havent even seen the latest Blade.

Mabye Vampires are actually controlling mankind like cattle...and ofcourse their behind human politics aswell...

Lilith's Dream by Whitley Strieber is a fantastic vampire book. As for whether they exist or not, that's easy: No.

This guy claims he became a vampire after drinking the blood of a fallen angel:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... chnoebelen

Not sure what to make of him, sounds sincere

If i believe in Vampires it's not ala Dracula, but the person who soaks up your energies from a afar, a psychic Vampire.

vampires exsist I know some, not all are bad as percieved in movies, there is different types psychic and physical. some drain physic energy some drain blood either way it still a energy source to them.

No sun does not kill them yes it bothers them, they get sick if do not have the plasma in blood, yes they can be stronger, yes they can affect sexual erousal, no cross doesnt bother them at all, yes stake to heart kills them so does a gun actually they are like any human only have some differences so do get harmed. movies mostly bs yes they do have powers but mostly physic and abilitys to astral easily. depending on the vampire depends if ritual magic of protection affects them and blessed items.

the vampires will be more known in the harvest event some will take side of evil others of good either way it will be a interesting time for all.

peace Adonai bless thee

Other theories
The Fallen Angels Theory

This theory inspired from the Books of Enoch claims that vampires are the offspring of the union between the Watchers (Fallen Angels) and humans. When the Children of the Watchers had consumed all of the food available, they turned to mankind and began to eat their flesh and drink their blood. In another adjunct, vampires are the offspring of the daughters of Eve (female humans) and the Angel of Death sent by God on Earth. Vampires have the mission to control and thwart the demonic offspring of the fallen angels.

The Atlantis Theory

The Atlantans, in their quest to prolong life, have conducted biological and genetic experiments which end result was a new human that could live for centuries but had to drink the blood of humans in order to survive. Vampires have escaped the Great Flood as the Atlantans, not satisfied with the results, had buried them in an underground crypt.

The Alien Vampire Theory

Since H.G. Wells’ "The Flowering of the Strange Orchid" in 1894, there has been many writings and movies exploring the possibility of a space alien taking over a human body in order to live off the life energies of others. Those space aliens are some kind of parasites that control our mind and draw our vital forces. When they have exhausted the body, they look for a new host. In another adjunct, vampires do not come from outter space but from another dimension.

all the theorys you listed are correct that is why there is different types of vampirism, for instance the ones in enoch reincarnate and with it bring the vampirism so they do die like a human...

one last thing there is creatures in exsist which are harmed by sunlight "think of pitch black for examples but also understand it is because they exsist within a pitch black realm" the light would burn there physical shells since they evolved within darkness... they are the things nightmares made of let hope that when crossing happens they dont come to earth with the rest.

peace Adonai bless thee

Could you elaborate please?

In 1994 or 1995 at a UFO conference I met a young woman in Colorado who told me that she has a female friend which is a real vampire and that she lives only from blood.
I believed her but have no proof.
For me is no doubt that vampires exist. There are so many stories about them. What I think is that they could be an alien race or decendents of them.
We have still so much to discover on this planet.

"do vampires exist?" that is a very good question. vampires do exist but they are not what everyone think they are...
the vampires that exist now...have absolutely nothing to do with mythology or stories or books or legends. vampires now are just normal people but they are infected with PPOX ...which means their blood needs things that normal blood has therefor they need to consume blood but not each of them does that...i think they can live on medication also.
there is the other type of vampie who lives ... the goth vampires.. who created fetishes for them...they have a very big imagination and they live by the sentence "fake it till you make it"....they can be dangerous even if they don`t need blood to survive but they pretend they do. what is weird about these guys is that ...they can drink blood....and the stomach of normal people doesn`t accept blood...
then there are the vampires in the Kemetic Order of Aset Ka...which are very dangerous asswell...maybe the most dangerous of all..because these are psychic and sanguiarium too.

Most seem skeptic about vampires existing but not aliens and I have to wonder why. At least when it comes to the so called hybrids/shapeshifting ETs they can blend in with the rest of us, which they should have in common with the vampires, since they were humans to start with. I don't think they look like goths, I think they look like you and me.

When you walk the streets full of people, how can you be sure they are all human or all real? Although most of them probably are human, there could be some occasional ghosts, aliens, vampires too. We never know unless someone decides to confront us like Louis does with the journalist in Interview with the vampire. If any of you happens to read this thread, feel free to come visit me, I would love to meet you and talk to you.

yes...you are right. you can take as an example Lestat also...he looked like a normal guy from a normal metal band...and no one believed he is a real vampire. i am more skeptical concerning aliens than vampires,
i don`t agree that aliens are amongst us....if they were on another planet they could be anything...even bacterias ...even ..we couldn`t know what. but they are not superior to human beings...and if they were they wouldn`t come here.
vampires are human...

About aliens..what make you think that they would not come here?

what makes me think they don`t come here?
well first of all...why does everyone think they know more about earth than we know about them and why are they supposed to be more inteligent...or able to discover what we don`t...i mean we can`t find them...how would they find us. and if we have technology and everything we have here we should realise that you can`t have the same things on every planet. maybe they can`t even breathe..maybe they don`t need water to survive...of course they appeared in different conditions than we did.
why does everyone think they care about earth....let`s face it...it`s all about fiction.
how many people have in mind the same alien face...big eyes and egg`shaped head ...skinny and with a weird skin colour? wasn`t that image created by media? it was.
but here it`s the vampire section not the alien one..so let`s keep it like that.
i know lestat is not real...i was using him as a stereotype.[/u]

Psychic Vampires have not been discussed yet I see.

Information here:
http://www.psivamp.org/types.htm

An informative interview here

i think a lot of people know what the psychic vampires are about.
so what do you guys think?
do they exist? or should there be another sticky with this question?

Regarding the existence of the anthropical vampire this is not true, they do not exist. It is a very fanciful idea and has many uses but it does not truly exist.

Yours in love

Cyblonic Lel

it would be nice if you said more about your oppinion though

No Vampyres do not exist!