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Unless you’ve been living under a rock, which might not be such a bad idea if trying to keep cool during these dog days of summer, you’re undoubtedly aware of the best selling book, ‘The Da Vinci Code’ by author Dan Brown. The work of fiction claims that the famous painting of ‘The Last Supper’ by Leonardo Da Vinci, in fact reveals evidence that Jesus Christ survived the crucifixion. It purports that He, along with his lover Mary Magdalene, carried the bloodline into a lineage of French royalty which might still exist to this day. Brown is currently writing a sequel to the book, rumored to deal with the organizations of Freemasonry and the Yale Skull and Bones society, but only time will tell if it will be as successful as his last work which gave a bit of a black eye to the Catholic Church, and has been surrounded in controversy and exploitative “knock offâ€



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Anyone notice that Coast to Coast AM put this article on their front page hours after I posted it, but instead opted to go with the sensationalised disinfo version of "inverted/superimposed" which has already gotten millions of hits and too much attention?

Just wondering why that is. Do you ever feel like you're simultaneously being ignored and mocked?

I had hoped for this article to have a positive message that the true secret of 'The Last Supper', was that the Gospel of Bartholomew had been removed from the Bible, stating that Hell and the Devil have been bound, and no longer holds power over humankind. Along with the fact that Bartholomew and Jesus might have a closer relationship than previously believed. I could see why the Church would want to keep this a secret, and why these texts were taken out of the Bible around the turn of last century. If you abolish Hell, you've lost a lot of your FEAR based system of control. Is the closing of Hell one of the secrets of "immortality" as portrayed by the Grail mythos?

Personally, I don't see the "woman and child" or "Templar" as claimed by these new theories, but I do clearly see a Grail above the head of the Apostle Bartholomew. Are they trying to hide this fact with other new "revelations" of sensationalist conjecture?

A quick image search reveals that roughly HALF of the images posted around the net contain no object above the head of Bartholomew, while the other half clearly shows an object resting above his form. These come from a variety of scholarly websites, divided about 50/50 down the middle.
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You so correctly point out that there are few sources that we can trust to give the facts without trying to change them for personal benifit. You, ThothMosesIII, are certainly one that I can count on to give an honest opinion. There are also many others here on BoT.


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Thank you Poppy, I appreciate that. I try to cover subjects which interest me, and might interest others, without "spinning" it or opting for far-fetched and highly questionable speculation, when some answers are staring us right in the face. I'm honestly curious if these new "finds" are actually a smokescreen to the Grail image in relation to Bartholomew.

I see absolutely nothing in these new superimposed images, and find it unfortunate that it's already gotten tens of millions of hits and promotions around the web, when there is really no "discovery" to be made. A lot of hype for nothing.

The method of these "new finds" is flawed. I don't claim to have the secret of the Grail in this painting, if it is indeed legitimate, but wish to raise the question as to why Bartholomew might be such a prominent figure. To me, this discovery is more important that inversing/superimposing, and is worthy of further consideration.

That being said, I'm not necessarily a fan of Dan Brown, and think the Da Vinci Code got far too much publicity as well... :roll:



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I certainly agree with you. In fact, although I an an evangelical Christian, I have learned to base much of my belief upon what I experience when possible instead of just what I am told. My usual way of experiencing the metaphysical is through meditation. I find this serves me well in all things metaphysical, including the paranormal.


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That being said, I'm not necessarily a fan of Dan Brown, and think the Da Vinci Code got far too much publicity as well... :roll:


I agree with you.. I think one of the reasons that no one takes people like us seriously is because most people drift to the sensational, and don't actully figure out the little more detailed things. (make sense?) Pictures are easier to look at than a book is to read.

But I have to give Dan Brown a little bit of credit. He made alot of people think about what really going on in the church today. And he also made it possible for people to contemplate that the church 'may' be wrong. The popularity of the church is at an all time low. And I think this is the beginning of the end. The movie and book may have helped that along a little by letting people think outside the box.



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The popularity of the church is at an all time low. And I think this is the beginning of the end. The movie and book may have helped that along a little by letting people think outside the box.


Hey Firey, I can't help but wonder if this "fall" is actually planned from withint the Vatican itself, according to the prophecies of St Malachy. Despite the work of Brown, he still depicts the Pope as a "good guy" and doesn't even mention the Jesuit Order.

Perhaps the are trying to bring about their own "end" in conjunction with a "return of Jesus" from Israel, Mayan/Hindu prophecy, etc, ect.

Heralding a rebirth of the Vatican, under Peter Romanus (reincarnation of St. Peter, or Peter Hans Kolvenbach, Superior General of the Jesuit Order), as an even greater power.....?

"In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End."

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HHmm... :?

I don't know if they could plan it. Not as many people believe in miracles. We all try to use science to explain it all away.

I hope this isn't planned, because for Jesus to return it would mean WWIII in the Middle East as everyone begins the fight for the Temple Mount.

Question>.. Has anyone come up with a date that is the same in all religions and/or prophecies? Some say 2012 others say 2150?

But it is an interesting question you put before me.. thank you!.. I will look into this further.



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But I have to give Dan Brown a little bit of credit. He made alot of people think .......


Agree with you Firey ........ I personally feel that the majority of the book is fiction with bits and pieces of truth hidden here and there.

But to me the importance of the book is in the "side effects" it has had ....... that being the many debates and discussions that it got going. These discussions/debates/arguments are good in that they get us all hearing and thinking and exploring different opinions and possibilities. Gets the old grey stuff going again :D

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Perhaps the are trying to bring about their own "end" in conjunction with a "return of Jesus" from Israel, Mayan/Hindu prophecy, etc, ect.


Wouldn't surprise me in the least ....... also wouldn't have to keep the "The Greatest Secret"/lie going any more.

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Heralding a rebirth of the Vatican, under Peter Romanus (reincarnation of St. Peter, or Peter Hans Kolvenbach, Superior General of the Jesuit Order), as an even greater power.....?


Jesuits to elect new 'black pope' in 2008
The superior general of the Jesuits, Dutch Fr Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, has informed members of the Society that he intends to step down in 2008, the year he will turn 80.

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I don't know if they could plan it. Not as many people believe in miracles. We all try to use science to explain it all away.


Well, it woudn't really be a miracle anyway, but careful planning on the church's part. If St. Malacy has supposedly 'predicted' the last 100 Popes in succession, it would seem obvious that the Church has manipulated these prophecies in order to MAKE them come true. If they've gone by the last 99 Popes according to these prophecies, it would seem that they would finish out the lineage with the 100th, Peter the Roman.

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Jesuits to elect new 'black pope' in 2008
The superior general of the Jesuits, Dutch Fr Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, has informed members of the Society that he intends to step down in 2008, the year he will turn 80.


Which means one of two things, we've got less than a year to see what happens with the prophecies of Malachy, or, alternately, Kolvenbach ISN'T going to step down. There are already a rumors that he's in fact going to keep his seat and this "stepping down" talk was a way to try and divert some attention away from the Jesuit Order.

If Kolvenbach does step down, more than a few researchers believe that this man will take his place as the frontrunner.

Fr. Elias Royon Lara, S.J, current provincial for Spain.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=5920

Spain is the headquarters for both the Jesuits and Opus Dei, and has a very long and distinguished history when speaking of "secret societies".



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I have a question which may explain how the Malachy Prophecy is coming to be true.

Don't Pope's get to choose there own name after they are crowned? I mean if you could change you name and embellish your creditials, even you and I could make something of ours matchs the list of names.. no?

And we still have to wait for that Peter fellow to show up..

Does this Prophecy also include the Rapture? Or does it go hand in hand with it?

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I believe in some cases you're very correct, Firey. Many Popes do choose their title, and this might be in conjunction with the Malachy prophecies (which act as a point of "mystical" unity within the Church, giving them a shared goal and timeline of fulfillment). For these individuals to even get into the position of being a Pope, other factors, perhaps within the Jesuits, perhaps higher up still, would need to bring these men into position in the first place...

Benedict, as prophecied by Malachy, chose his name from the Benedictine Order. The Benedictine would appear to be popular within Anglican Church, Ecclesial practices and stricter forms of Roman Catholicism as well. Another unifying principle. It was also based upon Latin Rite, which might be one of the main reasons Pope Ratzinger has recently sought to reinstate Catholic Mass in Latin.

RATZINGER APPEARS TO FULFILL MALACHY PROPHECY
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As far as I know, the Malachy prophecies do not speak of "Rapture". It ends with a great persecution of the Catholic Church, near total destruction, and a "new age" heralded under "Peter the Roman". Believed by many to be a reincarnation of Peter the Apostle, upon which the Vatican is built. The ROCK OF PETER.



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Check this site out.. not sure if this is gibberish. But I tried to read it, and am having difficulty understanding what it all means. But this is how I connected the Rapture with the last pope..

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http://www.jpdawson.com/lastpope.html



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http://www.catholicplanet.com/future/map.htm

Here is another article that connects the two.



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Very interesting. Though of course, much of this is based on personal speculations, myself included. The only thing we know for certain is that there's something major behind the teachings of Malachy according to Vatican/Pope "prophecy". Likewise, Peter Kolvenbach might be directly connected to "Peter the Roman".

I'm still not sure how thoughts on "rapture" come into play, but if Pat Robertson is going to be there, I'm not sure I'd want to go anyway... :pray:



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LOL.. you can come over to my place.. we'll have a BBQ and blissfully ignore the world ending around us..



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I'm still not sure how thoughts on "rapture" come into play .....


That's all the literal Rapture is ........ thoughts.

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....... but if Pat Robertson is going to be there, I'm not sure I'd want to go anyway... :pray:


Even scarier than Pat Robertson is Billy Graham.



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Hi - I finally managed to find time to read through this piece, and it's a great compilation T.

The Bartholomew Gospel is a fascinating read - and I especially like their "demonology", which appears to differentiate between the Devil, "Hell", and Beelzebub (Lord of the Flies). This would appear to place it in a somewhat later era than 2nd C though, as I think these distinctions arose later. Jesus battle with the Forces of Darkness and Bartholomew's control of the Devil are also very poignant reminders for a modern-day Grail quester.

It should be noted however, that the "Grail over Bartholomew's head" in Leonardo's Last Supper was discovered a few years ago already by researcher Gary Phillips - and it did not by any means go unnoticed, as several others had used it in their own subsequent theories. A notable mention in this regard is Peter Novak of Division Theory, who likens the image of the "Bartholomew Grail" to the famous "rod and reel" image from the Shamash Stela. See images below.


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All this warrants a much deeper look. And your aptly pointed out connection with the most curious skin on Michelangelo's "Judgement", as well as the famed St. Barholomew's Night and the routing of the Huguenots also definitely demands further study, as it must be significant in the Overall Story somehow.

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Thank you for the feedback, links and info Solaris. I do seem to recall running across some of that Gary Phillips evidence while writing the article, but for the most part, this topic has been buried. Myself and a couple others started talking about the Bartholomew connections a few weeks before the new "Revelations" emerged, and after seeing how sensational and widely spread these new "finds" on the Last Supper were, I honestly began to wonder if it was an attempt to cover up more important possibilities within Da Vinci's painting. Added to the Michelangelo Last Judgement, there would definitely appear to be something more to the figure of Bartholomew and his connection to Jesus and the Bible (in a mythological/folklore sense).

And a positive message to boot! It's so rare that there's actually an optimistic and non-elitist conclusion to information such as this. It's rare that I personally get to come to such a "happy ending" when doing research. And, you know, Bart Simpson, I felt the time was right to write this piece.... :roll:

I only hope it can bring a little more attention and discussion to these topics.

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