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Diabetes or diabetes mellitus is a result of inability of pancreas to produce insulin or to use it in a proper way thus resulting in excessive quantity of sugar in blood and urine.It is distinguished by symptoms like excessive thirst, frequent urination accompanied by weight loss and is infamously known as "silent killer" .

Globally it affects 240 million people and US alone has 7% of this share of people suffering from diabetes.

Diabetes can be broadly classified into type 1 and type 2 diabetes. Type 1 diabetes requires regular administration of insulin and is generally found in people suffering from obesity or with family diabetic history. Type 2 diabetes generally occurs in people above 40 yrs and there is production of insulin but the body cells become insensitive towards this.

If untreated diabetes can lead to various complications like hypoglacemia, renal failure, nervous damage and can even lead to impotence.

Commonly used herbs in the treatment of diabetes

1. Bitter Gourd

2. Garlic

3. Neem

4. Jamun

5. Onion

6. Turmeric

7. Cinnamom

I would recommend people seeking out medical advice from a professional practioner before attempting to go down the self "cure" avenue.

Currently as it stands, there is no cure for diabetes.

Batty

If left untreated it will definately not cause what you claim!!! In fact the total opposite condition would occur. HYPERGLYCEMIA

I am sick of all the snake oil salesman coming peddling their wares. Show me proof, cure me,I have had diabetes for 40 yrs.I know the only thing you are peddling here is death for those that listen to you.There is no cure for diabetes, only management!!

Way to go Thelma and Goober. A case in point where application of the hob nailed boots is approppriate.

Methinks the title of this thread needs the first word deleting....PRONTO......

Thanks for changing it to 'Treatment' SS...

Well I'm glad you guys got the change in time for me not to see it. Those are the words I've been hoping to hear for the last 28 years. I would have been dreadfully disappointed to see a heading like that & read this.

I personally know 3 individuals who did not treat their diabetes until it was too late. How about the loss of limbs from poor circulation? Blindness? Infections? If you did your homework you would see that diabetes does not kill nor is it a "silent" anything. Once complications set in, it is by no means silent. If you had been at the ER last week while I had ketoacidosis, you would certainly not have heard silence.

You have come here with the answers to my, & many other members, problems yet you could not do a quick check to see what was already available to you. Perhaps you need to have a look for yourself, you will learn something.

Now, what is the source for your treatments & what do they consist of? How are they used? What does each herb do individually? What happens when we stop this treatment? What other foods influence it's effect on diabetics? How fast does it start to work?

I'm so happy, this was caught up on before I had seen it.

Maybe our herbsandcures meant to say can lead to hyper and hypoglycemia? I may be one of the few that can agree w/the hypOglycemia comment. I seem to deal w/that moreso w/my diabetes. It's a new year, and hoping to stick to an exercise routine and make this year's weight loss a goal, and reach it. Those of us w/diabetes can at least try to improve our health, and slow the damage done to our body. Some have even gotten off of medications w/improved health w/exercise and being careful w/the diet. I appreciate any helpful info. we can get.... and yes I agree that some herbs can benefit our condition. Cinnamon seems to lower my blood sugar. I'll keep the info. in mind when cooking. Thanks!

Do you know any of these people who got off of medication?How long have they lasted without medication?This would be TypeII diabetes you are talking about? Be specific!



There's your answer in a nutshell. Dont excuse the pun.Stop fooling yourself.
Want me to tell you to stop taking medication prescribed by doc and try the cinnamon cure.Why sure go ahead,see how long you last.The meds you've been prescribed will make you go hypo if you dont follow correct diet regime.Its called a regime because it must be adhered to regimentally.

To be even more straight to the point ... You have kids ... You want to see them grow into adulthood ... to have kids of their own?Stop faffing about.


Once again just for clarity's sake.
Untreated diabetes can not lead to hypoglacemia

Hiya Thelma,

I've personally known people that got control of their diabetes diagnosis early on.... and never needed the meds...... so who know's, maybe they were more in metabolic syndrome? But I agree it may be almost impossible, if impossible, to get well if the diabetes if much advanced. Yes, I was referring to type II.

I also agree w/you about the meds and once you are on them, one can become hypOglycemic if not careful. i.e. missing a meal, or over doing it physically w/out enough carbs. Has happened to me several times now. But, I also suffered hypOglycemic bouts even before I was ever diagnosed, or started on medications. Not to say this happens to everyone, just speaking from my own experience. I wouldn't recommend someone stop their meds to try a cinnamon cure ..... just know that eating it seems to help lower my blood sugar. Our herbsandcures didn't specifically say that taking these herbs was a fullproof way to CURE diabetes, or did he/she? I read it to mean that they are beneficial in the treatment of diabetes. ??

I agree wholeheartedly about wanting to be around to see the grandkids. So we will focus on our health, it's our piority. Not faffing as far as I know. From the sound of it, I certainly never want to experience ketoacidosis. Hope those of us dealing w/it can maintain a good plan for keeping it under control. I plan to lose the weight, and I do hope to get OFF of the medication. I actually think I was doing better before I ever started taking it. But that's my personal observation. I can't speak for others.
I don't know that I'll be able to yet, but it is my hope!

Cruiser, you are refering to Type II. That is what you have, now. If you do not follow a regiment, you will end up with Type I. Most of the diabetics I know personally have started that way. You should be more strict with your treatment than I. The better health you are in, the better chance of avoiding the syringes.

If you do not want to experience ketoacidosis, listen to what is being said here. If you are going to experiment, consult with your doctors & dieticians. Yes, if you can, more than one.

Thelma is speaking the absolute truth. When discussing these matters, we HAVE to be precise. Do you know the devestating effects of trying something you heard as a diabetic? I would advise you to start studying up on Type I & Type II. There is a good chance you will end up with syringes so prepare. Have you experienced any of the complications yet? Do you think it's tough now trying to control diabetes? Yes, I'm trying to scare you since you have children. Because, it's either you take care of yourself or they will be forced to.

Now, how do you explain levels of glucose in the blood going down without insulin?

Yes, I am scared. I've held the hand of a dieing Aunt who's kidney's had failed, gone blind, teeth falling out........ at a time when I never dreamed I'd wind up w/the same diagnosis. So I realize this is serious, make no mistake about it. And I reiterate what I said before......... I can't tell you the scientific process of why this has happened to me.........but I suffered HYPOGLYCEMIA early on........... and was the first signal to me that there was a problem I needed to get checked out. My blood sugars dropped too low.............. I'm no Dr. but that's what was happening.

Thank you for your encouragement though Trent, it's always helpful to support each other. Very serious indeed. I've made my new resolution to get to the gym regularly, along w/the hubby and kids. The kids have been going........ hubby and I went regularly when we were younger but sporaticly of late. We do walk the dogs usually for 30 min. at a time. Winters in Wyoming can be brutal so there are days we can't go. But no more excuses, gonna hit the gym. We all went last night........ my bp after work out was 128/76 so that was very good for me. (o: I've only once checked my sugar and it was 200...... so that was a bad day. But I tend to stay in the 90 to 140 range. I know it is imprerative that I keep it controlled so not to damage my organs. Visions is a little blurry.... and I thought I had the numb hands once or twice. So yes, I realize this is no game. Hope I didn't imply that it was. I understand how upsetting this illness is...... but we can 'manage' it best we can. Hubby's side has a history of this disease so several going through it together. I was raised to eat right, not mom's fault. I take full responsibility for eating the junk after I left home..... and we have tought the kids to know better. They snack on salads, fruit. Setting the good examples for us old fots!!
Again, I have on several ocassions found my sugar to be between 40-70..... and not feeling well at all. (probably because we tend to over do it when we head out i.e. hiking etc.)

Beginning to wonder if there is an alien playing w/my keyboard when I'm typing........ I look back and see words like 'imprerative'........ ?? just typing too fast maybe? I could use a good spell check option in the forum. Just putting that in the suggestion box.

Trent I also drink lots of water.... seems to lower the blood sugar a bit, and exercise does it for me. Don't know if I'm satisfied w/who I see for my treatment plan. I may be looking for a second opinion, good idea.

For spell check, all you need to do is left click twice in the word you wish to check. A window will open with the word in question. Follow the directions.

As far as I know misspelled words in a post will not be highlighted or underlined.

I am a type 2 diabetic but have managed it since diagnosis with the help of my VA nurse/ practitioner for over 6 years now with diet and exercise. I realize that I am lucky and had the advantage of being sent to an excellent dietician who taught me how to adapt my diet and cooking. I try to limit my carbs to between 20 and 50 grams per meal and test my blood glucose a couple of times per week. I also walk 3 to 5 miles per day.

As far as a spell checker, I use the Google toolbar spell checker for forum posts. Just click the box saying "ABC Check" and the misspelled words turn red. Clicking on the word then gives a drop-down giving several choices.

Thanks guys, I'll give the spell check a try. I'm one that needs it.

So, funny you just mentioned ABC in your post Poppy..... I just watched a video from ABC news that said they now recommend that even folks w/type II diabetes take statins to control blood fat.......... to control the risk of heart attack/stroke. I don't have high cholesterol and always hear negative reports about statins...... Only recently my brother-in-law said he's having good results w/a new statin drug. I'll have to ask what it's called.
That's a big push for the drug companies........ all of us w/diabetes going on statins. Let's diet and exercise and see if that works first. Up to 5 pills a day and don't like the idea of more.

Thanks for the info, Cruiser, but the VA is focused on keeping you well rather than treating an illness so I try to adapt to the least invasive procedure possible. I take one medication for BPH that I'll be on for the rest of my life but try to avoid other medications if I can manage by diet.

As for as the spell check is concerned, my spelling is so bad that I was self-conscious about posting before I found the purpose of the "ABC Check" button on the Google tool bar.

I think that's what they were implying.... taking statins to avoid getting high cholesterol since they say we are more prone to developing it? Not sure........ I'll try to post the link for it.

Click here for video

Hope it works.

So long as you feel you're getting the best health care Poppy, and you seem to be satisfied w/the VA so good for you. Here's to good health! I agree, less is best.


Edited to repair and shorten the link for you.
Rev

Cruiser
Let me first say sorry for being overly harsh yesterday. I only have your best interests and your kids at heart.

As you know I have had diabetes a long time, so I have already gone through the emotional turmoil that you are going, will go through presently.

I would say if your doc is telling you to take a statin, take a statin.
I have been taking one for twenty years now.Atrovastatin.
I absolutely detest taking tablets, my doctors took a long time in persuading me, they done this by showing me the results of cholesterol levels gained through blood tests, after a few months of them trying to persuade me, I could see for myself things were not getting better by the exercise I was doing, it was explained to me that diabetics have poorer liver function, the statin replaces the enzyme that is limited by this.
I was told of the risks of heart attack and strokes, so eventually I was persuaded. I know things are different in the US, you have to pay through the nose, in any case I would go for it.As an added bonus statins are supposed to lower the risk of Altzheimers.

I know this is not a consultative post.In other words you didnt ask for my diagnosis, but I am giving it to you anyways. In the other link started by Lightandlove she mentioned she had to take medication for her Thyroid levels, with you sounding overweight, I would ask your doc to check your thyroid levels, my doc discovered my thyroid levels were way under,usually under-active thyroid presents itself in an obese person,not always the case in a diabetic person.This may also be the reason your weight will not come down on its own, your metabolism is all out of kilter.

Not a problem Thelma.

Just might be a good idea for some of us, taking the statins. My father never had that opportunity, died at 56...massive heart attack. My bad cholesterol isn't too high, but the good cholesterol is low......... and I was just reading about Crestor. I'm pretty sure that's the one my b-in-law is having good results with. I read it raises the good LDL while lowering the bad.

I believe we checked my thyroid w/blood testing not too long ago. Interesting though, mom had thyroid cancer so has to take meds for hers now. You're right, my metabolism seems to be on vacation since I had my kids.

Sounds like it's worked well for you over the years. I'll check into it. Thank you for the wise coucil and hope you feel well.

well. Sunnovabeetch. Lots of folks here have diabetes. Now that's quite interesting. I wonder what that means? Hhhmmmm.

Recently diagnosed.... don't get enough exercise. I'm seeing more and more mention anxiety and panic attacks that many of us seem to share in common. hmmm........ ?

Happens to the best of us IMO. We care too deeply about everything, taking on the worlds worries.

Ps.... lately my blood sugar keeps elevated.... and my days and nights are mixed up for sleep. A good thing I'm not working.

cruiser

Prophmaji:


Well now in your opinion, what does it mean?

People with dabetes would do well to listen to Thelma and Trent. Their experiences are invaluable. They have been there and unfortunately done that. I look upon those two as very courageous in their struggles. As I do anyone facing such adversity.

I dont think there is an esoteric connection.I am aware that the entire population has been affected with the upsurge in figures, of people now being diagnosed as being Diabetic.

Forty years ago they told me my type,Type I, was most likely genetic.How many generations back they couldnt say. Therefore they were guessing. Type II was at that time connected to middle and old age usually accompaning obesity, that also turns out to have been a guess.There are children now taking the tablets to control levels.

The Pancreas like the Kidneys are sponge like organisms, the pancreas frees Insulin through the sponge holes, if the holes in the sponge get blocked,the Insulin doesnt get through into your system,the part in the Pacreas that pumps the insulin are called The Islets of Langerhans, it starts to slow down,it doesnt need to pump so much,this is the case in Type II,when it stops functioning altogether in the case of Type II, it necrofies,it shrivels and dies,never to work again and the need for daily insulin shots a must.

Todays survivors,the rise in figures, are down to better awareness and simple tests.Many of the folks diagnosed today,would probably have died years ago, the presenting condition,in my case was Pnuemonia then diabetes.If I had been born a decade earlier the diabetes most likely would've been missed and I would've died from the Pnuemonia.

Things are progressing.

Well, I don't have Diabetes yet, however, I do deal with the anxiety & panic attacks - not to mention-days & nights mixed up, Big Time! & been told I'm quite empathic. I KNOW I'm a pathological worry-wart, mostly about others...I really feel for you, cruiser, because my older half-sister has Diabetes, as does my best friend, also! I had them taking Colloidal Silver for other reasons- David had an abcessed tooth, (which was giving no pain or problems the next day!) & Anne wanted to use it on her foot wound. Both took some orally, too & couldn't believe how much better they felt! And their numbers started coming down a bit, so they've been having me make it for them. I'm keeping notes on this, since it's seems promising . If the results are very positive, I will put up a post on this. Take care of yourself, cruiser

I don't know if it means anything either. But I have my 'possibilities', and I will look for anecdotal evidence to support my position. Suffice it to say, that my list of possibles is not fit for print at the moment, being quite vague. I will do as I always do, which is to understand the evidence/connectivity that is in front of me, when it arrives.

That means that there are many people who may be your coworker, friend, cousin, lawyer, nurse or whatnot who get up early enough to test our blood glucose levels through a blood test, administered ourselves at a substantial cost. Without insurance it costs me $1 per test, 4 times a day. From there it's the morning shot of insulin through a syringe. Hope you're not scared of injections or needles, my uncle was until he developed diabetes himself. The we eat a hearty breakfast that has to be healthy, weighed & measured with the different foods represented.

I have to eat a small snack in the mid-morning, usually an apple or the equivalent. Noon comes & it's the same as above. A mid-afternoon snack consisting of 60 grams of carbs. Suppertime is like breakfast & dinner. Around 9;30 - 10 pm, I have another lunch, similar to breakfast but at night. The same routine though.

Now if the monitored readings don't correspond with the required levels for good health, we have to adjust the amount of insulin we administer & what we are going to eat. This is day in, day out, 24/7, 365 days a year & every day's success depends on how we did the day before that. Tomorrow depends on how we manage today.

This is despite all the stuff you & everyone else has to deal with on a daily basis.

That also means that anyone reading this forum, including yourself, can become a diabetic. It is rampant. Diet & lifestyle are the major influences on you developing this. Once you develop type 2, you have to change your lifestyle immediately & drastically to avoid type 1. If you mess around with type 2 thinking you need not act immediately or carefully, I have several friends who have died & several others with amputated lower limbs & blindness due to complications.

That also means that when we pick up a bug or get an infection, we have to monitor things more carefully & deal with it immediately. We can't take a couple of days off & lie around with neo-citran & hot toddies & blankets.

In other words, that means a lot of people have diabetes. I just wanted to rant a little.

I just want to say this is one of the most important threads on this site. And want to thank all who have given the knowledge of dealing with this totally perplexing affliction to us. Can't thank you enough.

Rant away TC I love the way you get to the point.

Just like to say that I agree Kira, this thread lets us know we're not alone w/diabetes. Thank you for everyone's input. I tend to think you are on to something there Spiritzephyr.... at least in my case...... at times I think taking this medicine gets the body hooked to needing it........... I didn't try stricked diet and exercise first.

I put all of my weight on w/pregnancies and then never worked hard to get the weight off, yoyo dieting over the years............ and just kept gaining. I am the first and only one on my side diagnosed w/diabetes. My blood sugar test was 6.2 (those of you know what test I'm referring to and can't think of it right now)......so not real bad but need to control it.

Hubby and I just got back from our hike, feels good. Decided to be brave and post a picture of me way back when........ to prove the point that I know that it's a lifestyle choice and it takes work. Thanks for keeping me serious about this disease guys, want you to know I'm pulling for each one of you! Now here's me, many moons ago and 100 lb. lighter. Tried to make it a small picture, not really wanting to be Juliette public.... but I long to be fit again! I want to be around for these kids and their kids should they be blessed to have any.
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