This is a very good topic. The Book of Enoch does have some age under it's belt. The only remaining copy is a Slavonic Manuscript which has been translated into English by R.H. Charles around 1896. I've seen many dates thrown out there but the one most people agree on is 160 B.C. based on linguistics and terminologies.

This book has many occult significances in it, and should not be read at face value. Enoch being the seventh in line from Adam is no superficiality, as seven is a very significant number in the ancient wisdom religion. All things are septenary, and the septenary itself is usually the amalgam of the six principles(relative to topic) not an individual but more so a collective.

The numbers and "persons/characters" mentioned in the book are many and all are symbolic. Transcripts from the surviving Book of Enoch have been found amongst the papyrus at Qumran(Dead Sea Scrolls, Book of Giants). At one time I severely leaned towards the belief that this was a story of Aliens/Higher entities and of their existence in relation to all that is and us and of things happened long ago. After reading other Egyptian/Babylonian works, I am starting to fall out of that idea at "face value."

I believe there is much more significant meaning in the writings. Enoch was taken by God. He(the Idea of him) is often used synonymously with Metatron. I have been out of the Hebrew Merkabah study for a while, but I will return with more information. I would hate to misunderstand such a thing and spread falsity.


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I think Enoch and Elijah are the two end time witnesses.

2"And when the angels, (3) the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children."

That really says something about the nature of angels, perhaps they are not sexless as they want us to believe.

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I think it all Judeo-Christian and Pagan religions may be based on it

Similarities in texts do not necessarily imply that everyone's read the same books. Whichever book came first, it had to come from somewhere, too. Presumably at some point these things were written because of someone's direct experience.

After being raised Christian I stepped away from organized religion. I came to believe that knowledge is obtainable through personal exploration. I began to meditate and to explore my own spiritual reality and have established in that manner an understanding of my spiritual reality. I could write a book about it, I suppose. I know there would be similarities to other spirituality-based books - when I've shared my personal beliefs I've been told they have many similarities with certain religions that I did not study prior to the exploration of my own spiritual reality - but I don't believe that what I experience is necessarily what others will or should experience. There'd be no point in my writing that book. I don't need others to believe the way I do; I doubt it would fit them well. I think folks who step into their own spiritual realities find there are both similarities with and differences from the spiritual realities of others, that there are few true universal truths to which everyone could agree, and that this is as it should be.

But that's just my take on it.

My point (yeah, yeah, took me long enough to get to it) is that similarities between the canonical Bible, the Book of Enoch, Sumerian (sp?) texts, my own spiritual experiences, etc, do not, imo, imply that any of these writings and experiences were based on the others.

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While I agree to some extent of what you said above zeph. There are many indicators that this older "wisdom religion" was passed as cultures combined and lived side by side. Although many a face has represented it in different ways, there is a long dark finger tracing over it all back to some unknown origin.

Truth be it, that much of the older torah and kabala were a direct reflection of Babylonian and chalean thinking. Many of the tales were "borrowed" and passed on as the two great peoples separated. Judaism is a very excellent example of the handing off of the torch, there are way too many similarities that have moved from the above named two countries to the Jews.

The genesis, Noah, the book of numbers are all closely tied to Chaldean/Babylonian "occult" philosophies. Although current Christian evangelists and some Catholics have gone way into the deep end interpreting the one mentioned "God" as being a male personality that is one and only the creator of all things. Not to mention the great personification/anthropomorphic entity that this concept has become.

Elohim, Logos, and may other "titles" don't bear any resemblance to their original intent in today's practicing churches.


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Absolutely no argument here. I recognize that my own understanding of what is spiritual reality for me must also be filtered through who I am as a human being in this life, this culture, this society. Of course, who I am here is also part and parcel of who I am as a whole.
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I have recently cultivated an interest in this subject, so noticing this thread was an act of serendipity for me, great links everyone....S








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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJLNx22oJsU

It's an old Buddhist thing:

You are God.

End of story. Beginning of adventure and climb. Or remembrance of where you are, who you are, -where you stand- in that climb.

Other than that, there really isn't that much more to say.

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An example. Apparently, I'm a fairly powerful being with respects of advanced skills, or energies that are around me.

I lied today. A minor thing, but I lied.

When I lied, at the exact moment I was on the phone, engaged in this lie, the earth shook. A tremor. "OK, OK!", I said to the air around me, 'I get the point!"

I called the guy back and explained to him what the truth was.

Sometimes you get schooled. I got a spanking today.

Now... is this an isolated incident in my life? Not by a long shot. I've had in the area of hundreds or more incidents just like that.

Well, I will agree that it should have been included in the bible. I don't think it's all that old, though, and I certainly don't think it has much to do with Pagan religions except perhaps borrowing from them the way the rest of the bible did.

This is not a put down in any way, but I think that the bible in general, and the book of Enoch especially, is a record of what happened when a tribe of nomads were confronted with alien visitors. I've tried reading the texts from different points of view and I just can't see another interpretation that works.

Is the book of Enoch the one that tells of Adam having a blue stone that told him when the visitors would be back? I always thought the description of the "stone" sounded like a PDA with the blue screen and all.


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