The Book Of THoTH

What do you guys think about the Book of Enoch. I have a feeling that it was the first book ever written and that the Bible as well as all pagan religions are based on it. From angels, demons, to messiahs as well as the flood and a forthcoming meteor strike are contained in the book.

Also, what do you make of the fact that The Book of Enoch and also Jubilees are part of the Ethiopian Church's Canon. Enoch is a fascinating and ancient text that does not receive much thought and study.

http://www.holysmoke.org/hs00/lostbook.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id113.html

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, "and was not found, because God had taken him"; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Jude 1:14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."

Gen 5:19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

Gen 5:20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.

Gen 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:

Gen 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

Gen 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:

Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not; for God took him.


These allowed books make mention of Him and his Testimony, yet it's not part of the 66 the Church approves of. I love the book myself and reference it alot.

I don't believe the book of Enoch to be authentic or even all that ancient. Certainly not old enough to be the first book of the Bible. But I do think it was written as a creative vehicle for recording real events and traditions. It's very similar to other "Enochs" of other cultures.

Here's a link that gives some overview of Enoch.

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/stream ... enoch.html

Like I said, it's not a subject that' very much studied or discussed. Parts of the book are atleast from 3rd century BC. There is too much corroboration between the different languages and areas it has been found. In fact, there appears to have been a deliberate effort to suppress and eradicate the Book of Enoch by the early Christian Church.

The reason I think it all Judeo-Christian and Pagan religions may be based on it is because it actually contains all the seeds of belief systems that were later reflected in the various religious of the knows world. The most fascinating aspect of the Book of Enoch is the possible hidden tech contained in the book. It repeatedly speaks of the order of things. I think it's describing some type of physical law or observation. For example, the astrological section and the calculation of days, years, etc. For example, there is a section that describes the "winds" and their portals depending on the season. The High winds of the Atmosphere, the Jet Streams, were used by the Japanese in their attack of Pearl Harbor. They got to Hawaii superfast by utilizing the Jet streams by flying really high. Of course that meant that they were flying back in a much slower pace. At a minimum, they had knowledge of the Jet Streams.

The idea of Angels and Demons and their origin is not very much explained in the bible. Since the old Testament was written by Moses thousands of years later than Enoch had lived(claim that he wrote the book), one would atleast have to consider the possibility. Angels (evil in this case) fathering a breed of Giants and other freaks that brought about destruction as well as introduce a dearth of knowledge and technology to people is a theme that is evident in the pagan religions of the Middle East and the Mediterranean.

The sad part is that the Book of enoch seems to have been corrupted by later writers that added to the original. I don't know what their motive was and they seem to have made additions to it to account for historical occurences. I think the book contains some hidden and lost technology the discoverer of which becomes powerful and immortal.

Very cool. I'm interested in how John Dee took the Book of Enoch and turned it into the Enochian tradition. He created his own language, claimed to talk to angels. I also find it fascinating how much modern Wicca relates to the Enochian tradition, what with the 4 watchtowers and the magical systems. My guess is that because they were picked up by Crowley and teh Golden Dawn, Gardner picked them up as well.

Links:

• Enochian @ About.com
• Enochian Magick
• Enochian -Wikipedia
• 1st Book of Enoch
• 2nd Book of Enoch
• 3rd Book of Enoch

Yeah the Thelemic schools from the early 20th century seem to have borrowed heavily from the Enochian system.

I for one, don't trust that stuff. Those people were into strange things, and look at the people who abandoned them, like J Krishnamurti.

John Dee was the original 007. He was not a nice person. He was a servant of the Global elite of his day.

Those quotes by allyourbase make it read like he was abducted by aliens!

Ancient angels and demons are now believed to be the good&bad aliens visiting this planet.

Fiqtor, I think it HAS been studied quite a lot because references to it crop up time and again when I'm reading other books.

But let me guess, you believe everything Sitchen says and any ancient Sumerian text or Sitchen translations of the same...?? lol The book of Enoch is indeed ancient are the rest of the text contained within the Bible..

It certainly sounds like an abduction because Enoch holds a conversation with angels that show him around. I am not saying that's what it was. He actually knows when he is going to be taken again for the last time and gathers his family to tell them what's to come. Hence, he disappears without a trace and the bible implies Enoch ascends to heaven without dying because he "walked with God" in all his days.

Enoch was "lost" to history for some 1500 plus years. It's not studied as much as it should be considering the influence it had in early religions. It's a powerful book. I have been researching Enoch for a while now. He is sometimes described as a descendant of Cain but most often as a descendant of Set and the grandfather of Noah. By the way, according to the book of Enoch, Noah was "different" than all before him. My personal take is that he was the first white human being. It could be that he was the first Albino, or else, had alien features.

I believe that Noah was from Atlantis, or was an alien, and had the means to build a huge spaceship in which to carry specimens for future replenishment of the earth after the flood.

You guess incorrect.



It of course depends on how one is defining "ancient". If memory serves the evidence points to the Book of Enoch being written during the Common Era. Since we're talking in relation to texts predating the Roman Empire by thousands of years I don't consider the New Testament writings ancient in this context.

I love the book of Enoch! It so interesting it makes me mad they didn't want it in the bible but some people are scared of things they don't understand especially back then.But i don't think he was from atlantis or anything maybe he went there?But i think it was the fallen angels that lived there.that place had to much power for regular humans,no?anyways i like this thread.

Interesting, indeed.
Have a friend who joined some society and is studying the
book or teachings of Enoch, have wanted to have a look just
hasnt come around yet...

Wondering if any one knows about 'The Urantia Book'?
Or should i save this for a thread on its own?

Kisses.

I'VE NEVER HEARD ABOUT URANTIA BOOK,WOULD LIKE TO THOUGH.

Also, check out "Uriel's Machine" by Knight & Lomas for more interesting bits about the book of Enoch and how it ties to modern technology & astronomy.

Hi tandym, I looked up Uriel's Machine and boy that does sound interestiing,thanks! i'm gonna read up more ..

Im with IlluminatusRex on this one;

Frankly the book of Enoch seems like the brother to the bible, which, I might add, was written by man. And further point on that, each book was chosen for the bible by the act/hand of man. Again, I dont hold much faith in the Bible.

And the book of Enoch also goes into some explaination of the Nephilim race- which brings up and entirely new chapter of questions and contradictions.

As far as 'ancient' goes- what is your timeline on ancient, old, and new?

The Urantia book is quite awesome, but an intimidating read. Seems like it will never end...and for me, it didn't.

The Book of Enoch has always struck me as having something very important to say about the nature of spiritual truth. As for Dee's system, the agenda of the Enochians is very hard to ascertain. Some see the Enochians as extra-terrestrials, others view them as demonic. In this system, by doing certain things, certain results will follow. I've moved onto other things, but during the time of my explorations into Enochian, I became convinced that it was the most "real" and potent current I'd yet been involved with.

A case in point...my experience with the Enochian system was fleeting and rudimentary, for the most part. Yet to this day, many of the phrases and formulas, such as IVITDT and ZTZTZT have become "embedded" in my consciousness, almost like thoughforms that are still pertinent to me thought I've moved on. The same holds true for the Elemental Kings and other entities I'd worked with...they remain, though my participation has ended. My healer and energy worker recently found an entity clinging to the back of my head. Her take on it was that it was of Enochian origin...not malicious in any way, but attempting to interfere with my free will and urge me back to my prior path.

This strays off-topic and I apologize, but it is my opinion that there is something of a very deep nature to be found in the story of Enoch, and the book named after him, regardless of it's dating or origin.

peace,
SR

I came across this interesting discussion on the book of Enoch.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 474985/pg1

Enjoy!

Thankyou so much. If you hadn't put in that last post, I'd never have known this thread was here. that book has always fascinated me.


I had to put in a side note, with all the reptilian race stuff I've read lately, and the talk on this thread of the angels being alians. The first thought that popped in my head was that the angels were the reptilian race and the giants that resulted were the dinosaurs. Lol. sounds stupid and nobody quote me on that please. Was just the first thing that popped in my head. I think I've been reading too much.

L&L

This is a very good topic. The Book of Enoch does have some age under it's belt. The only remaining copy is a Slavonic Manuscript which has been translated into English by R.H. Charles around 1896. I've seen many dates thrown out there but the one most people agree on is 160 B.C. based on linguistics and terminologies.

This book has many occult significances in it, and should not be read at face value. Enoch being the seventh in line from Adam is no superficiality, as seven is a very significant number in the ancient wisdom religion. All things are septenary, and the septenary itself is usually the amalgam of the six principles(relative to topic) not an individual but more so a collective.

The numbers and "persons/characters" mentioned in the book are many and all are symbolic. Transcripts from the surviving Book of Enoch have been found amongst the papyrus at Qumran(Dead Sea Scrolls, Book of Giants). At one time I severely leaned towards the belief that this was a story of Aliens/Higher entities and of their existence in relation to all that is and us and of things happened long ago. After reading other Egyptian/Babylonian works, I am starting to fall out of that idea at "face value."

I believe there is much more significant meaning in the writings. Enoch was taken by God. He(the Idea of him) is often used synonymously with Metatron. I have been out of the Hebrew Merkabah study for a while, but I will return with more information. I would hate to misunderstand such a thing and spread falsity.

I think Enoch and Elijah are the two end time witnesses.

2"And when the angels, (3) the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children."

That really says something about the nature of angels, perhaps they are not sexless as they want us to believe.

Similarities in texts do not necessarily imply that everyone's read the same books. Whichever book came first, it had to come from somewhere, too. Presumably at some point these things were written because of someone's direct experience.

After being raised Christian I stepped away from organized religion. I came to believe that knowledge is obtainable through personal exploration. I began to meditate and to explore my own spiritual reality and have established in that manner an understanding of my spiritual reality. I could write a book about it, I suppose. I know there would be similarities to other spirituality-based books - when I've shared my personal beliefs I've been told they have many similarities with certain religions that I did not study prior to the exploration of my own spiritual reality - but I don't believe that what I experience is necessarily what others will or should experience. There'd be no point in my writing that book. I don't need others to believe the way I do; I doubt it would fit them well. I think folks who step into their own spiritual realities find there are both similarities with and differences from the spiritual realities of others, that there are few true universal truths to which everyone could agree, and that this is as it should be.

But that's just my take on it.

My point (yeah, yeah, took me long enough to get to it) is that similarities between the canonical Bible, the Book of Enoch, Sumerian (sp?) texts, my own spiritual experiences, etc, do not, imo, imply that any of these writings and experiences were based on the others.

zeph

While I agree to some extent of what you said above zeph. There are many indicators that this older "wisdom religion" was passed as cultures combined and lived side by side. Although many a face has represented it in different ways, there is a long dark finger tracing over it all back to some unknown origin.

Truth be it, that much of the older torah and kabala were a direct reflection of Babylonian and chalean thinking. Many of the tales were "borrowed" and passed on as the two great peoples separated. Judaism is a very excellent example of the handing off of the torch, there are way too many similarities that have moved from the above named two countries to the Jews.

The genesis, Noah, the book of numbers are all closely tied to Chaldean/Babylonian "occult" philosophies. Although current Christian evangelists and some Catholics have gone way into the deep end interpreting the one mentioned "God" as being a male personality that is one and only the creator of all things. Not to mention the great personification/anthropomorphic entity that this concept has become.

Elohim, Logos, and may other "titles" don't bear any resemblance to their original intent in today's practicing churches.

Absolutely no argument here. I recognize that my own understanding of what is spiritual reality for me must also be filtered through who I am as a human being in this life, this culture, this society. Of course, who I am here is also part and parcel of who I am as a whole.
z

edited for clairty

I have recently cultivated an interest in this subject, so noticing this thread was an act of serendipity for me, great links everyone....S








soulflyshuffle:lamb of god-ruin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJLNx22oJsU

It's an old Buddhist thing:

You are God.

End of story. Beginning of adventure and climb. Or remembrance of where you are, who you are, -where you stand- in that climb.

Other than that, there really isn't that much more to say.

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An example. Apparently, I'm a fairly powerful being with respects of advanced skills, or energies that are around me.

I lied today. A minor thing, but I lied.

When I lied, at the exact moment I was on the phone, engaged in this lie, the earth shook. A tremor. "OK, OK!", I said to the air around me, 'I get the point!"

I called the guy back and explained to him what the truth was.

Sometimes you get schooled. I got a spanking today.

Now... is this an isolated incident in my life? Not by a long shot. I've had in the area of hundreds or more incidents just like that.

Well, I will agree that it should have been included in the bible. I don't think it's all that old, though, and I certainly don't think it has much to do with Pagan religions except perhaps borrowing from them the way the rest of the bible did.

This is not a put down in any way, but I think that the bible in general, and the book of Enoch especially, is a record of what happened when a tribe of nomads were confronted with alien visitors. I've tried reading the texts from different points of view and I just can't see another interpretation that works.

Is the book of Enoch the one that tells of Adam having a blue stone that told him when the visitors would be back? I always thought the description of the "stone" sounded like a PDA with the blue screen and all.

An interesting read here with many brow-raising segments.

http://www.piney.com/ApocCave.html

There is a mention of the devil impersonaying a snake to tempt Eve as the snake was like looking into a mirror for Eve and had the devil taken on his true form, she wouldn't have fallen for his trickery.

Also, an interesting take on who were the fallen god's children and who were the daughters of men. I ran into this while looking for "the lamentations of Jared."

I hope it adds to the discussion in this thread.