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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:04 pm 
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First of all, I want to make it clear that I am in no way attempting to backup, prove or dis prove any of the major conspiricy theories out there at the moment. All I want to do here is to put out the facts as i see them.

In the course of human existence, we've gone an incredidble distance technologically speaking in an incredibly short time. But there are things out there that we haven't been, or only recently have been able to explain (stone henge, pyrimids, etc). Particually when it comes to the spiritual world, we as a whole seem to have been able to explain away, dismiss or forget our own ancient beliefs. But we seem to have forgotten something: We had those beliefs for a reason.

Anybody who looks closely enough at cryptzoology understands that there seem to be things that live in the darker places of the world. These things seem content to leave us to ourselves, but throughout human history these things have interfeared... call them Demons or Angels, Spirits or Elementals, even Mothman and Grey Aliens, and the Chupacobra.

During the Bell Witch incident in America, the first signs of hauntings were reputibly when John Bell saw an animal in a corn field on his property which he could only describe as having the head of a rabbit and the body of a dog, which dissapeared when he shot at it. Places such as the infamous Skinwalker Ranch (re: Wikipedia, go have a look for yourself) have been known to be hotspots for activity and sightings such as ghost lights, cattle mutilation, strange creatures and other such phenomena. Much of the phenomena is confusing and, possibly intentionally, extremely dissorentating.

The phenomena of Shadow People, malevolent beings that have been known to cause intense fear and unrest in people they encounter, has been notable in these events too, as are the shadowy "men in black". Another entity, the Black Eyed Children, appear as young children who request entry into either a house or a car, but give off an evil and dangerous pressence and, as the name suggests, have no collour in their eyes at all . The proof of the existence of any of these beings is not the subject here, only that there are confirmed reports and testimonials of encounters with these beings.

Charles Fort once hinted that the human race is not alone, and after years of extensive research, he compiled a huge list of such phenomena as shown above. From conspiricy theory to non human beings, Fort went as far as to give suspicion that these beings could possibly even prey on us.

I believe that these beings have either masterminded or interferred with at least some, if not most or even all of humanitys development and history.

So. Go out and look at every conspiricy theory that you can think of. Look at the maps of the white house with pentagrams or Metatrons Cube built into the blue prints. Then go and read about every creature encounter story you can remember. Now discard the theories. Look at the facts. Forget about seeing the mason symbol on the One Doller Bill, or the "swastika/nato" symbol analogys. flubb the moon landing conspiricy.

We must accept that there are... things... out there. I call them things because I cannot think of them as anything else. The thought of what could really, really be out there... it terrifies me.

This is hard to explain, but im sure that there are people out there who understand what i mean. Even drawing these things attention is... well, the thought of one of these things even looking at me scares the ever loving sh*t out of me. Dont blow this post off. Dont try and rationalise the facts, or come up with theories, until you understand the fear these things generate.

Something is coming, or has been here all along.


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I am not going to rationalize. Yes there are dark things, beings, ideas, thoughts, people etc. You get the point. Of course, we judge that darkness from our own perspective. One we believe, is coming from the light. I am not sure how you know your own power or even your own ability not to lose your mind, if you have not encountered these "dark ones".

I am not belittling your terror or your ideas here, but I will say its far more important to confront your own demons first before trying to tackle this arena. I often think people are so curious or foolhardy or just plain naive that they would prefer to look outward at what exists before they look inward at what exists first.

Now, I do believe sometimes one is thrust into positions of dealing with less than nice things without actually seeking it out. Maybe not consciously anyway. I am not sure. I am not sure these dark ones are not a reflection of our own minds and hearts, at what terrifies us most about ourselves. The helplessness, hopelessness...the stupidity, the hatred, the vengeful, the cruel, the masochist and sadist.

Alas, it is terrifying at times. I pray and hope for us all, Azazael, but like in the book Dune..."fear is the mind killer." If you let fear breed it will spawn all manner of obstacles.

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Thanks again for replying katsmeow, and i hope i dont give off the wrong impression with my posts so far. Perhaps this should have gone to a different THOTH forum that covers this sort of thing?

I am fully aware of my own personal problems, mentally and spiritually. What i was trying to convey through my post was not just some mad paranoid rant... :? though i think it does read like one. Only that there are multiple reports ranging back for years to do with encounters mainly with Men in Black (no i dont just mean alien witnesses), Shadow beings (of which i have had my own encounters) and the most recent entity i've become aware of, the Black Eyed Children.

Of the beings listed here, all share common traits. Namely, and without trying to sound all dramatic, Darkness, and the feeling of irrational terror that seems to accompany most reports of these things. I've felt that fear before on a few occasions myself, and its the sort of crippling fear that will nail you to the wall from the other side of the room.

I understand what you mean about darker aspects of people and how they can manifest themselves, as you say:

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The helplessness, hopelessness...the stupidity, the hatred, the vengeful, the cruel, the masochist and sadist.


But what i believe is walking on this earth is not some darker aspect of humanity, or some spiritual demon. What or who i fear is trying to interact with us is incohmprehensible, organised and otherwise indescribable. I think that with what people believe as it is, how can this (albeit possible... i believe theyre out there and so do others, that doesnt mean they ARE real) threat seem any less dangerous?

I just hope that other people who have an interest in these things, read about them or seen them will post a reply...


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I do not disprove of those shadow peoples, as I know majority of the childrens nightmares stem from seeing shadows in a room, hence why they report monsters under the bed etc. Children as we know are more perspective to seeing what is really there until society reins in those abilities. In Tibetan mysticisms, they believed it was Tulpa "being or object which is created through sheer willpower alone. In other words, it is a materialized thought that has taken physical form (a thoughtform)."

Alexandra David-Neel brought the idea to the western society by creating a Friar Tuck like monk which supposed to have had developed a life of its own and Alexandra had to destroy it. Maybe those shadows are tulpas that people created without knowing therefore had not destroyed it?

There is an article about Shadow People here in the Book of THoTH.

Another theory is caused by being in hypnopompic or hypnagogic state of sleep.



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The first post in this thread has an account of a run in with such things. There are quite a few other accounts around the forums as well, but this one I knew where to find as it's my post.



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Thanks again for replying katsmeow, and i hope i dont give off the wrong impression with my posts so far. Perhaps this should have gone to a different THOTH forum that covers this sort of thing?

I am fully aware of my own personal problems, mentally and spiritually. What i was trying to convey through my post was not just some mad paranoid rant... :? though i think it does read like one. Only that there are multiple reports ranging back for years to do with encounters mainly with Men in Black (no i dont just mean alien witnesses), Shadow beings (of which i have had my own encounters) and the most recent entity i've become aware of, the Black Eyed Children.

Of the beings listed here, all share common traits. Namely, and without trying to sound all dramatic, Darkness, and the feeling of irrational terror that seems to accompany most reports of these things. I've felt that fear before on a few occasions myself, and its the sort of crippling fear that will nail you to the wall from the other side of the room.

I understand what you mean about darker aspects of people and how they can manifest themselves, as you say:

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The helplessness, hopelessness...the stupidity, the hatred, the vengeful, the cruel, the masochist and sadist.


But what i believe is walking on this earth is not some darker aspect of humanity, or some spiritual demon. What or who i fear is trying to interact with us is incohmprehensible, organised and otherwise indescribable. I think that with what people believe as it is, how can this (albeit possible... i believe theyre out there and so do others, that doesnt mean they ARE real) threat seem any less dangerous?

I just hope that other people who have an interest in these things, read about them or seen them will post a reply...


I am sorry Azazael. No I did not mean to say they are not real. They are. I know people who have had encounters with the shadow people and the sheer terror that was invoked is one that you cannot explain easily. I liken it to terror down to your DNA.

I have been struck by this kind of terror by a different type of being and it shakes you to your core. Disbelief that something would so invoke terror to that degree is common unless you have felt it. It is a motivator for exploration though I think. Other than that I really don't know who or what they are, but I know better than to be arrogant about it for sure. By that I mean, I have faith in myself, but it is no joke.

I just worry sometimes people go "looking" for these things before they have looked at other things first. I am a bit of a mother hen. :) Ahhhh...pft...who am I kidding? I am a big mother hen.

Sorry if I gave the wrong impression.

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Just out of curiosity, why do you consider all shadow people/beings to be malevolent? I'm a member of a few other paranormal forums and the consensus elsewhere is that they aren't all bad.


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Why would they be organized? Once again I'm struck with the most basic question--what's the point? What's in it for them?



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They probably gained the reputation for being malevolent due to the supposed theory of one that they were formed out of negative charge around them, many witnesses to those forms felt unease with those people around, the fear and intense feeling of something bad was great. Very rarely, those witnesses were assaulted by those Shadow People.

In the olden days, people considered black to be bad, it was also the time when people started to believe that the devil had red eyes, those Shadow People often had red eyes, then the link was established however inaccurate it was.

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There are many things in reality that are malevolent. I don't fear shadow people or any of the others though. I just try to destroy them with various methods. They might be afraid of me for all I know. I've had some strange encounters with several things, and thing is certainly a good word for them. By fearing anything it gains power over you, one way or another. As Kat said "fear is the mind killer."

I don't know what they are either really although I have ideas, but I know I can hurt them, so its a "shoot first, ask questions later" kind of thing lol. Some are harder to deal with than others, but all can be chased off or killed in a sense. That sort of thing takes a lot of preparation though. I can only do what I can to them from natural talent and many years working with meditation and other disciplines.

I've spent a lot of years looking at a lot of stories and myths to try increase my understanding of the paranormal though, and I still have a lot to learn.

I don't think its some massive Lovecraftian network of entities but some do appear to work together in ways. I consider the things I've encountered to be spirits, but there are a lot of different theories floating around as to what they might be. Not all entities are bad, but I think the shadows, black-eyed people, and others are. Some are tulpas. Others are created as a type shadow created by the darker aspects of human beings.


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dont be sorry kat, im new to the whole forums thing, and i allways worry about offending people. I wouldn't be surprised about the number of people who have heard of Shadow people at least.

I had heard about thought forms before, Batty, and that seemed like a logical explaination towards teh 'shadow' shadow people, but its the stories like this that worry me:
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From: "Brian Bethel" (brianbet@camalott.com)
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Subject: Those Darned Black-Eyed Kids

Ghosters:

Well, believe it or not, the Ram Page follow-up still languishes unfinished on my hard drive. I don't know when I'll have it done, and I'll probably have to break it up into multiple posts to get it in any way manageable. Patience, I pray.

But since a lot of people seem to be requesting this one, here's some info on those darned black-eyed kids.

I've just woken up from a mega nap. It's 1 a.m. I'll never get to sleep again. So why not write, eh? I guess I was exhausted from too many forays onto Sixth Street in Austin at my reporting conference.

Enjoy. Or whatever. :)

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I don't really know what I'd call this story if I was submitting it for publication in Fate or something of its ilk. "Brian vs. the Evil, Black-eyed, Possibly Vampiric or Demonic But At Least Not Bloody Normal Kids" doesn't have much of a ring to it. (Shrug.) :)

But that's at least an accurate title.

As so many things do, it all started out innocently.

My Internet Service Provider used to have offices in a shopping center before they moved to their (comparatively) lush accommodations elsewhere. There was a drop box at that original location. The monthly bill was due, and thus, there but for the Grace of the Net I went.

It was about 9:30 p.m. when I left. From my relatively isolated apartments, it's about 10-15 minutes or so to downtown (Abilene has a population of about 110,000).

Right next to Camalott Communications' old location is a $1.50 movie theater. At the time, the place was featuring that masterwork of modern film, Mortal Kombat. I drove by the theater on the way into the center proper and pulled into an empty parking space.

Using the glow of the marquee to write out my check, I was startled to hear a knock on the driver's-side window of my car.

I looked over and saw two children staring at me from street. I need to describe them, with the one feature (you can guess what it was) that I didn't realize until about half-way through the conversation cleverly omitted.

Both appeared to be in that semi-mystical stage of life children get into where you can't exactly tell their age. Both were boys, and my initial impression is that they were somewhere between 10-14.

Boy No. 1 was the spokesman. Boy No. 2 didn't speak during the entire conversation -- at least not in words.

Boy No. 1 was slightly taller than his companion, wearing a pull-over, hooded shirt with a sort of gray checked pattern and jeans. I couldn't see his shoes. His skin was olive-colored and had curly, medium-length brown hair. He exuded an air of quiet confidence.

Boy No. 2 had pale skin with a trace of freckles. His primary characteristic seemed to be looking around nervously. He was dressed in a similar manner to his companion, but his pull-over was a light green color. His hair was a sort of pale orange.

They didn't appear to be related, at least directly.

"Oh, great," I thought. "They're gonna hit me up for money." And then the air changed.

I've explained this before, but for the benefit of any new lurkers out there, right before I experience something strange, there's a change in perception that comes about which I describe in the above manner. It's basically enough time to know it's too late. ;)

So, there I was, filling out a check in my car (which was still running) and in a sudden panic over the appearance of two little boys. I was confused, but an overwhelming sense of fear and unearthliness rushed in nonetheless.

The spokesman smiled, and the sight for some inexplicable reason chilled my blood. I could feel fight-or-flight responses kicking in. Something, I knew instinctually, was not right, but I didn't know what it could possibly be.

I rolled down the window very, very slightly and asked "Yes?"

The spokesman smiled again, broader this time. His teeth were very, very white.

"Hey, mister, what's up? We have a problem," he said. His voice was that of a young man, but his diction, quiet calm and ... something I still couldn't put my finger on ... made my desire to flee even greater. "You see, my friend and I want to see the films, but we forgot our money," he continued. "We need to go to our house to get it. Want to help us out?"

Okay. Journalists are required to talk to lots of people, and that includes children. I've seen and spoken to lots of them. Here's how that usually goes:

"Uh ... M ... M ... Mister? Can I see that camera? I ... I won't break it or anything. I promise. My dad has a camera, and he lets me hold it sometimes, I guess, and I took a picture of my dog -- it wasn's very good, 'cause I got my finger in the way and ..."

Add in some feet shuffling and/or body swaying and you've got a typical kid talking to a stranger.

In short, they're usually apologetic. People generally teach children that when they talk to adults, they're usually bothering them for one reason or another and they should at least be polite.

This kid was in no way fitting the mold. His command of language was incredible and he showed no signs of fear. He spoke as if my help was a foregone conclusion. When he grinned, it was as if he was trying to say, "I know something ... and you're NOT gonna like it. But the only way you're going to find out what it is will be to do what I say ..."

"Uh, well ..." was the best reply I could offer.

Now here's where it starts to get strange.

The quiet companion looked at the spokesman with a mixture of confusion and guilt on his face. He seemed in some ways shocked, not with his friend's brusque manner but that I didn't just immediately open the door.

He eyed me nervously.

The spokesman seemed a bit perturbed, too. I still was registering something wrong with both.

"C'mon, mister," the spokesman said again, smooth as silk. Car salesmen could learn something from this kid. "Now, we just want to go to our house. And we're just two little boys."

That really scared me. Something in the tone and diction again sent off alarm bells. My mind was frantically trying to process what it was perceiving about the two figures that was "wrong."

"Eh. Um ...." was all I could manage. I felt myself digging my fingernails into the steering wheel.

"What movie were you going to see?" I asked finally.

"Mortal Kombat, of course," the spokesman said. The silent one nodded in affirmation, standing a few paces behind.

"Oh," I said. I stole a quick glance at the marquee and at the clock in my car. Mortal Kombat had been playing for an hour, the last showing of the evening.

The silent one looked increasingly nervous. I think he saw my glances and suspected that I might be detecting something was not above-board.

"C'mon, mister. Let us in. We can't get in your car until you do, you know," the spokesman said soothingly. "Just let us in, and we'll be gone before you know it. We'll go to our mother's house."

We locked eyes.

To my horror, I realized my hand had strayed toward the door lock (which was engaged) and was in the process of opening it. I pulled it away, probably a bit too violently. But it did force me to look away from the children.

I turned back. "Er ... Um ...," I offered weakly and then my mind snapped into sharp focus.

For the first time, I noticed their eyes.

They were coal black. No pupil. No iris. Just two staring orbs reflecting the red and white light of the marquee.

At that point, I know my expression betrayed me. The silent one had a look of horror on his face in a combination that seemed to indicate: A) The impossible had just happened and B) "We've been found out!"

The spokesman, on the other hand, wore a mask of anger. His eyes glittered brightly in the half-light.

"Cmon, mister," he said. "We won't hurt you. You have to LET US IN. We don't have a gun ..."

That last statement scared the living hell out of me, because at that point by his tone he was plainly saying, "We don't NEED a gun."

He noticed my hand shooting down toward the gear shift. The spokesman's final words contained an anger that was complete and whole, and yet contained in some respects a tone of panic:

"WE CAN'T COME IN UNLESS YOU TELL US IT'S OKAY. LET ... US .... IN!"

I ripped the car into reverse (thank goodness no one was coming up behind me) and tore out of the parking lot. I noticed the boys in my peripheral vision, and I stole a quick glance back.

They were gone. The sidewalk by the theater was deserted.

I drove home in a heightened state of panic. Had anyone attempted to stop me, I would have run on through and faced the consequences later.

I bolted into my house, scanning all around -- including the sky.

What did I see? Maybe nothing more than some kids looking for a ride.

And some really funky contacts. Yeah, right.

A friend suggested they were vampires, what with the old "let us in" bit and my compelled response to open the door. That and the "we'll go see our mother" thing.

I'm still not sure what they were, but here's an epilogue I find chilling:

I talk about Chad a lot. He's still my best friend, my best ghost-hunting companion and an all-around cool guy. He recently moved to Amarillo, but at the time this happened was still living in San Angelo of Ram Page fame.

I called him and talked to him briefly. He had two female friends with him at the time, both professing some type of psychic ability.

I started telling him the story, leaving out the part about the black eyes for the kicker. One of the women (we were on a speakerphone) stopped me.

"These children had black eyes, right?" she asked. "I mean, all-black eyes?"

"Er ... Yes." I said. I was a bit taken aback.

"Hmmm," she said. "One night last week, I had a dream about children with black eyes. They were outside my house, wanting to be let in, but there was something wrong with them. It took me a while to realize it was the eyes."

I hadn't even gotten as far as them wanting to come in.

"What did you do?" I asked.

"I kept the doors and windows locked," she said. "I knew if they came in, they would kill me."

She paused.

"And they would have killed you, too, if you had let them into your car."

So, from this extra-long post, we have three unanswered questions:

A) What did I see?

B) What would have happened if I opened my car door?

C) Why does Chad always get the cool psychic chicks? ;)

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I can easily believe that the shadow people could be aspects of one persons personal demons or somebody elses ill intentions, but its when there are the occasional stories like this that surface do i start to think.

Obviously those children had some purpose to interacting with the journalist, and the things were paired together. Now think back to all those stories about Men In Black (no not the movie) :) and how in reports about them, they seemed to have some sort of purpose or mission. They seemed organised.

The reason i felt that these beings are malevolent is to do with the atmosphere they give off in encounters. Not just the black, the feeling to get as far away from these people as possible.

The first time i had an encounter with what i think was a shadow person, i was returning to my room from the hallway one night, in the dark, when i look over to the room at the far end of the hall. I never felt like i liked that room, or being near it, and im certain i'd seen things coming in and out at night when i used to sleep with my door open. Suddenly, i froze on the spot and couldnt move. I felt myself wanting to scream for no apparent reason, and couldnt take my eyes from the doorway. I felt myself begin to walk backwards into my room, in pitch black, still making a low "murrr" noise instead of screaming my head off, terrified. I walked backwards into my open cubboard, and suddenly woke up in my bed. I'd had a few other experiences such as that, all around the same time, where id encounter a feeling of total fear, crawl out of my bed and suddenly wake back in it again some time later, still at night. That was my own encounter with the shadow things. They all stopped after a while, and havent felt them since.

Yeah, sorry for the meladromadic Lovecraftian first post too :)


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Man, Lovecraftian mythology is such a tricky thing... It's the ultimate sanity check. His mythology while extremely fantastic, a lot of it also seems very possible. Was he just tapping into common archetypes that we can relate to, or did Lovecraft know a little something that we don't?

Given the prevalence of dark entities in the mythology of all ages, I think it's reasonable do assume there is something out there. Demon, ghoul, shadow person, grey alien... I wonder if these are all the same thing? Different labels for dark energy. I think Tulpas could go a long way in describing this sort of phenomena. On a quantum level your thoughts are molding dark energy. Or maybe dark energy is actually regular energy, the oneness, which has been changed to dark energy because of the intention put upon it.

On the other hand, if they are very real entities from other dimensions, planets, times, or whatever, that's pretty scary stuff. But I suppose a Tulpa is in the end just as real. Just in that scenario we should be able to have a lot more control.



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Yeah, sorry for the meladromadic Lovecraftian first post too :)


There's no need to apologize for melodramatic Lovecraftiness. :)

Some of my own posts are quite a bit more melodramatic in tone I think, lol. I actually enjoy reading all the stories he wrote and think there might be some truth to what he said though. I just don't know to what degree it might be applicable. Some of these entities do work together and it points to them being in some sort of hierarchy, but I'm not sure how far that particular rabbit hole goes. I've seen tall things wearing hooded robes which directed shadow people and smaller imp-like spirits as if the hooded thing was an officer in a normal military. They always stay in the background and give orders, and they usually try to run when things get bad for their servants. On a few occasions one has shown up to play all by itself, but they mostly seem to like placing their subordinates in the line of fire while they stand back observing the results.

I encounter some types of entities in dreams often. Whenever I go into a lucid dream all I have to do is look out for the parts of the dream that are not under my control. An imaginary person in a dream will disappear if you will it, for example, but some things can't be controlled in such a manner. I think that it means they are spirits as real as I am. I believe that it means they're there by their own choice, and their own mind is controlling part of the dream too.


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Never posted because I haven't experienced very much that I could say absolutely without question was supernatural, but I have seen 'shadow people' at least twice during sleep paralysis. They even spoke. However, I wasn't terrified to my very core (or DNA), so I'd say the fear would originate with the experiencer and not necessarily be the intentions of these beings, whatever they may be. Obviously, I wasn't harmed either.


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stareilleyes wrote:
Never posted because I haven't experienced very much that I could say absolutely without question was supernatural, but I have seen 'shadow people' at least twice during sleep paralysis. They even spoke. However, I wasn't terrified to my very core (or DNA), so I'd say the fear would originate with the experiencer and not necessarily be the intentions of these beings, whatever they may be. Obviously, I wasn't harmed either.


Welcome to the Book of Thoth, star. :)

You're probably right in that a lot of the fear caused by some of these things isn't intentional. I haven't been harmed in any way by some of the things I've encountered too, but I still don't like seeing them.


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stareilleyes wrote:
Never posted because I haven't experienced very much that I could say absolutely without question was supernatural, but I have seen 'shadow people' at least twice during sleep paralysis. They even spoke. However, I wasn't terrified to my very core (or DNA), so I'd say the fear would originate with the experiencer and not necessarily be the intentions of these beings, whatever they may be. Obviously, I wasn't harmed either.


Welcome Star :) I would tend to agree with your assesment of shadow people, but as I have never experienced them I truly don't know.

The thingy I dealt with had less than good intentions though, so like everything else you cannot lump all this stuff together. To be honest I don't like thinking about it too long, but I prolly should. :-?



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Welcome too, star. I agree that perhaps when dealing with beings which give off the sense of dread that we've been talking about (shadow people, etc), they may not want to give off that reaction in people in their encounters.
But if that is so, then why are they trying to hide it? Because they want to have benevolent encounters with people? But then why would we fear them in that way to begin with, if their intentions are good? I suppose it could be an individual thing for the type of being, or even the individual being itself, but that sleep paralyisis affect they have on us might be there for a good reason.

To put it simply, what if they dont want to give off the sleep paralyisis effect because it interferes with their interaction with people? It might not mean that they have bad intentions but it doesnt mean that they couldnt.


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I have had experience with a Short Hooded creature and though it did not do anything harmful it was done in the middle of the night after everyone was supposed to be a sleep. How many people have seen the hooded creature during the day?? My point is anything that sneaks into your room or your home in the middle of the night is not there for any good reason. I would not give these creatures the benefit of the doubt! I have not experienced any shadow people.


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I have ridden within the Chupacabra, at times.

It is an interesting creature.

The Mothman is also interesting to ride within.

I have spoken with others who deliberately scare people. I find such behaviour quite juvenile, and without merit. It is interesting to work with one's skills, but to scare others is child's play. They should respect the gifts they have.


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ProphMaji - You say you have ridden with these creatures.. What does that mean are you psychic?


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We all are, to one degree or another. Finding your specific gift's strengths is only potentially part of your path in this given lifetime.

You are a searcher, as we all are. Even the blind search. For what they do not know. This does not mean the task of the blind is to search - and they blindly do nothing. It may very well be their task to be blind.

You are here as you know there is something to search for, and have decided to make the attempt.

If there is anything there to discover, it will come of it's own volition, at the appropriate time. Be open, but not foolish...is the main point.


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As written an mind you I have meet with dark Shadows they scare the poop out of me

Quote
FROM THE
SECRET BOOK OF DZYAN.

[[Vol. 1, Page 26]]
Nor Aught nor Nought existed; yon bright sky
Was not, nor heaven's broad roof outstretched above.
What covered all? what sheltered? what concealed?
Was it the water's fathomless abyss?
There was not death -- yet there was nought immortal,
There was no confine betwixt day and night;
The only One breathed breathless by itself,
Other than It there nothing since has been.
Darkness there was, and all at first was veiled
In gloom profound -- an ocean without light --
The germ that still lay covered in the husk
Burst forth, one nature, from the fervent heat.
. . . . . . . .
Who knows the secret? who proclaimed it here?
Whence, whence this manifold creation sprang?
The Gods themselves came later into being --
Who knows from whence this great creation sprang?
That, whence all this great creation came,
Whether Its will created or was mute,
The Most High Seer that is in highest heaven,
He knows it -- or perchance even He knows not."
"Gazing into eternity . . .
Ere the foundations of the earth were laid,
. . . . .
Thou wert. And when the subterranean flame
Shall burst its prison and devour the frame . . .
Thou shalt be still as Thou wert before
And knew no change, when time shall be no more.
Oh! endless thought, divine ETERNITY."


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screwloose wrote:
ProphMaji - You say you have ridden with these creatures.. What does that mean are you psychic?



To finally answer your question..to go 'OBE'... (Out of Body)....to travel to where they are..and step within. Commonly known as a 'rider' ...but without the standard exorcism issues and evil intent. A little bit stronger than the idea of putting someone else's dirty underwear on. :P

And please, dear reader (if and when one might be reading this)..as one gets to the point where they begin to understand these things, in the absolute real sense..please don't mistake your flailing and dying ego (the ego MUST go to for one to truly be clear on multi-dimensional existence) as some sort of rider within you. It IS, but it is merely fighting for it's survival. Ie., a part of you is dying. The idea of stark individuality, singular existence.. and linear time, is part of it. The Kundalini energies that allow for the intensity of the experiences and the understanding in the intellect, must also pass through the barrier of the dying ego, which is below the conscious mind, for the greater extent.


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Forgive the intrusion. Signing off. Bye


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Hi BodyBaggs :)

I do not believe that ProphMaji is around any longer. Perhaps someone will be by who has some idea what he was talking about and can answer your question.

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