The Book Of THoTH

Hey there - thanks for your feedback!

I think a key for me is learning to let go and surrender the ole ego. You mentioned you believe in three faces of nature, and perhaps I'm seeing the 'hag' for whatever reason. That's an interesting idea to think over...

"all in good time" I reckon...

Definitely will be a great help, hopefully as this becomes easier you get more rewards from The Lady! If you do any dreamwork-I find it aides the process if you work with integration of the archetypes. Dreamwork and Entheogen work can be very similar and complement each other well. I hope the journey is fruitful for you

I think the better sites have been posted on this thread, and my notes are a little tricky to get to for now (yay for unpacking) so i'll leave it at that, as I think (hope) that the ideas we've discussed will be what you needed

Far and away the most intense experience I have ever had was when I took mescalin from a san pedro cactus. I saw visuals the likes of which I didn't believe possible. I saw a pile of sticks morph into a coyote- completely realistic, richly detailed right down to the glistening in its eyes. After 16 hours, I was still seeing fractal energy and feeling full of energy and love.

I made sure to remember that feeling, and when I awoke the next day my perception of colours remained far brighter than before, and I had a new found appreciation of the world. It's easy to get pulled back into the demands of daily life in western society, so I can't really maintain that feeling of peace indefinitely, but to this day (4 years later) the enhancement of my visual perception has not faded

Today 8-11-07, I visited a place known as astral space. I had smoked some
salvia with a friend. He took his hit and felt nothing so he said. But
then I took my hit and soon after holding it I left what I know as
physical self and then this place id like to refer to as vast emptiness. I
was there with my fried in though rather than person. I had came to
realize that " it seemed to be we are not as we appear to are self's.
Witch is more of a type of virtual reality." We are a whole as one bigger
entity. While I was out of body everything had melted away but what I
couldn't physical see which I remember as my face. Soon I began to realize
that the world, as we know it has Meany paths. It was like I could choose
one and leave this one. But I was afraid, I think that if I left this one
there would be no return and my physical self would "die" in a sense.
There was another voice with me that was not friend or in the room with us
and my friend was explaining us to it... It asked if this was his first
time and my friend answered with no, we did it the other night. The night
before I had a similar experience but I didn't explore it as far. This
time I explored to a point where I believe I was close to no return. I
soon pull my self back. This was one of my longer explorations. It was
over a half hour. Which seemed to be hours and hours. I see that us as one
large lone entity making millions of consciousnesses, and at the same time
making us smarter generation by generation. I guess this would be a way to
keep busy in a vast emptiness. I also see why mankind as we know it, their
is dajavu and physic's. I feel if we learn too much on this astral space
that we may be in for are doom also know as the last day or judgment day!
The feeling I got during this episode was similar to swimming on
sandpaper, or being poked with needles all over, but in a dull sense. Also
when I was pulling back I was sweating all over profusely.

Mastemrind,
Great post. I could not of have explained it better. For I have once swam in the "sandpaper". The expirience seems more then real evey time. It's quiet "awwing" like first encounter... But for some odd reason... like if my brain holds back. I tend to forget all about it. I feel Like not evey person should know about it or is not able to understand. And unwillingly it's blocked out of my mind.
And what if it is all true... Why do I feel like I dont want to remember.

Who would want to know or remember, i'v talked to my friend.. he told me i tried to walk over him, as in my post, i tried to go to the other path of being. at that point is where i fell down. and saw my self on the ground lieing there. Then i felt the collective knowlege of everyone and everything. all and all one large being, Alone in vast emptyness! That is a Good reason to forget!

Every time I go in, I bring back a little more knowledge/memory from the experience. But what I always seem to experience when I go in, is a sort of, "oh yeah, I remember this, OH SH!T!!" What's out there, if legit, is a very scary prospect. The salvia realm always seems very familiar to me, like I have been going there my whole life, but never remember until I get there, and forget when I leave. So strange....

Whoa, this painting totally nails the salvia experience:

http://www.mpm7.com/PNTG/205J.jpg

He's got a huge gallery of paintings that are quite amazing:

http://www.mpm7.com

Wow!! You got that right! That painting definitely brought some memories back from some of my experiences...

Thanks!

V.

I've actually never tried it yet but I have a cutting I ordered growing here in my living room and I have managed to order 5x extract from Ebay...Quite simple to get a hold of..This cutting grows like crazy so that could be a good investment..

I know it can be similar to DMT which is the next thing I am planning on extracting...I am looking forward to this especially...Although I might get a longer experience by ingesting the Ayahuasca form of DMT..I'll post again after trying the 5x extract...

My experiences would have to be filed under.. "eh."

The biggest problem for me is the physical part. There's always a cold sweat sensation and general discomfort to the point where even the feeling of my clothes begin to irritate me.

As far as mental experience, I like others have had.. something.. communicate with me telepathically. It also feels as if a magnet is drawing me in a certain direction. In the woods I even heard something telling me to "come this way." Where to and for what purpose I haven't a clue. Also, it always looks as if reality is folding in around me. So, yeah.. interesting experience, but wish it would feel a tad more pleasant while it was occurring. I'm not sure how potent mine was, but I didn't turn into a tree or see anything turning into anything else so it must not have been as much as others have had.

Well I saw this thread and couldn't resist.

I've tried a fair range of substances over the years, and I have to say that Salvia is my favorite. It seems I am exceptionally sensitive to its effects, as with low dosage, low extract, on my first try I went WELL beyond the outer-limits so to speak.

Anyways, Salvia's the only substance I'll do, because each trip I've taken has been so enlightening. Not to mention the duration is fairly short, severe time-dilation aside, and I don't care for the long-duration of other substances.

Good stuff!

-Beelzebozo

All this can be discovered via natural means.

For those who cannot see regardless, the blackness ensues. Their developmental state prevents it.

For those who may see, Salvia presents an immediate, enforced doorway.

This is not always healthy, preparation works best. As you have noted.

It is good to have a shortcut for the inquisitive, if it is needed.

Was reading the other day an interview with A Shulgin about Salvia D. and how groups of people were eating other varieties (species?)of the plant to discover psychoactive properties....pretty amazing how much is still to be discovered.

My first experience with SD was bizarre/scary. 2 or 3 hits from a pipe and I could feel this spinning motion as if I was being swung around on the end of a rope, and being drawn to the earth at the same time. I was transported back to my hometown...strange I thought, what am I doing here? Then suddenly I was aware of breaking through some sort of skin which kept me from 'the world as it really is'. At this point I was jumping around like mad, much to the dismay of my friend who was sitting for me.On the 'other side' were some people and family I'd grown up with who were celebrating that I'd finally broken through.
Unfortunately soon after SD was scheduled and withdrawn from sale

Definitely a plant which I'd like to get re-acquainted with. A DMT/SD/psilo. mushroom combo could get interesting.

Hmm was reading some of the recent posts and am surprised that people are overall positive about the plant. My experiences have been both disturbing and enlightening, but not something that I would want to do very often at all. In fact just thinking about it right now makes me very ill.

Nonetheless I appreciate my experiences. I once did the foolish thing of doing it alone, during which I began to lift up reality. As I tried to lift it up however I realized I was attatched to a chain, as if it was some kind of fabric. I became one with the room really, as typical furniture looked just like other human beings who were holding my arm, keeping me tied to reality. I was trying to break free, but they didn't want me to. Then I remembered I had smoked salvia and came back to reality - slowly, of course.

The second time was similar. I made the mistake of sitting against a couch and nudged a bit in the cushions. Naturally this produced similar effects, so I was "knotted" into a reality fabric. I tried to get out and eventually did - this had the effect of "taking" my friend's life, who was also tripping. She experienced something that was sort of like limbo, and as I ripped myself from reality the others were pointing that because of that my friend fell out of reality. I quickly moved to another part of reality, apparently in an effort to keep her from falling. I was successful, and then realised that I had smoken salvia and that it had all only been the trip. I burst into laughter - a loud, extraordinary laughter that lasted a long time and was greater than any laugh I had laughed in years. It was amazing, because the emotions were so strong and felt as if each moment was a decision between life and death.

I don't regret the experiences, but it's a strange world, I'd just as gladly stick to this one, for now.

Makes no nevermind - both worlds are one and the same. Your 3-D high density enforced amnesiac consideration of this existence (the thing that is reading this sentence right now) enforces the idea of the 'worlds' being separate. Nothing could be further from the truth.

This is what I'm thinking...

I just tried the 5x 2 days ago and it was pretty discombobulating...
It lasted maybe 3 minutes but was very uncomfortable...almost too real.

I remember feeling like I was in the body or cells of myself and hearing myself say something very loudly that was too familiar but I couldn't make it out...I was in motion and when my body moved the tiny me in my cells or brain felt like it was being ripped out of our normal reality...

I went into this void ...I was ripped into this void as I was looking at my friend next to me it seemed like a big joke..I grabbed his arm and told him not to let me go because I was being pulled like a sticker off a banana into this void..

I remember seeing my family and they were laughing at me and waving me into this side of their world and gesturing to me that I had messed up pretty bad and had to start all over again...

It definitely dehumanizes the person smoking it because I really felt like that void was somewhere in between birth/death/limbo...Everything in my life was for nothing and this was showing me something important but I can't describe it in human language.

I hope this dimension doesn't really exist because it was very depressing and it seemed like there was a force I couldn't fight off..maybe like being sucked into it like a vacuum..

I smoked a smaller bowl right before that and it made me paralyzed on one side and lean sideways..I was trying to tell my friend not to smoke it while I still had motor skills but only laughter would come out..It was like the drug had a mind of its own I felt posessed..

anyway I plan to use it again to finish the episode I pulled myself out of last time...I heard it continues itself everytime you use it..But it wasn't fun and I knew that before I smoked it..I just wanted some kind of enlightenment I guess...

Just had a conversation about this. If your idea is about "fighting" the established rules. Then by god you will walk up to the wall and behold it. You will behold it in all it's technicolor glory and yet you will be only seeing the wall.

The sadness I feel at this endeavor is accepting the consequences before you have accepted the "idea" that it is a journey. You feel you are navigators in a landscape that has never been plummeted and you feel that this is the only way to get there.

We are all landscapes to be plummeted and when you "agree" to navigate a certain way...you agree to knowing only a certain way. Salvia is a defined path and if you are willing to walk a defined path then by all means know that and partake.

But if you want a serious trip and you are willing to forego all boundaries. Then just ask. Not me...yourself.

I am totally unsure about whether this has been posted or not but I only just found out that my e-book is just a website in disguise...

http://www.sagewisdom.org/

is the best reference material on S.divinorum i've seen. I've had this in E-book form for a couple of years and still haven't finished reading through it.

Soon to embark on my second Salvia journey of the year & hoping that the media talk isn't going to take this lovely plant away from me,
Dollhouse.

My first out of body experience was with Salvia 80x

Me and friend never smoked it before and I riped a long one from my water pipe, and the next thing I know I set my bong down and the wall jumps out and eats my buddy and then attacks me, throws me outside and rolls me around on the grass. It was nuts because the whole time I forgot I smoked anything and I was just simply losing my mind haha. My second trip was later that day and I watched the carpet eat me.


Salvia is one hell of a crazy yet interesting phenomenon to experience. The only thing why alot of people dont have it is because the government slaps a huge tag on it!

My experiences with psilocybe mushrooms have been clear from the start. And my two encounters smoking Salvia divinorum on the other hand have been too intense. First time I just went out of perspective and kind of phased out. The next I went into frame-tunnel vision and walked downstairs, which implied little meaning other than letting my folks know that the Salvia told me to tell them about the occurence .

So I wouldn't suggest smoking it, especially the high concentrations. I would rather just get a leaf of it and stick it in my mouth for a nice walk around some nature.

Reading some more literature & listening to some more Mckenna, found some neat things out to mention...

Orally active? yes. Gastronomically active? not really.

I like what Olembe is saying for respecting the subtle appreciation salvia can give to normal life - but the tunnel and overwhelming sense is just the beginning! Indeed, chewing some leaves and letting them seep into the gum rather then swallowing, seems to be yet another trick reserved for the dedicated. I also believe this of shrooms. Mastication can lead to some serious visions.
I have not had a chance to try a proper synergy, but expect to try chewing and smoking with my next mushroom medit(c)ation. Understand I prefer to do high doses rarely & quest for visions.

In that light, it seems that shamans combined ayahuasca, (namely the MAOI of the brew, the harmine combination with proper fasting) to GREATLY enhance the effects. I'm no chemist, but it seems to me the brew would also help to keep the salvinorum from being broken down in the body. Thus it would allow for much longer (though possibly less potent?) meditations. But we must remember both are good tools for measuring life.

The great advantage of the synergy is the transmutation & the information from it. Thus far, combinations that worked for visionary purposes with salvia were several types of shrooms, lysergic acid diethylamide, lysergic acid amide, dextromorphan, datura, diphenhydramine, cetirizine, henbane... and possibly many more. These to my mind are the most immediate. One could say opiates uppers etc, but these visions do not seem reliable, & often the paranoia evoked is overwhelming. However, combined with an array of illness the effects with painkillers, I am told, can be spectacular to the point of life-changing.
In light of noting these as advanced causes of hallucination, please note that they are not always positive by any means. It takes certain mind-sets for each combination.

For instance:

salvia + diphenhydramine is incredibly powerful. If a group can maintain a sort of force of mind, egoless yet with will & intention, they can communicate over a long distance as though they are in the same room. As amazing as that might sound, let me tell you all, one of the greater pains to feel is to achieve this and have no other way back to it. It is difficult to duplicate as it merely takes one person being a little paranoid, or cold, or thinking they turned into a giant dragon stretched around the living room & laughing hysterically, to ruin the whole thing, and send the focused individual into an explosion of glossolalia. Often, the diphen. is so intense that one starts to find all their worst fears coming true; not because its a "bad trip," but rather because the inexperienced neo-shaman called all these bad things by worrying about them, and thus making them the focus of the vision. In this case not only do you get what you ask for, but you get it in the worst way you need it! I cannot reccommed this combination to any save those whom already suffered allergies all their lives and need this sort of understanding, and reading. Using salvia on deliriants like datura is the equivalent of going to another culture with a new language & a million people gather around to you to whisper your utmost hopes and fears, and salvia is your translator, but she only speaks in visions.

Even so, one can conquer fear and disorientation to befriend both substance and effectively use it to enter the bodies of animals, objects and it would seem even people, and maybe even entire environments by switching between. This is easiest on fast chemical substances. The speed helps you to perform these ancient practices. However, though it is quick to transmute, it is sloppy, reckless, dangerous (who knows what shamans *see* our experiments) & for me uncontrollable. It is much better to approach this with consistency of achievement in mind, and for that all the more natural substance stand out far above and beyond their synthesis so long as the shaman does proper meditation, movements and thoughts.

So having said that, I would say the best way to go for the extreme is salvia and ayahuasca or mushrooms. You cannot overdose on salvia and mushrooms (reasonably, everything is dangerous).
It is hard to harm oneself on dmt & salvia or ayahuasca, however because of the MAOI remember that Proper health and diet, fasting and preparation saves lives. In other words, one can take ayahuasca and salvia for months in the right conditions. But much like a vegan of years accidentally being slipped meat, the shaman of good discipline can cause permanent damage to body and brain by interrupting a fasting meditation with a mere cheeseburger.

Also, on a final note, I'd like to revisit technique one more time for those having lackluster results.

Something new that I've started doing with this last batch of 40x extract is, because its so potent and because salvinorum dissipates at such a relatively low & high temperature for a smoke, is to layer the mixture with ganja.

A 6 ft. bong is far too long (smoke can't make it too lungs fast enough to fill chamber)
A pipe is far too short unless a hybrid bubbler that is well-made.

A great size is 6"-18" (depending on your lung capacity and ability to take a hot hit)
Layer the bowl so that a small amount of pot is on bottom to hold the hash and keep it stable.
The top layer should be enough that it protects the salvia from the initial lighting which is too hot.
It should be enough ganja to help light the salvia evenly without getting one stoned...
{the two argue with each other and you will feel much more satisfied to smoke just ganja, smoke this layered bowl with almost no ganja for your trip, and then a follow-up bowl of pure ganja. Half-and-half is a mistake as you won't feel stoned due to the overpowering salvia, but you won't get the visions either typically.}

Now, with well-layered small b0ng or large water-pipe in hand, get a sitter or a good stand for a table piece so that i won't fall. Also, get yourself in a position where you won't fall -entire trips can be wasted on worrying about comfort.

Smoke the entire bowl as quickly as possible. Do not hesitate or even let the smoke reside for more then a second or two in the chamber. Each moment of hesitation from fire to lungs is precious salvinorum lost. Hold the entire rip for as long as possible. Take another full chamber and hold that for a few seconds less. Then take a third hearty white-walled rip (if they weren't all that way already) and hold that pure salvia in. If it worked you should forget you're smoking. Normal reality should be displaced or greatly exagerrated to the point that motor skills no longer function (thus the careful preparation.

If you're not going out of body... You're talking about something else. If the world isn't altered in some way unspeakable, keep trying, work on your methodology. This one DOES pay off practicing. This one also rewards good intent & clear thoughts. Think of your worries, they will be there. Think of your dog, you will be your dog. Think of how earth feels, you will be given a pulse. Think of you and you will see no further. Think of earth, the universe, others, and there may be no psychic limitation for the visions of salvia. Even emotions for inanimate objects.

Just wanted to say, too, how good it feels to be gone for so long and come back to find this thread.
Great to see such positive belief and good experimentation. I hear now salvia can be found around the world and I couldn't be happier. Its great to see so many cool experiences. Let me promise you all that the layers beyond are well worth the time and effort, & that many combinations thereof can be utilized for positive shamanic practice & understanding.

I would like to encourage salvia as a go-to for synergy of other spiritual plants and experiences. Salvia while stoned or tripping is wonderful. Salvia in small smoke doses or chewed is perfect for many modern styles of meditation. Also, like shrooms in small doses, can be used to learn or create, with a range of variation from sports to art, healing & active excercise.

In all you do, if you need to see a truth, salvia divinorum is a reliable plant for reflection and contemplation, for divination & evocation, transmutation & travel.

Truly we owe more thanks to the natives whom saved these medicinal-spiritual plants then perhaps any on earth. The future will foretell just how much they did to save us all, in the end, from ourselves.

-- o and BTW that "uncomfortable feeling" or the cold scaliness or whatever you what to call the feeling the salvia gives you... don't complain... that is the tactile hallucination of your to be transmuted subject; that's how you know its working!!!--

Thanks for the added info Oneiromancer. I have seen it for sale in a local shop, as a weed smoker I thought maybe I would give it a go, but seeing as it has contraindication with loads of meds, two of which you mentioned I am going to steer clear.

Hmmm idk about contraindication... more like an amplification that some find unpleasant, while others excel. None are absolute contraindication: only very powerful.

So don't let me discourage you! These are warnings. I've used salvia on all aforementioned substances safely, that's why I can talk about them. I am quite capable of amazing things on some of these combos, but at what cost? Maintaining an ability to divine is just as much a curse as a gift. ]
If you did everything I suggested like I have, the other promise I can make, is that these abilities unpracticed can seep out randomly into the notorious "flash-back" or worse things that never were and never will happen, or worse yet still, things that are real and inexplicable. It requires discipline I don't have to maintain a real world view and these visions when combined with dextromorphan or diphenhydramine or cetirizine but such is my lot in life! I swore up and down at first that it did nothing, simply because I was already too high avoiding allergies! Reality is elusive, truth is variant. It took the lsd combination and salvia for me to *see* that I was always hallucinating, stuck in a mad life that I didn't make, & get me to regulate my pharmaceuticals in an approiate way.

So what can I say... it saved my life as much as ganja. salvia is a hero teacher and friend.

For me, the effects are desired. Salvia helped me to have clarity in what was already a fog of allergy medicines. When one is so numb that it takes a synergy to alert them of their toxicity it seems the new drug usually gets the blame. My extended research has shown me otherwise. It is not really salvia that requires caution, dextromorphan or diphenhydramine do. All the pharmaceuticals I mentioned have a relatively high LD 50. Salvia is perfectly safe in any dose... in fact smoking it all day more often then not results in less visuals, though a sort of mello feeling replaces that. The only way you could get ill from salvia is overconsumption on the level of dieing from eating too much of a mint.

Salvia's main issue is the same as any psychedelic: it dissolves boundaries. Some would prefer things the way they are. diphenhydramine is a psychadelic in that its a deliriant. dextromorphan is by means of disassociation. Both are very different compounds, yet both will increase the power of the vision. This also means the level of the shaman must be mature enough to deal with a salvia hallucination materializing from places that are almost contra intuitive for synergy, yet none the less, are powerful beyond what most will even live to see and experience. I could never describe the combination of fear and bliss properly...

Suffice it to say that the "bad" trips make me a better person, and the "good" trips do, too.

Ok Doky
The last time I partook of mushrooms was about 15yrs ago. I had such a bad trip, there and then I decided not to touch them anymore, is very hard to do, as they grow all over here where I live in Scotland, practically everywhere there is grass growing. No luck.

That makes my day that they have a rare almost extinct non-seeding south american folk-plant in Scotland in a local shop~

It is an epoch from another age, a time-capsule.
This is about to contradict a lot of what I mentioned before. It is difficult to both be enthusiastic and weary; I am trying to entertain both.

Use it with some good-old ancient Scot lore of henbane (i think, right? perhaps belladonna) and you'll find you can *see* the times when the ancients there transmuted, too.

If we can say that Shelldrake's theory of morphic fields and morphic resonance is true, then a vast wealth of information is stored in the scopolamine like substance. Another is stored in salvia, perhaps older, yet smaller in human resonance, perhaps more full of environment and animalistic sensation. I attribute both to surviving massive invasions throughout history; most notably the traditions that now overwhelm with song and lore. So scary visions or not, they are all real parts of our ancestors and worth consideration if not dedication to understanding. I therefore believe both to protect & give power, weighed with karma as each may be.

I know above I warned against what I'm saying now. But whenever I hear it might be heritage, its more like a sacred right. I know very well my ancestors have used scopolamine in various forms for ages due to our shamanic record & genetic vulnerability to allergens. It is practical for my life. It is likely that you could have similar attributions within your genetics that allow you to withstand the power of the vision so that you can understand the message. A sort of missing the forest for the trees type thing.

Please take me with a grain of salt~ everyone is different. At this level we are talking genetics so it can get racy (jus for example, it is a little known fact that native american genetics process DXM into DXO turning what most races would experience as a few hours of anesthesia into a few weeks of hallucinations & extreme disassociation to the world). But I'd like to help as much as protect. I feel like the validity of our ancestors memories justifies the risks of experimenting slowly and learning what one's body likes, what the limits are. In this case I am talking about a sort of proto-Gaelic(Tuathan? haha) genetic predisposition and tolerance.

Most of the proto-civilizations around the world that had access to the deliriants could talk to each other as we can, surely. But i imagine that they were just as confused as most who try to divine. Imagine being an Aztec shaman and channeling a proto-Gaelic shaman. Or perhaps a Nepalese Tibetan accidentally channeling US from 6000+ years ago.
Remember that it was popular in ancient egypt for women to dialate their eyes with belladona extract because it was a sign of beauty! Who knows what is stored there???
Alexandria did not yet burn for their eyes, if only we but had the ability to look through them and read!

And as far as my own discipline takes me I get flashes, glimpses.

Salvia does something very magical to this database.
Instead of the random constant glossolalia of personal perspectives...
We get read outs more attuned to the environment the person is in, the spirits around them, the elementals that connect to them. Together they give us fractal statistical analysis of even the most trite or seemingly useless visions.

Once again, progressive experimentation with low doses is the only way to learn.
But once precaution has been followed, the world one can open is so vast...
Transmutation, divination & i believe later evocation should all be paths from these two.
I would even suspect some sort of geomantic telekinesis of sorts with more help.
Also can't stress clarity of mind enough here. Any of these have the capability to show you too much... enough to ruin any life with just visions and memories of them. Becoming a raving derelict is a real fear to respect. As is falling in love with animal form... one can simply intend not to come back and never come back... resulting in coma or death. Once you begin the synergies, it is real shamanism. Especially in more advanced topical applications and root extracts, one must practice a difficult life of meditation that will become different from what most consider normal. And this isn't even to mention the native beliefs that you are vulnerable to the dead you see killing you as well as other shamans attacking you while an animal. There is a trick to intention and will that somehow protect the soul, but those are the individual strife of the shaman coming to terms with ego. Few understand just how deadly this ego thing can be.
Datura more then any will bolster an ego. It can make you believe you hear words you do not, make you believe you are talking with those who are not present, and you can have no recollection.
Salvia tends to be opposite. It will crush the biggest ego. I've seen it send seasoned drug addicts into tears, running in paranoid fear. I've seen it take seasoned psychadelicists and make them beg for mercy. Alternatively I've seen people laugh for 20 minutes and forget what was so funny. I've seen the range of every emotion, & it was all just always a reflection all along of the person smoking it.
Together they are a frightening tribal right of a shaman seeking the mystery. Every person ever slain, every animal to ever decompose, every pant to recycle, every sediment to crumble~ yet how these all connect to each birth, everyone ever saved, every living plant and animal... somehow this is all in salvia.

I guess some of us need the extreme contradiction to know its all ok.
I can't live without these plants.
Still, more then anything, as always, I say smoke ganja & it will help you decide.

Yay Oneiromancer is back!

hahaha i had to take a couple years to digest the truth of what everyone here talks about.
lots and lots of research for me!
ty lol good to be here =)

A few months ago I used for the first time, Salvia Divinorum ( smoked )...I experienced varoius visual and auditory hallucinations, one of which, I woman appeared to me and said that she had been waiting for me. I experienced a bit of sweating and weird skin sensations. The next day I awakened with terrible chest pains...The pain was so unbearable and so I decided to call an ambulance to come and take me to the nearest hospital. Of course the paramedics questioned me, asking me if I had ever used drugs, and of course, I said no. To cut to the chase, while in the ambulance the paramdic took my blood pressure and it was at 185/170...I had never in my entire life had any problems with high blood pressure, or any other illness for that matter....I was admitted to the hospital and placed on the cardic ward, where the ran tests on me. The treated me with norvasc for two days and this eventaually took my blood pressure down to low...My doctor took me off of norvasc to see what happened and my blood pressure went back to its normal state 120/80...He told me that I was lucky becuase I could have had a heart attack...I never mentioned to him that I had used Salvia Divinorum, even though I had a feeling that it was what caused the spike in my blood pressure. I spent nearly a week in the hospital and when I was released I was instructed to follow up with my private physician. After returning home from the hospital I decided to do a little research on Salvia Divinorum and found that it can cause the blood pressure to spike in certain indiviudals. I just had to share this story with all of you...If I had not had that horrible experieicne, I would have definitely used Salvia Divinorum again...


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