The Book Of THoTH

Hello everyone! This is my first post here on BOT. I havn't been a member for very long, but boy i wish i had. It's so wonderful to know that there is a place for like minded people to share ideas and experiences of the paranormal.

The reason I'm posting today:

Ever since i was a child, I have had visitations by other worldly beings. Not so much through my teenage years, but as an infant through my early childhood i was visited quite often. These visitation occur still today but not nearly as often, and they are often left open ended, leaving me with the question of did this all really take place.

I know there are skeptics out there. Even some of my closest friends are skeptical. Others of course are very interested by my story and ask question after question.

Honestly the first place i had ever heard of an alien or extra dimensional being was my mother. she too has had numerous contacts with "ETs" her entire life. This fact has often made me think there is something about the genes that pass on from mother to child. Or at least something in my family's case. There are just too many cases down my family tree. Which also makes me think maybe this is just what happens to a numerous amount of people around the world, they're just to afraid or confused to come forward.

My main question though:

In your opinion, why do these contacts occur? What are the reasons behind them? Are they to benefit us in a mental sense? Or possibly just to prepare us for something we are not entirely aware of?

I never know what my thoughts on this are, they vary. I've heard some very compelling cases indeed, and others not so. This is in daily living rather than just hearing about them on the net or in a magazine or whatever.

In a simplistic way, mankind needs to grow out of the adolescent stage, to realise that we're a part of something much bigger. Contactee/abduction seems to be a psychological trigger to filter into the collective unconscious that we could well be not alone.

A lesson way overdue, when we stepped on the moon with those first astronauts, that changed perception to a large degree, but like most things we take it as commonplace now. It's no big deal that the space shuttle lands, or that it's been out into space, we're so wrapped up in perpetuating the familiar that we can't see beyond the end of our own noses sometimes. I think contact whether physical or spiritual is a reminder of place.

If there is to be a radical change in perception in terms of our place in the cosmos, then I say it would probably need to occur gradually, the human race isn't good with major shocks to the system, just look at what atrocities occur over a difference in belief.

I get the impression therefore that it is an exercise to either acclimatise us to the reality of extraterrestrial beings, or more simply a spiritual/subconscious exercise in our perception of place and purpose.

Just my 2 cents

OK, I don't expect very many people to agree with this or maybe even understand it, but I'll post it anyway and hope that people will think about it for a while before reacting to it.

Every time I hear of an abduction story I can't help but think, "Now they know what it's like for laboratory animals, being imprisoned and experimented on against their will."

I have yet to hear of an abductee who came to espouse animal rights, however. Maybe there are some, but I haven't heard about them.

I guess it depends on whether the abductee's experience was benevolent or malevolent. If a person is abducted against their will, then I would have to guess that something bad is going on. What you're saying does make sense, but I think in most cases people are too focused on their experience instead of the big picture.

That's one of the biggest problems we face as humans, that many of us don't care enough about other living beings/creatures. Our brains are infused with the idea of hierarchical structure.

I like those ideas....and personally I do not believe that 'abductions' are real tme physical events but something...else.
Dr Vallee, John Keel, Patrick Harpur, and Greg Little all have brought up the idea that we are dealing with something other than ET's in the ufo enigma at large, and I think they might be right.
This does not eliminate the possibility of ET's but places that idea in a larger context.

Hi MindSpeaker and

My guess, maybe an awareness program of somekind. Although, not sure. My incident that I recall, leaves me wondering if there was to be more to the visit but was interrupted....... just leaving me w/a sighting. The 'being' had it's head tipped down slightly as I saw it's profile....... eye's may have been shut at least from my angle........ and I didn't think much of it other than, 'hey, what's this tall skinny bald teenager (with his shirt off) doing in my back yard'............. and then, almost instantaneously, it's head was facing me........ this was the shock of a lifetime...... don't know how else to say it.

Know what I wish? I wish this 'grey'? 'being' was discovered standing in someone elses back yard, someone like you Dr. Wu... so that I could sit here reading your description of the event.
Now some skeptics, would never ever share such an experience w/the rest of us....... for fear of ridicule or maybe not being able to come to grips w/the experience yourself. Someone like my father would never have shared something this bizarre if it had happened to him................ pretty sure of that. Also, because he just didn't have any answers or understanding for it.

I'm 100% sure this took place just as I've described as best I have............. because of the fear factor it left me with.... along w/the dogs. A shock that is practially too much to bare, physically, mentally........................ but I managed, thank God!

Just my nickles worth.................. enjoying the threads and everyone's opinions either way.

cruiser

Some good writers you mention there, there are more, John Mack, even Graham Hancocks supernatural etc. ET abduction is the simplest answer, and I'm not doubting that it could be true, for me though, it seems there is something else to it. I think people are experiencing phenomena no doubt about that, but the perception of the phenomena is key. I think there's another intelligence at work, but whether that is just ET or ET projecting what we can comprehend, or something using ET as a teaching tool, it is really hard to say.



Did you post your story on BoT Cruiser? I noticed you said tall, the grey guys are usually small. I am interested in experiences that differ from the normal (if they can be called that). If you've posted it, could you post a link to it ?



It could be that, the way I think of it sometimes is the way a vet would take an animal, and the animal has no idea that the purpose is to help, maybe thats the same for us? Another way to look at it is in a similar way to those folk who go out and make wildlife studies, capture animals, tag them to follow their movement etc. Maybe thats a subconscious projection.

Thoth,
Have you read Song Of The Greys by Nigel Kerner?
If you have what are your thoughts on his ideas?

Also are you familiar with the 'Billy' Meier saga?
Your thoughts on it's validity? Hoax, et's , or something else..?

I did put down my thoughts on Billy Meier a while back in a thread about him. Songs of the greys, I haven't read that one yet. Start up a new thread, we could discuss things there if you like? Lets keep this one on topic

Ahoy Thoth! Nice to meet you.... and thanks for the site.

If anyone can locate and share the link to my original experience sharing, please do, thanks. I thought folks were blue in the face hearing my account.

I say tall, but it stood inside my privacy fence by a few feet....so was not quite as tall as the 6 ft. fence........ it could have been between 4 and 5 ft. something like that. My drawing was a rough sketch, by someone that doesn't draw, me. I say 'with it's shirt off' because at the time that's exactly what I thought....... I didn't see pants either..... but it was skinny, all one color pale white.......and at the last moment as it turned away as if to run (instead, vanishing on the spot) it raised it's left arm at the elbow.... seemed a slight color in the fold at the arm........ I noticed a silvery shine at the chest as if it had some kind of one piece similar color suit on......and a shiny insignia upper left on chest.

There is a picture posted of a similar looking being by Ragnarok..... Starseed 2, the Sirius Connection. Pale white being, he was asking about the Zeta Reticulli at the time. I recall a pointed chin........ no nose maybe nostril holes......almond shaped eyes larger than ours by guessing 3x....... all black eyes...........no earlobes just a hole...........tiny slit for a mouth, no lips...........bald............I never had focus on the feet..... that's why when I drew the picture I did not finish the feet.

My immediate thoughts? 'JESUS CHRIST, OH sh*t, .............'
I'm having a heart attack and no one will know what I died from............ I began to take deep breaths in through nose, peirced the lips and slowly forced the air out, hoping to force oxygen down into my lungs and slow my heart racing. I believe it saved my life. Earlier I said lamaz breathing...... but this I learned to do because of my asthma.

It is easier for the ones I love to say, 'I don't believe it'......... then to come to grips w/the possibility. My feeling is, other's need to be aware of just the possibility...... so less of a shock 'if' they ever experience same or similar. Maybe when it faced me, and my first thought was 'THAT'S NO TEENAGER'.............. maybe it read my mind and decided not to tangle w/me. The JESUS CHRIST, OH sh*t part came a second later when it turned away and 'vanished'............ I was certain I had seen something OTHER WORLDLY.

It was a brief encounter, and hard to believe myself......... but the pain it left in my chest was nothing imaginary, along w/the whole experience by myself and my dogs.

Someone knows something about this........ because they look as they are depicted in Roswell...........people are seeing something very similar in sightings around the globe.

cruiser

Hi guys I'm kind of newbie in here and have to admit this is the most clear and well thought web development of this kind that I have been looking for, thanks I am in debt to you THoTH for making this site.

In view of this topic and always been intrigue about this type of matters by remaining objective whether I come across insensitive to actual abductees (apologies).

For me maybe its to do with trial and error case, by which maintaining it unofficial (why abduction was necessary). Imagine the consequence by non-sanction testing programme without our authorisation (who knows their excuse - ranging from 'they won't understand', feelings of superiority complex, 'we have the technology, we can rebuilt you...better than you were before...stronger...faster','we just testing our new equiptment' and etch

Because officially (by devulging to the whole world is more of a headache by being in the way) the consequence to a whole human race is accountability (they figure a class action would warrant compensation amounting from decades and generations involve not to mention jurisdictions, and not to mention manners of experiments), so like serial GHB rapist (a sedative,hypnotic, dissociative,and/or amnesiac effects drug used to facilitate rape) its cheaper to maintain denial. Beside their still in their saucer, means its your word against theirs. - Wondering whether their turning our planet to their kind of atmosphere with all this green house and gathering data on us, just kidding. Any ways you look at it they'll keep trying until they come out so we can revere them.

I found details of your experience Cruiser. Thanks for explaining more just now. There's no doubt that you witnessed something, do you think it's at all possible that what you saw was something physical, did it leave footprints etc, or feeling like whatever it was, was existing as an appearance only. I don't mean imagined, in fact it's hard to say what I mean. I read "Hunt for the skinwalker" and scientists reported that they saw unusual things, but that their perception was that these creatures were possibly from another dimension rather than actual alien creatures.

It's quite probable that we're looking at a phenomenon that doesn't have a single answer, like the UFO. I wouldn't say all UFOs are the same thing.



Thank you very much indeed

Good response also Aussie, there could be any number of explanations. It could well be that whatever is responsible for abduction is more than one type of creature, some may be acting with our benefit in mind, others may just be tricksters who like to deceive. Aside from genetic pooling, I am not sure why alien abductions where they give people medical examinations are so great in number?

There is a definite parallel between alien abductions, and the accounts of faery abductions in folklore. Which makes me think did aliens appear as something that folks of yesteryear could fit into their frame of reference? Or did the folks of yesteryear simply describe the same type of alien as reported now through exaggerated tales?

We live in an age where our faith is put in science, and the extraterrestrial explanation is "scientific" in nature, ie beings from other planets with advanced technology doing medical experiments. Whereas in times gone, the accounts would have had a more mystical description?

Think of it as 'The Fine Art of Surfacing' (Geldof record title).

Consensus Reality. Groupthink.

When here, it is incredibly difficult to 'hold' the true depth of the ideas and understandings that make up 'other' dimensional existences, as they..literally..Don't Belong Here. We cannot hold onto our other shapes and concentrate fully on being 'HERE'. What I mean, is that fully knowledge of 'there' brings about the tearing down of the idea of reality in this space.


Standing with a foot in either world has got to be one of the most difficult tricks that mankind can commit to on the individual basis. Seriously. I'm not sure anything is more difficult.

Even here, on this forum..I see it all the time.

People will allow one tiny bit of possibility to enter their mind, with regards to 'other' or 'other dimensions', 'other realities'. But not all.

It's Pandora's box.

if you accept one tiny bit of it, then it ALL comes through. All of it. No exceptions.

What I mean, is that if you accept UFO's, then you accept multi-dimensionality.

If you accept ghosts, then you accept aliens, interstellar travel, multi-dimensionality, immortal 'souls', multiple realities, precognition, action at a distance, over-unity (perpetual motion) machines, time travel, out-of-bod experiences, pyramids, monatomic metals, etc, etc, etc.

Giving in to one point (conceding the reality of) of any of the stuff on this forum, fully and completely allows for all the others.

That does not mean some folks are full of crap, but that one point of egress..does allow for all of the others. No exceptions.

And that is what many folks have a problem with.

Discerning what is what and what information comes through, and who is full of crap is a problem, yes..but the relational aspect of all of it coming through...is the base point that NONE can escape.

Yet..they try. So many folks attempt to exercise some method of filtering out what they don't want..when nothing could be further from the truth.

And yes, Thoth... I think you are correct in the consideration of 'going slow'. These points of knowledge have the tendency to force the brain to re-organize from the stem up, which is psychologically messy at best..for the individual. It sure tears a big mess/hole there. Doing such to a large group of people at the same time, quickly...is a recipe for disaster.

As for personal experiences?

Up in the hundreds.

Why? Because I allowed intellect and reason, for logical deduction to be applied to observation.... to overcome the base considerations of the brain stem, and it's reptilian(ish) ruler, fear - and emotions.

Most people can't get past this point, they don't consciously realize how deeply it rules them. If you've ever been driven to the fridge or the cookie jar, even once, then you actually do know how powerfully it rules your intellect. Except, it hides below the surface of conscious thought..so few, and even, yes, gasp! scientists many times (most, actually) don't even consider it....and foolishly think that their intellect is 'in charge'. Nothing could be further from the truth. They fail in this point, as they fail in their ideas of deduction as applied to the analysis of reality..as they fail to understand the power of the hindbrain.

Hard to know for sure....... the being looked every bit as 3D as you and me....... it looked solid. But the head turned to face me instantaneously ...... one second looking forward and down, the next staring at me. The fact that it could 'vanish' on the spot made me wonder about hologram technologies......... what man is capable of producing......... Now, the dogs were upstairs w/me and had no way of 'knowing' something was in the back yard w/out seeing it......... yet they knew WITHOUT DOUBT that there was something very alarming to them behind the house. They went berzerk, hyper whining, growling, extremely agitated........... so, I just quickly offered to let them out to investigate.......... they were upset by what we discovered (and that would be an understatement). So I don't know if it was other dimensional, or something else. I just know it looked similar to what's being described as greys or that species. If I hadn't seen it myself, I might say 'full of crapola'.
I don't think it's up to some of us to prove anything to the rest........ somehow seems to be an individual experience, for that person alone to recognize somehow, figure out what it means. ??
I'm sure it is too much for many to even consider.
No foot prints..... a white filmy covering over the ground in the corner of the yard where the dogs were barking afterwards...... I even picked a sample up but lost track of it.
I'd almost rule out the idea of it being a hologram projected into my little backyard where no one was at the time. It seemed a genuine, authentic kind of encounter.

cruiser edited, 'knowing' instead of 'sensing', not the correct word had to fix that.... dogs may have 'heard' it or sensed it, they were keen to it somehow

If your going to be abducted?
Between a serial killer, poltegeist other wordly dimention and UFO abductions
I vote aliens any time for sure

On a serious note about this subject

One of my best mate story (we've lost contact for a while occassionally e-mail each other) which still buggles me for some years due to its very small discussion and very authentic approach to this subject, specially the way he was hiding things. By the way his a very well adjusted person and have a young family.

During the early 80's (maybe 81' or 82') his family use to be farmers somewhere between Victoria and New South Wales (more Victorian side) He seem to recollect one morning his mother and sister (about 8 yrs old at the time) going a for a few hours into town, about 30 kms from where they live but didn't come home 11 hours later (with the cops), so the story goes that they were found in someones grazing field and said they were just walking don't know why?. For a few months his mother and sister were having a mental breakdown and the intensity of the drama and anguish gave his father a fatal hearth attack and died. His mother and sister were institutionalise in a psychiatric. He was kind of ashamed to mention them screaming UFO coming from the cloads, orange lights or burning, their not people. A psychiatrist told him and his brother - that what's going through their mind is so unknown to anything they know that was causing trauma and shock and being not able to distinguish what's real. They experience a sudden panic anxiety being out on the farms or the rural country. As far as the investigation (medical and crime), his mother and sister were very normal prior to the incident.

He was telling me this as a factual (not trying to convince) as oppose to narrative (with emotions). He showed me police reports, psychiatric accessments, pictures of his mother and sister with skin abrasions. My reaction was I had no opinion for he was not one who bullshits pass it as a truth and contrary he made me swear to forget this 3 hours of conversations. His one of those guys in Australia we call 'fair dikum' - honest, truthful or genuine but don't show emotion or want symphathy.

His now a manager of a city council department and his brother a computer software annalyst professor (they were achiving at young age with university degrees but not nerdy type) very sociable and down to earth yuppies.

His mother and sister been living in Sydney in a flat (I do recall him talking to his mother and sister over the phone with their voices) I had never seen them. I don't know any UFO investigation or media coverage about this but that conversation was an eerie 3 hrs.

Hi AussieET,

Your friends story sounds similar to many other stories we hear/read about. Very sorry for the family loss and breakdown. I hope he realizes he's not alone w/this paranormal experience.

If I allow myself, I can get worked up over the fact that we live in a society that doesn't speak openly about these things. That somehow those of us experiencing are crazy people. And there is no proof, and no real understanding of what's going on. I try looking into it as a hobby since, try not to take it all too seriously.......... I'll leave it to the pro's to figure out what's what.
It would be different if people everywhere were discussing it........
a changed world. Many of us like things just the way they are....... and other's are ready for change. In time it may get easier.

Thanks for sharing your friends story, my heart goes out to his family.

cruiser

Hope you can follow this (Prophmaji), I reply by commenting on your comments if that is ok. Works for me better that way, apologies if it makes it more difficult to read.

Consensus Reality. Groupthink.



Could that be the collapse of the wave function? What physics tells us observation does. I've never really considered that perspective, regarding how our perception changes as a result of an awareness of other dimensions. If you think of a 2 dimensional being put on a sphere, and it walking around it wondering where the end of the walk is, I think thats our inability to grasp these things because they defy what was generally considered impossible.





I think that's because as a whole, people feel that we're in a transitional state of knowledge. That yes phenomena do exist, but currently the official response is either 'not interested' or 'you're crazy'. I'm optimistic that the information age, will even the balance somewhat.





Unsure if I agree with that. If you mean as concepts then yes.



Again, that is if you mean as concepts, then generally I'd say yes. But people are different, and it's our duty to debate as opposed to accept without at least some questioning. I can't remember who said it, but it was along the lines of the sign of real intelligence, is the ability to entertain two opposite ideas of the same thing simultaneously. I think if we lapse into one side or the other, we run the risk of losing our judgement.




There's a difference between filtering and avoiding, that holds true of most things where a belief is questioned.



Especially when long held views are challenged, there's always a struggle.Look now at the problem physicists face with data that seems to contradict common sense vs the old newtonian way of thinking. The planck scale isn't on everyones list of discussable topics, certainly isn't mine, yet it's what lies behind that, which is really going to change our understanding of things, and maybe just maybe the answers sought for so long by those of a scientific and religious belief background will be harmonised. Because I really think that our next big step will be as a result of that harmony.





You should write some articles for our front page

I agree, doesn't it all look like an exercise to get us away from it's use. What I mean is the absolute bombardment of our 5 most basic senses, to keep us from use of our others. I think of the adam and eve thing, if they ate from the tree of knowledge, they would become like God, and that wasn't right. So they were punished. Some see that as a "putting in place" tactic, ie we're not here to become like god, servile in other words. I don't see it like that, I see it that it wasn't right for adam and eve because they were the first. Not that I think there was a real adam and eve, but this is what I mean about the combination of spiritual and science, that combination is mankinds next step. So we're all on the same page of the book. A greater understanding of both is needed, and barriers dropped.

Getting back to the purpose of extraterrestrials, sooner or later we are going to have to face the very real possibilty that either they have been here, still are here, or it's something more complex than that. John Mack I think it was said "either people are getting abducted by aliens in spaceships, or people are lying.. and in either case this needs to be studied" because as a psychologist he realised that it was hardly likely to consider that everyone reporting an abduction was lying. There's lots of people out there telling us that this is simply sleep phenomena, or something else deeply rooted in the psychological realm. The fact is that for so many people to report the same thing, over so long, coupled with the fact that a psychologist-especially someone so prominent- rejected delusion as the cause after interviewing dozens of abductees.

I don't know what is happening, but something is. What we need to discuss why is this happening, as much as what is happening.(Sorry for the rant).

It might not be a question of what man is producing? Arthur C Clarke said any sufficiently advanced technology can appear as magic to those less able to comprehend. It could be technology, or it could be a glimpse into something else temporarily, then it closes.




I wonder if there was any telepathy between your dogs and you? They could sense something about you being anxious. Or it could be that they also can have their brain in overdrive at the experience?



Trouble is, it's too easy to dismiss, that's why dismissing is popular.I totally agree it's not up to people who experience to convince anyone. It is a shame to be certain that so many do indeed dismiss, or attempt to put one catch all explanation on, when clearly there is no catch all explanation. And if you think "they're crazy" read what a top psychiatrist said. I don't blame them in some respects, it must be much easier to work within confines, for that sort of job anyway.



That sounds like a cliche, but I can go along with that, there's been repeated poltergeist like events happening where I am. I've hardly documented anything, or gone out of my way to do an investigation. Terrible I know, but when you 'accept' something extraordinary is happening, it becomes nothing 'unusual'. weird at the time certainly. I don't feel the need to collate my proof and challenge those who can't accept.




I've no doubt of your encounter, or of what you think happened as being the answer. I am just curious

Hi Thoth,

I understand.

When this happened back in 2004, once I settled down .... at least 20-30 min. I remember thinking, 'I have to tell the world what I just witnessed.......and I can't give a rats arce what anyone will think of me' Now, I meant it......... it was so .............. I mean, I just saw something that ISN"T SUPPOSED TO EXIST per our gov. and other skeptics in the world........ and most folks just don't buy it...... why haven't most of us seen one?

Well............... I have a family to think about, and that is the reason I only landed here w/my experience and sharing it with a few trusted people. (mufonw & discolure folks)

I have no way of knowing what it was...... can only describe what it looked like and what it did, and how it made me and the dogs feel. Not ruling anything out....... but it was most unexpected and shocking.

The labs are very smart..... these two like to be on guard, always listening. Don't think they were reacting to me at all. I was into my news, standing in front of television..... ....... they suddenly ran over to the dining room window, on the other side of the room and dining table....... right to the window that was closed...and too high for them to see out. It's second story above the back yard.

Hubby has always done repair work near nuclear missiles........ so I'm very interested in the ufo incident at Malmstrom....... Was my poltergeist events spiritual........ or alien or? I'm just left wondering about all of it.

Poltergeist events started in North Dakota '93,'94 ..... they seemed to almost stop after my father passed away Feb. 94. But there were more 'signs'....... I like to call them. For instance, what looked like the grim reeper on three ocassions in the bathroom window in the months/weeks before 9/11.

I don't like BS......... I like the truth incase you're wondering.

cruiser

Just a note....... that N.D. house was used to play Dungeons and Dragons, group of guys. I used to wonder if that opened up portals or let something in...........

Hi MindSpeaker. Welcome aboard!

I hope you enjoy your time a BoT!

I answered yes...to your poll...Why the abductions?...For me..I really have no clue as to why they happened.

I don't think I can honestly say why they happened..except to guess..tests..

Can I rant?

Too late I've posted it already.

There is a well known theory about UFO abduction (don’t know whether it’s somewhere in The Book of ThoTH website). I’d just go ahead for the sake of ranting and recoup about it in this tread, but I don’t know whether I interpreted this theory right so don’t take it as my theory. What I like about this theory is the value for money where its viewed as conspiracy, UFO (plus abduction) and spirituality for the price of one.

The open question of why the hell would aliens travel some universe or galaxy for a sightseeing, going native or probing around (in this case with us as well)? If they’re not taking advantage of their advances, why not invade us now, we are ripe for the taking?

So theory goes... because the majority of us are hypocritical like support environmental cause, progressive society cause and others, but we do not really participate in it or rely on others to do it; so somewhere in our future earth would be in a sorry state. Or it’s just our immediate part of the universe is about to make a nasty turn to p*ss off the rest of our future’s future. And let’s just say we have time constraints to do something about it.

So ‘A’- get out of the planet or the immediate vicinity of our universe (doubt it will get to travel in speed of light without losing our head, even if we do, base on some physicist it will take 4 yrs to get to another galaxy and maybe a couple of years to look for a planet to live, even longer like a lifetime to change a planets environment – I don’t really know)(maybe Mars isn't viable too close) or ‘b’ - fix earth and our neighbouring immediate universe by travelling back in time (current projects of notable physicists Ron Mallett and John Cramer (in separate venues) which may lead to time travel (of data, at least) some time very soon.

So wormhole is the go, but in order to do a Stargate you need to get a destination, can’t do that without travelling there first to setup the other gate. But staying in one place or space would take you to another time (they’ve seen future and said no) therefore changing the future from the past, has to be. There lies the birth if ‘chrononauts’ or the time and space travellers. (Has anyone seen Rossyln Scotland UFO sightings and they proposed that aliens were using portals to travel back in time to visit earth from some ancient church?) Probably why they always appear on the same spot, its because their wormhole is there. The theory seems to get on well to explain aliens can move through solid object and observe us while remaining invisible, along with the idea why they’re so attached to us and this planet for that matter.

Now, now... we seemingly have writings or records of myths of the ancient past such as ancient ‘gods, mythology, Atlantis, ‘I was here signs’ at the side of mountains, etch ‘ (accidental tourists?) Those angelic encounters are actually experiences with these time travellers, not to mention future prophecies. Pyramids and those Solomon statues are the original Back from the Future? Perhaps playing alien is the only way they could intervene directly and just passing time per generations and delves into our psyche.

Anyways these time travellers have mastered the art of entering the fifth dimension and travelling back in time to past centuries through the use of hyperspace engineering via spaceships (their well equipped ranging from stealth, cloaking device, anti-gravity, hyper-speed travelling on land, sea and air, cushion toilets seats and etch). Well if you twist the logic you say that what they have are something we have in knowledge now, say magnetic principle (probably why all electrical seem to cease when this things are around), computer aided piloting, drones, plasma, protons and what have ya, its very us right now. But if something screws up they materialise so WALA, the sightings. And also they were sighted syphoning water – for drinking or flushing toilets?

There’s more, they seem to manipulate people to be in certain situation (always in power) so be able to keep it in secret (could be them too). The very thought of how easily censorship, black agenda, government within a government, not able to see aliens and etch are facilitated... the theory raps up nicely with ‘aliens lives among us’, UFO in cahoots with the government and the Illuminaties). This is an add-on, there’s evidence suggests that our governments work very hard to keep the space alien hoax going. Again ties up nicely with theory playing alien and the psyche. Why government can’t divulge future technology and UFO so as not to screw around with something drastic consequence.

How about the alternative history, the way they manipulate or erase records and evidence to hide the changes and keep the secret until they get back into future settings. Who knows they probably are erasing this website if it’s going to out them.

In addition, these chrononauts have abducted people for medical procedures and observations (again the instruments and tools are very human anatomy usage) and that’s what we do right now. Argument: why not random people all the time? Why the same individual and same family? (Again the RFID seems too close to what we have in logistics). Is it the study of effects from time and universe? Is it because their making sure they don’t get to marry their great, great, great, great, great grand daughter? Or accidentally screw their mother in the future or the past?

In present case scientist seems to go where history took place and find, study, experiment and etch to understand the past to understand future. The argument of: ‘Why are sightings more common in one place, region or country? Could it be that their ground zero to a catalyst events in the future (so their taking notes and measurements prior to the event)? Is this why Mexico has nearly ten times the number of sightings in the world (or is just some one developed a taste for Mayan hearths from the future?)

Now theories alien and chrononauts:
Could it be because some humans mutated to those grey alien things that resembles the Morlock (from HG Wells The Time Machine) and been figuring out what the hell happened? Wonder if it’s the same case as the Eloi refering to the Billie Meier’s type of humanoid, come to think of it, why ‘aliens’ always seem to be humanoid – X2 eyes, leg’s arms, foots, hands, x1 head. My neighbour’s cat looks more alien especially at night.

Maybe if they change the history, the consequence of ‘Butterfly Effect’ could have worst different consequences? Much worst end up like Distant Thunder, Event Horizon or Sphere.

Aliens, travelling souls, angels and demons war, reincarnation...that’s another theory that raps with this.

I’ve bored and strained your eyes as it is.

Anyways it’s all fun( until someone looses an eye).

cheers

MindReader, if I may ask, what is it that you see exactly? What type of experiences with those beings did you and your family had?

Hi cruiser,

Thank you for your kindness, I just find it hard to response to something like that. What you experienced is very challenging to comprehend, guess it was intense in a way just to shrug off. And as a hobby, why not? Some people collect memorabilia and talk about computer, cars, fishing, celebrity gossip; ours is UFO, alien, supernatural... and what have ya. Live and let live. Again thank you.

To MindReader
Hope things are cool and thank you for starting this tread. There are things a person experiences where another person will never understand (or even have an idea) until he or she experience the same thing then they can say I understand. Hope you get a spiritual growth from this
cheers

Sorry I haven't had much chance (read time) lately with the tech probs here. Cruiser, I understand that the dogs perceived first, was just an idea that they might have been responding to your state of mind. Its a commonly reported thing that animals get disturbed with this phenomenon, but they do with other phenomenon too ghosts etc.

I never thought of the Malmstrom case as poltergeist, mainly because of the UFO reports associated with the disarmament of the missiles etc. Interesting

AussieET, fine writing there too, I was tempted to put it on our front page as an article, we really need views and thoughts like this for our front page. If you or anyone wants to do that, post in the "longer threads" area and we'll get it out front. That doesn't mean we don't want them in here, far from it, but I see posts and I think they deserve that spot too. Very interesting set of ideas indeed.

AussiET, can't say that it was easy or that I just shrugged it off....... I just found that under the circumstances, it was easier and maybe best to just not focus on it, and focus on other things.
But I will never forget the experience.


Thoth, If you thought I was implying that Malmstrom was a poltergeist event........ wasn't what I meant. I'd lean more toward the UFO having to do w/it. My idea was, maybe my poltergeist events I mentioned happening in the home, maybe they were connected to an alien event possibly since I've seen one vanish in front of me.......
I don't know, just wondering. Also, I heard clear as a bell, 'my first name' was said, and 'I am here' Sounded like a male voice, yet feminine mannerism. That's the only time that's happened.

Paranormal once or twice you might brush off..... but when a person experiences some paranormal activity several times over in certain locations......you begin to question a lot of things. I didn't ever think alien until the experience years later in a different state, having seen what to me would be described as one of the grey type beings or entities. ??


cruiser

THoTh thanks for the compliment, I am not a writer, It was a spur of the moment I classify as ranting which I’m about to do now. As I pull my head away from work trying to be creative.

The reasons I was trying to support this idea stemmed out from culminating incidence of reading I’ve read through magazines and newspapers and connect the dot as a mind exercise to compensate boredom. But it seems to be viable if it develops further into the future, say a couple of hundred years from now.

There were several series of articles in (Telegraph syndications?) newspaper that I’ve read about ‘black holes in the universe’ (I think it was referring to a detected or photograph evidence taken last year by some astronomers also showing a disappearance of a part of the galaxy behind it). The article said in theory these ‘black holes’ can collapse matters and energy including gravity and time. And if this is the real deal then the theory of general relativity could be real.

Albert Einstein’s theory of general relativity was the first conclusive proofing study in which the possibility of time travel could be achieve in the 1940s. He estimated by mathematical formulation that if someone could bend and warp the properties of physics resulting with gravity curves via space/time, one can slows the clocks. He came up with this after the speed/time limitation where nothing could be faster than speed of light. But it was one of Einstein's colleague Kurt Gödel who was able to prove the possibility to using the same principle to allow time travel into the past, which created the disturbing hypothesis implicated by many eminent physicists at the time which is still being argued until now regarding time travel to the past, because it undermines ideas of cause and effect, creating paradoxes. Remember this statement about a time traveller being able to go back to kill his grandfather so that she is never born in the first place (that’s where this statement came from).

In the 90’s a Professor Ori’s came up with the theory of ‘closed time-like curves’. He tried to mathematically prove that, if the right physics conditions through gravitational pull of objects time can be warped which also blends space and time (the term - space/time).

He was also able to conclude whereby any material, even dust, as long as there is enough of it to bend space/time into a loop the possibility of constructing a time machine from conventional materials could not be ruled out, for as long as it can produce negative density condition (the essential ingredient to cook up or create time loops).

The machine when turned on would generate the negative density condition in which it would conjure or materialise the space/time itself. And as it blends the space and time it will create a curve back on itself and produce distortion through the space/time called warps. The very situation satisfying the general relativity principle to bend and warp space/ time – it’s supposed to look like a form of loop within an empty doughnut shaped region enveloped within sphere of normal matter. This means with each loops created from the warp, one can go further and further back in time.

If one manipulates the machine’s setting to be set out in one direction, the traveller inside the warp returns to the past and then to the departure point: thus, by travelling around this loop of space/time, time travel could be achieved.

He also concluded that if this machine also would enable timelines to close on each other which may result in enabling the future generations to return to visit our time, but people from this time would not be able to return to previous ages because our predecessors did not create this time travel infrastructure to enter or exit their time.

But then he put himself in a corner with a new problem which is the stability of space/time, the very fabric of the cosmos. One hypothetical scenario with distorting space/time would result from other huge masses to join and end up with a black hole.

So by this he was able to open a new branch of study in physics called quantum gravity (blending quantum theory with general relativity).

His greatest nemesis in this theory is the famous Stephen Hawking of Cambridge University which confounded such things are extremely unlikely due to his proposed contradictory theory ‘The chronology protection conjecture’, which flatly says the laws of physics disallow time machines. Where they have experimental evidence that time travel doesn’t exist:

Stephen Hawking was also quoted famously for this: “We have no reliable evidence of visitors from the future. I’m discounting the conspiracy theory that UFOs are from the future and that the government knows and is covering it up. Its record of cover-ups is not that goodâ€

my continued ranting

I saw a tv programme this weekend where they featured a process in creating a draught resistant wheat.

One of the procedures in experimentation is carbon isotopes discrimination (some kind of x-ray and detector machine using MIR technique) and determining the concentration of enzyme RuBisCO (the most abundant protein on Earth as part of photosynthesis). Another process was breeding technique which removes pollen from the core of a wheat flower, then some kind of germinations and then soon after preventing the wheat ears from cross pollination. All of that is just to prepare it for cross breeding via pollination then extract newly created hybrid. Then the process repeats with different type of wheat and from the new hybrids created. The most essential advantage part of the exercise is being able to use, compare and cross pollination with a wheat that’s been a direct ancestor of a 10,000 years old original wheats that have been growing at the same place in Persia for an estimated several thousands of years. It will be use as the raw source of genetic potential pollen which is in these plants since ancient times. They were able to use it as a cross examination with other wheats created and existing as well. The experiments progress into extracting certain genes, protein and microbes in order to modify its DNA. Whatever was culminated from the experiments from further extraction were put into DNA bullets. Then they put plants and leaves under vacuum environment then where shoot DNA directly at them. Then the plant mutates resulting from the taken DNA (some physical attributes and others the cell changes) some success /failure result through trial. They also use some kind of microbe tagging in monitoring progress and behavioural pattern in the fields.

The reason for typing this is because it's very similar to descriptions of experimentation one reads and hears from an UFO abduction encounter but in this case humans are the wheat. Again kind of supports the future time traveller theory. That, years from now we might be using these techniques to us now and to the past to better them in the future.

I think it was Carl Jung a famous Swiss psychologist who has started the Ego, Personal and Collective: consciousness, study of how man thinks. That the evolution of thoughts, especially applied in creative thinking, could not have just come out of nowhere without due influence (where someone conjure an idea from thin air) and also derive from something from their past. Like for example experience, things they’ve seen, objective relation and etch (I’m not a student of psychology).

Say for example mobile phone evolution of design and innovation from brick to pad, analogue to digital and so on; you could see the pattern of its development due to the desire of wanting to better the object base on necessity and its development were again came from an applied technology from some other source of technology. And they were developed using the same learned tactical principle in the lateral process of experimentation and integration.

Looking at it on a different perspective in reference to abduction theory, there could definitely be extraterrestrial who comes around from time to time – the not so human variety (out of curious spate) and the ones who could have seeded the human kind variety (checking how we progressing along). But we ourselves are the ones who are going to benefit more in here. Anyways, it’s all just speculations (I might need diapers in my brain).

cheers

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