Hi MindSpeaker. Welcome aboard!

I hope you enjoy your time a BoT!

I answered yes...to your poll...Why the abductions?...For me..I really have no clue as to why they happened.

I don't think I can honestly say why they happened..except to guess..tests..


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Can I rant?

Too late I've posted it already.

There is a well known theory about UFO abduction (don’t know whether it’s somewhere in The Book of ThoTH website). I’d just go ahead for the sake of ranting and recoup about it in this tread, but I don’t know whether I interpreted this theory right so don’t take it as my theory. What I like about this theory is the value for money where its viewed as conspiracy, UFO (plus abduction) and spirituality for the price of one.

The open question of why the hell would aliens travel some universe or galaxy for a sightseeing, going native or probing around (in this case with us as well)? If they’re not taking advantage of their advances, why not invade us now, we are ripe for the taking?

So theory goes... because the majority of us are hypocritical like support environmental cause, progressive society cause and others, but we do not really participate in it or rely on others to do it; so somewhere in our future earth would be in a sorry state. Or it’s just our immediate part of the universe is about to make a nasty turn to p*ss off the rest of our future’s future. And let’s just say we have time constraints to do something about it.

So ‘A’- get out of the planet or the immediate vicinity of our universe (doubt it will get to travel in speed of light without losing our head, even if we do, base on some physicist it will take 4 yrs to get to another galaxy and maybe a couple of years to look for a planet to live, even longer like a lifetime to change a planets environment – I don’t really know)(maybe Mars isn't viable too close) or ‘b’ - fix earth and our neighbouring immediate universe by travelling back in time (current projects of notable physicists Ron Mallett and John Cramer (in separate venues) which may lead to time travel (of data, at least) some time very soon.

So wormhole is the go, but in order to do a Stargate you need to get a destination, can’t do that without travelling there first to setup the other gate. But staying in one place or space would take you to another time (they’ve seen future and said no) therefore changing the future from the past, has to be. There lies the birth if ‘chrononauts’ or the time and space travellers. (Has anyone seen Rossyln Scotland UFO sightings and they proposed that aliens were using portals to travel back in time to visit earth from some ancient church?) Probably why they always appear on the same spot, its because their wormhole is there. The theory seems to get on well to explain aliens can move through solid object and observe us while remaining invisible, along with the idea why they’re so attached to us and this planet for that matter.

Now, now... we seemingly have writings or records of myths of the ancient past such as ancient ‘gods, mythology, Atlantis, ‘I was here signs’ at the side of mountains, etch ‘ (accidental tourists?) Those angelic encounters are actually experiences with these time travellers, not to mention future prophecies. Pyramids and those Solomon statues are the original Back from the Future? Perhaps playing alien is the only way they could intervene directly and just passing time per generations and delves into our psyche.

Anyways these time travellers have mastered the art of entering the fifth dimension and travelling back in time to past centuries through the use of hyperspace engineering via spaceships (their well equipped ranging from stealth, cloaking device, anti-gravity, hyper-speed travelling on land, sea and air, cushion toilets seats and etch). Well if you twist the logic you say that what they have are something we have in knowledge now, say magnetic principle (probably why all electrical seem to cease when this things are around), computer aided piloting, drones, plasma, protons and what have ya, its very us right now. But if something screws up they materialise so WALA, the sightings. And also they were sighted syphoning water – for drinking or flushing toilets?

There’s more, they seem to manipulate people to be in certain situation (always in power) so be able to keep it in secret (could be them too). The very thought of how easily censorship, black agenda, government within a government, not able to see aliens and etch are facilitated... the theory raps up nicely with ‘aliens lives among us’, UFO in cahoots with the government and the Illuminaties). This is an add-on, there’s evidence suggests that our governments work very hard to keep the space alien hoax going. Again ties up nicely with theory playing alien and the psyche. Why government can’t divulge future technology and UFO so as not to screw around with something drastic consequence.

How about the alternative history, the way they manipulate or erase records and evidence to hide the changes and keep the secret until they get back into future settings. Who knows they probably are erasing this website if it’s going to out them.

In addition, these chrononauts have abducted people for medical procedures and observations (again the instruments and tools are very human anatomy usage) and that’s what we do right now. Argument: why not random people all the time? Why the same individual and same family? (Again the RFID seems too close to what we have in logistics). Is it the study of effects from time and universe? Is it because their making sure they don’t get to marry their great, great, great, great, great grand daughter? Or accidentally screw their mother in the future or the past?

In present case scientist seems to go where history took place and find, study, experiment and etch to understand the past to understand future. The argument of: ‘Why are sightings more common in one place, region or country? Could it be that their ground zero to a catalyst events in the future (so their taking notes and measurements prior to the event)? Is this why Mexico has nearly ten times the number of sightings in the world (or is just some one developed a taste for Mayan hearths from the future?)

Now theories alien and chrononauts:
Could it be because some humans mutated to those grey alien things that resembles the Morlock (from HG Wells The Time Machine) and been figuring out what the hell happened? Wonder if it’s the same case as the Eloi refering to the Billie Meier’s type of humanoid, come to think of it, why ‘aliens’ always seem to be humanoid – X2 eyes, leg’s arms, foots, hands, x1 head. My neighbour’s cat looks more alien especially at night.

Maybe if they change the history, the consequence of ‘Butterfly Effect’ could have worst different consequences? Much worst end up like Distant Thunder, Event Horizon or Sphere.

Aliens, travelling souls, angels and demons war, reincarnation...that’s another theory that raps with this.

I’ve bored and strained your eyes as it is.

Anyways it’s all fun( until someone looses an eye).

cheers

MindReader, if I may ask, what is it that you see exactly? What type of experiences with those beings did you and your family had?

Hi cruiser,

Thank you for your kindness, I just find it hard to response to something like that. What you experienced is very challenging to comprehend, guess it was intense in a way just to shrug off. And as a hobby, why not? Some people collect memorabilia and talk about computer, cars, fishing, celebrity gossip; ours is UFO, alien, supernatural... and what have ya. Live and let live. Again thank you.

To MindReader
Hope things are cool and thank you for starting this tread. There are things a person experiences where another person will never understand (or even have an idea) until he or she experience the same thing then they can say I understand. Hope you get a spiritual growth from this
cheers

Sorry I haven't had much chance (read time) lately with the tech probs here. Cruiser, I understand that the dogs perceived first, was just an idea that they might have been responding to your state of mind. Its a commonly reported thing that animals get disturbed with this phenomenon, but they do with other phenomenon too ghosts etc.

I never thought of the Malmstrom case as poltergeist, mainly because of the UFO reports associated with the disarmament of the missiles etc. Interesting

AussieET, fine writing there too, I was tempted to put it on our front page as an article, we really need views and thoughts like this for our front page. If you or anyone wants to do that, post in the "longer threads" area and we'll get it out front. That doesn't mean we don't want them in here, far from it, but I see posts and I think they deserve that spot too. Very interesting set of ideas indeed.


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AussiET, can't say that it was easy or that I just shrugged it off....... I just found that under the circumstances, it was easier and maybe best to just not focus on it, and focus on other things.
But I will never forget the experience.


Thoth, If you thought I was implying that Malmstrom was a poltergeist event........ wasn't what I meant. I'd lean more toward the UFO having to do w/it. My idea was, maybe my poltergeist events I mentioned happening in the home, maybe they were connected to an alien event possibly since I've seen one vanish in front of me.......
I don't know, just wondering. Also, I heard clear as a bell, 'my first name' was said, and 'I am here' Sounded like a male voice, yet feminine mannerism. That's the only time that's happened.

Paranormal once or twice you might brush off..... but when a person experiences some paranormal activity several times over in certain locations......you begin to question a lot of things. I didn't ever think alien until the experience years later in a different state, having seen what to me would be described as one of the grey type beings or entities. ??


cruiser

THoTh thanks for the compliment, I am not a writer, It was a spur of the moment I classify as ranting which I’m about to do now. As I pull my head away from work trying to be creative.

The reasons I was trying to support this idea stemmed out from culminating incidence of reading I’ve read through magazines and newspapers and connect the dot as a mind exercise to compensate boredom. But it seems to be viable if it develops further into the future, say a couple of hundred years from now.

There were several series of articles in (Telegraph syndications?) newspaper that I’ve read about ‘black holes in the universe’ (I think it was referring to a detected or photograph evidence taken last year by some astronomers also showing a disappearance of a part of the galaxy behind it). The article said in theory these ‘black holes’ can collapse matters and energy including gravity and time. And if this is the real deal then the theory of general relativity could be real.

Albert Einstein’s theory of general relativity was the first conclusive proofing study in which the possibility of time travel could be achieve in the 1940s. He estimated by mathematical formulation that if someone could bend and warp the properties of physics resulting with gravity curves via space/time, one can slows the clocks. He came up with this after the speed/time limitation where nothing could be faster than speed of light. But it was one of Einstein's colleague Kurt Gödel who was able to prove the possibility to using the same principle to allow time travel into the past, which created the disturbing hypothesis implicated by many eminent physicists at the time which is still being argued until now regarding time travel to the past, because it undermines ideas of cause and effect, creating paradoxes. Remember this statement about a time traveller being able to go back to kill his grandfather so that she is never born in the first place (that’s where this statement came from).

In the 90’s a Professor Ori’s came up with the theory of ‘closed time-like curves’. He tried to mathematically prove that, if the right physics conditions through gravitational pull of objects time can be warped which also blends space and time (the term - space/time).

He was also able to conclude whereby any material, even dust, as long as there is enough of it to bend space/time into a loop the possibility of constructing a time machine from conventional materials could not be ruled out, for as long as it can produce negative density condition (the essential ingredient to cook up or create time loops).

The machine when turned on would generate the negative density condition in which it would conjure or materialise the space/time itself. And as it blends the space and time it will create a curve back on itself and produce distortion through the space/time called warps. The very situation satisfying the general relativity principle to bend and warp space/ time – it’s supposed to look like a form of loop within an empty doughnut shaped region enveloped within sphere of normal matter. This means with each loops created from the warp, one can go further and further back in time.

If one manipulates the machine’s setting to be set out in one direction, the traveller inside the warp returns to the past and then to the departure point: thus, by travelling around this loop of space/time, time travel could be achieved.

He also concluded that if this machine also would enable timelines to close on each other which may result in enabling the future generations to return to visit our time, but people from this time would not be able to return to previous ages because our predecessors did not create this time travel infrastructure to enter or exit their time.

But then he put himself in a corner with a new problem which is the stability of space/time, the very fabric of the cosmos. One hypothetical scenario with distorting space/time would result from other huge masses to join and end up with a black hole.

So by this he was able to open a new branch of study in physics called quantum gravity (blending quantum theory with general relativity).

His greatest nemesis in this theory is the famous Stephen Hawking of Cambridge University which confounded such things are extremely unlikely due to his proposed contradictory theory ‘The chronology protection conjecture’, which flatly says the laws of physics disallow time machines. Where they have experimental evidence that time travel doesn’t exist:

Stephen Hawking was also quoted famously for this: “We have no reliable evidence of visitors from the future. I’m discounting the conspiracy theory that UFOs are from the future and that the government knows and is covering it up. Its record of cover-ups is not that good”. Which makes him pretty much aware of this alternative UFO theory.

Which got me to think, that Professor Ori has just been watching too many ‘Time Tunnel ‘ tv series from the 70s?or 60s?. I saw them for the first time in cable last year. It had the same plot, except the black hole and the part where Julious Cesar accidental went back. I think I wasn’t definitely even in diapers then when they were made. Which concludes me are tv repeats a form of time travel? Am I looking at a past? That all this time with books I've use as sleeping pills actually got to my head. We should wonder...

Anyways cheers.

my continued ranting

I saw a tv programme this weekend where they featured a process in creating a draught resistant wheat.

One of the procedures in experimentation is carbon isotopes discrimination (some kind of x-ray and detector machine using MIR technique) and determining the concentration of enzyme RuBisCO (the most abundant protein on Earth as part of photosynthesis). Another process was breeding technique which removes pollen from the core of a wheat flower, then some kind of germinations and then soon after preventing the wheat ears from cross pollination. All of that is just to prepare it for cross breeding via pollination then extract newly created hybrid. Then the process repeats with different type of wheat and from the new hybrids created. The most essential advantage part of the exercise is being able to use, compare and cross pollination with a wheat that’s been a direct ancestor of a 10,000 years old original wheats that have been growing at the same place in Persia for an estimated several thousands of years. It will be use as the raw source of genetic potential pollen which is in these plants since ancient times. They were able to use it as a cross examination with other wheats created and existing as well. The experiments progress into extracting certain genes, protein and microbes in order to modify its DNA. Whatever was culminated from the experiments from further extraction were put into DNA bullets. Then they put plants and leaves under vacuum environment then where shoot DNA directly at them. Then the plant mutates resulting from the taken DNA (some physical attributes and others the cell changes) some success /failure result through trial. They also use some kind of microbe tagging in monitoring progress and behavioural pattern in the fields.

The reason for typing this is because it's very similar to descriptions of experimentation one reads and hears from an UFO abduction encounter but in this case humans are the wheat. Again kind of supports the future time traveller theory. That, years from now we might be using these techniques to us now and to the past to better them in the future.

I think it was Carl Jung a famous Swiss psychologist who has started the Ego, Personal and Collective: consciousness, study of how man thinks. That the evolution of thoughts, especially applied in creative thinking, could not have just come out of nowhere without due influence (where someone conjure an idea from thin air) and also derive from something from their past. Like for example experience, things they’ve seen, objective relation and etch (I’m not a student of psychology).

Say for example mobile phone evolution of design and innovation from brick to pad, analogue to digital and so on; you could see the pattern of its development due to the desire of wanting to better the object base on necessity and its development were again came from an applied technology from some other source of technology. And they were developed using the same learned tactical principle in the lateral process of experimentation and integration.

Looking at it on a different perspective in reference to abduction theory, there could definitely be extraterrestrial who comes around from time to time – the not so human variety (out of curious spate) and the ones who could have seeded the human kind variety (checking how we progressing along). But we ourselves are the ones who are going to benefit more in here. Anyways, it’s all just speculations (I might need diapers in my brain).

cheers

cruiser wrote:

If anyone can locate and share the link to my original experience sharing, please do, thanks. I thought folks were blue in the face hearing my account.

While logged in go to http://www.book-of-thoth.com/check_mine.html

You will see all the threads you have participated in.


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