Animal_Gurl wrote:

Let me know too, I'd love to know if you make any progress. ^^

I've shape shifted into a bird, but only while astral projecting. Something tells me physically will be much harder To tell the truth I would rather be an animal than human.

I'm curious LL have you ever astral projected or had a lucid dream? Some people come out in a different natural form than human. I would also be curious if Hyena found anything.

I have tons of lucid dreams, but no astral travel that I know of.
In those lucid dreams...I always have big leathery dragon wings that I fly around with!


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What if you can borrow "belief attributes" from the animals around you. Or mythical animals? Or imaginary animals? Well this is how you "shape shift".

This is not entirely true, I think you're taking the power and effort needed in such transformation for granted. You cannot simply conjure up in the mind's eye every aspect of biology needed to create a full and living organism to emulate it and project it wholly. As a being who has himself used physical transmutation I know this well.
My experience with this was that I had to actually merge my spiritual bodies with that of a being inhabiting the body of an animal before I could become that animal (elemental and minimal as it was,) but I had no concept of physical bodies as I was not born to one at this time, so it was necessary. Now becoming a human being was a little more like what you were describing but vastly different. As a spiritual being it is far more easily done to identify with the energies of a or another physical body, register what they are within the spectrum of energy, and retain all that information and use that to your advantage when you are not subjected to the forgetting of rebirth. I was so fortunate enough to be what I am, that I had the power to project that information into the physical body that I maintained, this however was an imperfect process; I have learned that when you retain the body of a specific species of animal, the spirit has a memory of every aspect of the biology of that animal, so it is far simpler to use transmutation into such animals. That is why people are thought to be bound to certain types of animals with the powers of shape shifting. My experiment to become human however went somewhat awry..
Although I was, generally human in shape and appearance I was as different as the Mayan seeing the conquistadors for the first time. Without the specific knowledge of actually being human I was not wholly human.
Although with my specific mastery over energy at that time I was beyond any capacity of the human form, as fate had their ways, It lead me to far more misfortune than a regular, human death.
Anyway, I just wanted to point that out, that shape shifting, without being something specifically is imperfect and never comes to be totally realistic as a form of transmutation.

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But I must admit that sounds like a LOT of work to me and I can't really see a great benefit other than a neat party trick.

You must have a very skewed imagination then.
Imagine even in your regular human body, being able to tighten your muscles so much that you could bend steel, run faster than any four-legged animal, to create more rods and cones in your eyes to be able to perceive anything so long as there was the faintest spec of light, and see colors you couldn't even imagine. Imagine you could heighten every nerve in your body so that sex became something so intense, so awful and consuming that to you, the world was a shape and a blur with such intense Ecstasy that could be known only to you.. less it destroy the minds of general human beings... There so much you can do with physical transmutation you can scarcely believe unless your imagination itself has wings--like mine ^^

Wow all this is interesting.

Hyena what makes you think that the spirit remembers the physical body of the animal? I believe it must to some degree because of LL's experiences but maybe you have some personal experience on that as well.

Are you also implying that you need to have been an animal in a previous life time to have the spirit memory of its body to be able to completely change into it?

And I remember once Ragnarok mentioned something about spirits being able to share essence with each other and that he was sharing his with dog? I wonder when/how the exchange actually occurs

Man LL that must be awesome, what kind of shape are you? Bipedal or more like depicted midevil dragons?


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Animal_Gurl wrote:

Man LL that must be awesome, what kind of shape are you? Bipedal or more like depicted midevil dragons?

I'm usually quite bipedal.
In terms of the lucid dreams, I mean.


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Animal_Gurl wrote:

Wow all this is interesting.

Hyena what makes you think that the spirit remembers the physical body of the animal? I believe it must to some degree because of LL's experiences but maybe you have some personal experience on that as well.

Are you also implying that you need to have been an animal in a previous life time to have the spirit memory of its body to be able to completely change into it?

And I remember once Ragnarok mentioned something about spirits being able to share essence with each other and that he was sharing his with dog? I wonder when/how the exchange actually occurs

Man LL that must be awesome, what kind of shape are you? Bipedal or more like depicted midevil dragons?

It connects directly to something like what we know as the collective unconscious, however each individual species has one. Your ethereal bodies also retain a lot of the information of the physical bodies you possessed. You aren't necessarily required to be born as that animal, but connecting to that energy and retaining all that it entails is immensely more difficult without it.
It's like trying to draw the blueprints of the twin towers from memory with Crayola crayons.

Anyway that's how people usually tend to find they have a talent for it, is that your ethereal body tends to favor the former of your physical bodies and tried to transform it back -- If you're comfortable being a wolf, and then you become a dog, you obviously want to go back to what you were comfortable being.

Hello
I have been reading up on the interesting posts on this subject and I find it food for thought as I read.

I guess that it depends on the individual as to how one replies when asked about it.

Legends-Myths-Folklore so there might be some truth to shape shifting. History is full of this stuff it depends on whether what is real and what is mataphor, I would be bold to add is there a psychlogical aspect to the phenomena as well.

Maybe what is happing has all to do with reshaping energy fields that surround us and everything. An ability to change the vibrations to create the desired result with the intent required by the person.

I have heard of the famous "Alien(s) Shape Shifting" on the physcial level but I feel that it not that far from energy shaping which may well lay at the heart of the subject.

There is a good novel by C S Lewis:

The Voyage of the Dawn Treader that is although a novel gives a good insight about shape shifting experience.

Just a thought

HP.Nightcraft

Hi HP, I've read The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, but it was so long ago I can't recall the shape-shifting parts. Could you give a brief recap?


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Hi HP, I've read The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, but it was so long ago I can't recall the shape-shifting parts. Could you give a brief recap?

Hello neblua

It has been a few days and sorry for the delay. Xmas can be quite busy and I am glad it is over at least for myself.

To answer your your question?
It has been some time myself since I have read this novel, but what comes to mind especially with the article of shape shifting I quote from the book came to mind.

In The Voyage of the Dawm Treader
There is something of a transformation of the character Eustace into a dragon.

To quote:
As a dragon-Aslan visits Eustace during the night and turns him back into a boy or human being of sorts.

Regards

HP Nightcraft

Aha! That sounds familiar. Thanks for the reminder, HP. That particular book was always my favorite one of the Narnia series; perhaps it's time for me to re-read it.


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Shapeshifting is directly related to the Tulpa/Golem. Instead of a human form, it can be animal. No real difference, both are externalized psyche in a form based on(in) the hindbrain of the monkey you reside in.

It is your own psychic energy, connected to the monkey brain stem that shapes and filters all thoughts while in the human form. If you have read some of my posts on the 'dream space/purgatory' aspects of death, this will make considerably more sense.


Here's the problem (reluctantly mentioned,as no-one wants to empower the dark) that is not mentioned as is scares the crap out of people:

Typhaon, and similar 'histories'. I mention the lost souls in the purgatory/dream space. Well, they still have human aspects. Fear, loss, desire for closeness. They can be preyed upon, and their energy used.

Typhaon: The hundred (or thousand headed) beast of the dark that created all the evil gods, and was so powerful, he scared the gods into hiding and they turned into different animals to escape him, they feared him so. Zeus himself hid for 100 days, before coming to grips with himself.

So what happens when one bit of energy and another (full of fear and a horrific death, etc)...what happens when it, itself..is a shard and it joins with another? You eventually get your thousand (or hundred) headed beast of the dark.

I'm sorry, but I couldn't make any sense of that whatsoever.
More explanation please?

Hyena wrote:

I'm sorry, but I couldn't make any sense of that whatsoever.
More explanation please?

Click on my profile.

Read as many of my posts as necessary.

You will then have as much answer as you desire. This would be the easiest way, by far, to transmit the knowledge you desire. Just be careful with it.

Prophmaji are you saying that while shapeshifting in the astral we are projecting our consciousness into a thoughtform (tulpa)? I understand people create their own thought forms on a subconscious level all the time but I don't see what that has to do with shapeshifting.


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I'm saying that such IS possible, via the same mechanism.

It the old Pandora's box thing. Once the hole has appeared on the underside of the bucket, the whole innards can leak out. Once the box is opened, it's possible to reach for the rest.

However, one must be careful, and remember, or find out that- your entire psychology can and most time needs reforming along the new paradigm,and that is excruciatingly destructive to the psyche and the ego. They will literally fight to the death to hold on to your inner ignorance..to hold on to the basis that they were formed under, which is the brainstem/response, the reptile, the mammal, the monkey and then the ego/intellect. The ego/psyche are formed as a whole of and based on these parameters, where your basic learning from a screaming unhappy lump started.

Now, to access and understand the psychic world, you have to THROUGH that mess of stuff down there, in the very basis of your childhood. It's on the other side of the unconscious, and then the superconscious resides there.

Which is why you have to 'go clear' to understanding, ie, down to your origins.

Now, once again, those origins fight back, they fight for their very existence. And when you go to the level of astral projection and minimal manifestation, at high levels of energy, you can have those base considerations (as things must be interpreted through them) take shape as a physical manifestation, that is NOT pretty, or even, seemingly....- sane.

Werewolves, tuplas, golem, etc- and the critter mentioned in the thread where I said 'I don't think I was holding my shape too well that day. whoops!'

The problem is, under your conscious mind, resides the memories, the very shape of things... that shaped you, even of the two month old angry child. Most specifically the two month old angry animal child.

I can, if I concentrate while looking at a given person, see the adult, the adolescent, the child, the baby, and the animal, the intellect, the emotions, etc... --and view them all separately. With anyone, even the given 80 year old grandmother.

Some find the eye turned on them like that...quite disturbing. They feel I'm looking deep into them.

I guess I am.

This may not be the exact answer you were looking for, I apologize, it comes out over time, in many chunks and bits, it's too big to tell all at once.

Now, one can manifest evil and nasty things, by remaining in the largely ignorant state..but why create more of the crap you are trying to shed?

The weak and deluded, who exist for earthly pleasures and insanity of some sort, this is the path they take. One of negative reinforcement.

Too bad, it's one hell of a lot more fun when you 'go clear'.

One might say, "I wanna manifest a werewolf'. Cool. Hehheh...

Right. Not cool. That's just hindbrain garbage, pure animalism activating the superconscious state, due to the driven desires from it, into the intellect.

Doing it correctly is infinitely more rewarding and infinitely more fun. Much higher levels of energy, as well. Except..that dang ego has to 'get off', first. Some don't understand that, at least hopefully -not yet- in their journey.

Interesting, well as a pet owner I can tell you some of my animals appear to have egos though not all. I dont think ego is a purely human trait. I think that people have a problem, it gets in the way because they dont treat it as part of them. I agree that some aspects of the mind body and spirit need to be refined in order for any kind of evolution to occur. Why would you need to melt away the ego?

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One might say, "I wanna manifest a werewolf'. Cool. Hehheh...

Right. Not cool. That's just hindbrain garbage, pure animalism activating the superconscious state, due to the driven desires from it, into the intellect.

Doing it correctly is infinitely more rewarding and infinitely more fun. Much higher levels of energy, as well. Except..that dang ego has to 'get off', first. Some don't understand that, at least hopefully -not yet- in their journey.

You are saying there is a right and a wrong way to shape shift? And what do you mean by superconscious?

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Werewolves, tuplas, golem, etc- and the critter mentioned in the thread where I said 'I don't think I was holding my shape too well that day. whoops!'

What thread were you referring to?

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I can, if I concentrate while looking at a given person, see the adult, the adolescent, the child, the baby, and the animal, the intellect, the emotions, etc... --and view them all separately. With anyone, even the given 80 year old grandmother.

Do you have to be in front of the person or can you do that with a picture? Honestly if you let me know what you were doing I would not find that disturbing it would be quite interesting.


And you talk about basically opening a can of worms? How can shape shifting be evil? Isn't it just a tool that can be used either way? I would have fun and play sure, but I would mainly want it to learn.


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this thread:

http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopicp-173102-.html#173102

As for pets having egos, yes. many do. All my pups have. Perhaps that is why I spent time with them, and them with me.

My current pup (14 years old) will have to be put down in the next two weeks. She does not want to go!

Me, I envy her. I want to go from this place. I will dutifully wait it out and finish the work I either came here to do, or volunteered/decided to do,and then leave at the end, with a big smile on my face. It's like holding my breath underwater for 80-90 years. tough gig.

As for ego, ego it is a construct that came to be in the given childhood. Most times, (ok, 99.9999% of the time) it is a problem in adult development. But some might say the point itself is ego, for it is tied most strongly to our issues we are presented with to ..understand. This is part of why it is so difficult to 'go clear' with an ego. The two -in the general sense- mean opposite things.

Understanding Astrology can clear up quite a bit of internal issues with regards to holding up the given individual life like a psychological mirror. When it comes to actually looking at them (issues) - then the understanding begins. Until then, they area a definite part of the internal 'steering committee' and can greatly affect the outcome of a given life.

Tiger said something about healing. My expierience in healing which isnt much but what i can say is that I just feel what i have to do, lay the hands and concentrate on nothing but what my hands feel. For lack of a better word i just do what i feel needs to be done. Its really is hard to describ. think of it as the blind guy who sees by hearing. yes theres a guy that can do this he was on 20/20 or something like that. I think and my hands do the talking. I almost dont even understand it. so Tiger i do undrstand what your trying to say how words alone cant describe whats actually taking place. I'd be greatful for a pm or something on your thoughts.

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I'd be greatful for a pm or something on your thoughts.

P0wW0w, PMs have been disabled for those with fewer than 20 posts, as a defense against people who were signing up and spamming other members. Once your post count reaches 20, you'll be able to send and receive PMs. So, post away!


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Animal_Gurl wrote:

And you talk about basically opening a can of worms? How can shape shifting be evil? Isn't it just a tool that can be used either way? I would have fun and play sure, but I would mainly want it to learn.

The can of worms part is the EGO.

The ego runs the brainstem, well before and well outside the control of the intellect. It is inserted into the mind, via creation of it, around the age of 4 to five in most people.


The superconscious mind, or the multidimensional mind, is connected to via silencing the conscious mind, and then through the conscious mind. The ego interferes in that. A part of the ego is the voice in the mind. Learning to silence that voice, allows one easier, far easier passage past the intellect and the access point of the unconscious mind/superconscious mind. This is where the creativity comes from, those extreme examples of simply 'knowing', the 'channeling'.

With th ego intact, the result of attempting to manifest can and the vast number of times result in Golem, Tulpa or nasty things. Very angry amorphous type creatures, ones of 'dark' shape and origin. The greater the clarity, the greater the clarity of the manifestation.


I would desperately love to go back to full meditation and manifestation, but the practice of such, as close to a major highway as I live -WILL- kill someone. More likely sooner than later. So I'm chained by my respect for my fellow humans, at this time, from reaching for fully realized manifestation, at this time. Bummer. It was weird to make the news on occasion.

Being that big-ass Roc was quite fun, though. My wingspan was about 50-60 ft. I had to be very careful where I landed, as I had to be high enough to get back up into the air proper, aided by a bit of a fall.


"I've just remembered who I am, slightly more than just a woman or a man.

Becoming more like God, becoming God.

I've just seen who you really are, a remarkably accomplished avatar."

-Jah Wobble

Interesting thread.