http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2I-D4jqNLg

Ok what do you lot know about this artist, his he channeling is visions or does he know things we don't. I have to say he as to be an artist that I found profoundly interesting.

When you look at his work what does it say, what religion or belief system could you connect with his visions. I am not very up on gothic history or practice but is his works of a kind of gothic vision. What about Satanism or Luciferianism.

I bet someone knows on this site, and if so what kind of literature would be best to read up more on this darkness ?

Oh and if his work is imagination could one develop a belief system on Giger. For me the alien represents a devolution in the mankind. In fact in a way if Giger is seeing into the future then I believe the more we lose our creative powers we may even lost the power to love and become dark beings or virus like consumerists. Oh no way we already are.

In the interview, he says his mom sometimes asks him to change his paintings. He doesn't strike me as a mama's boy.


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hey its good to see a reply from you Nebula, it seems we both use the same name, infact I sign my paintings with the name Nebula and couldn't use it as a member name because of you lol. What made you use the name I just like the way it sounds and at times I learn that its a very interesting astronomical object, something to do with suns/stars.

I think the thing about Gigers relationship with his mother is that of a secret rebellion and as a fellow painter I think he as anger issues because of the lack of understanding of his honest works.

I also think that Giger as an intense imagination where his mind exists in two worlds in which he can develop and bring it out into reality really well with ease. This intensity leads those to fear the shocking depictions from his hellish visions and through this alone cause's his own alienation especially from women in which he reflects this in his work.

Giger certainly holds a gift of vision in regards to unlocking occult levels and one could easily base a belief system from his work but the fact that he maybe channeling this from something much higher may connect with the depths of some occult beliefs and I am simply wondering which ones.

It seems a shame that I have a lack of response to this thread which I feel just shows the lack of understanding of how much art connects with the core principles of occult findings especially where symbolism comes into play. I also feel that Giger himself extends upon this symbolistic knowledge in a more vivid way.

Many years ago, I read about Giger's claim that he goes to Hel (astrally maybe) and then come back to paint what he saw. He includes tiny 666 in many of his paintings.

I am familiar with his 'world'.
But I doubt you will ever hear him talk openly about his visions, because usually such things are kept secret. It's not something we should divulge to anyone.

It's not something we should divulge to anyone. why i if I may ask ?

madnebula wrote:

hey its good to see a reply from you Nebula, it seems we both use the same name, infact I sign my paintings with the name Nebula and couldn't use it as a member name because of you lol. What made you use the name I just like the way it sounds and at times I learn that its a very interesting astronomical object, something to do with suns/stars.

I like the name Nebula because nebulas are massive clouds of interstellar dust and gas. My brain fog makes my mind feel full of interstellar dust and gas much of the time; my thinking can be rather nebulous and I can feel pretty spaced-out. So it's quite fitting, IMO.

Regarding Giger, I was actually not all that surprised he lets his mom edit his work. He's got issues with women probably due to his mom in the first place. No, no, I'm not saying "it's all mom's fault." I just suspect he's got some unresolved or conflicting feelings about his mom that he projects onto all women in his life. I wonder if all that he doesn't dare say to his mom makes its way into his paintings?


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there's a peacefulness and a rage inside us all.
There's sugar, there is salt,
there's ice and there is fire in every single heart.
There are monsters, there are angels.

"It's not something we should divulge to anyone. why i if I may ask ?"

Many reasons. Most of the time it is personal to the one who have the visions or the travels, for his/her own personal growth. Also, it is somewhat "sacred" and most people who have "dark" visions or travel through "dark" spheres will either keep it for themselves or share it only to fellow brothers and sisters, if they are in a Order. It is usually not something they will spread out over to the public which are called "profanes" or "un-initiated". Also, it would be vain to share it to people who never experienced such things, because most couldn't comprehend. Such experiences are not common things or knowledge that is taught anywhere in public. And the usually the masses view it all as "evil" or relate it to "satan" or "devils" and it quite frustrating for most of us. So we usually prefer to keep it secret and share it only to those who can understand. But here I refer only to the majority. There could be a minority who like to spread it anywhere, even tho I never met such a person.

well i do want to spread it out, and do you know why. Because I live in a world where no one understands my visions and it scares them when they see them.

There are others and Clive Barker and Wes Craven both come to mind.

What makes people so selfish as to think that its a personal thing. to share visions its things like that what you said that cause this information to be exploited by people in power. Do not reply to me again lucia you are not welcome and I am going to shut you away from my thoughts just as you believe people should so taste it.

Hey, madnebula --- chill, dude. I don't think Lucia's post was trying to tell you to put a sock in it. Here at BoT we strive to create a space for many differing opinions and viewpoints, and as long as folks express themselves respectfully, they should expect to be respected in return.


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there's a peacefulness and a rage inside us all.
There's sugar, there is salt,
there's ice and there is fire in every single heart.
There are monsters, there are angels.

?! Darn, calm your nerves down. You obviously didn't get my point. And don't tell me not to reply, I don't receive orders.

I never said you should not speak out. I explained why a lot of people don't speak out. It has been this way for thousands and thousands of years! And there are plenty of good reasons for that. That you understand them or not. Spread whatever you wish to, it's not my business!

Selfish? It's SO FAR from being selfish! And... people in power don't exploit such informations, because they are the first to understand what it is all about.

Clive Barker, Wes Craven??? I seriously don't think we talk about the same matter.

Shut me away from your thoughts. I couldn't care less. You certainly won't change the ways of my ancesters and my kin.

Mr. madnebula!? If you ever make another statement like that you will never come into this site again! I'm not gonna be as nice as neb. That was uncalled for and thoroughly NOT ALLOWED here!

You are new and have come in like you own the place. That will not fly on this board!

Lucia, so sorry for this rude and quite horrible responce, we will be keeping an eye on this dude!


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All is cool, the dude is history.

Too bad, this could have been a great thread. I love this guys art, even if he is a mama's boy.


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Actually, Clive Barker once drew a picture of the 'devilish entity' that he contacts in order to receive his unusual ideas...I came across an explanation for this recently..if I can dig it out I will post it..

I read H R Giger got some of these visions in sleep paralysis, which is a type of sleep disturbance when you don't properly wake up. It's also just from his imagination and I guess vivid nightmares. This artist is similar to the horror writer H.P. Lovercraft and the horror artist Clive Barker. Lovecraft also got visions from nightmares.

Religion closest to this kind of vision is Kenneth Grant's Typhonian O.T.O. (as well as "Chaos Magick" that focuses on Lovecraft for an example and many satanic groups, in any case the Typhonian OTO is pretty much equivalent to satanism).

These kind of groups are all very silly and degenerative in my opinion.

If people really want to learn about their "dark side" they should read the psychologist C.G. Jung and what he writes about the Shadow. It's good to know about your whole being but it's not good to attempt to let negativity control your life. The point is to become conscious of and then transform negativity, not increase it.

Sure thing Kraken

I once read on a Thelemic website that Giger follows Aleister Crowley's teachings, which is called Thelema. Can't find the site again though. Googling the words Giger and Thelema might yield some info.

I ran into the multi-faceted multi-eyed dude, who might resemble a human structure of sorts..about a month ago, or so. Damn. Woke me up, which is a shame. Mighta got in a bit of conversation instead.

("So, Typhon, How's it goin'? Eat any good souls lately?" etc....)

Maybe Giger's work is related to the Cthulu Mythos of Lovecraft's nightmares. If not directly then those realms must be close to each other in the multiverse.

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I ran into the multi-faceted multi-eyed dude, who might resemble a human structure of sorts..about a month ago, or so. Damn. Woke me up, which is a shame. Mighta got in a bit of conversation instead.

("So, Typhon, How's it goin'? Eat any good souls lately?" etc....)

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I once read on a Thelemic website that Giger follows Aleister Crowley's teachings, which is called Thelema. Can't find the site again though. Googling the words Giger and Thelema might yield some info.

Alright, the Typhonian O.T.O. is a Thelemic tradition originating from one of Crowley's disciples. However, note also that Typhon is a demonic name and the "Typhonian current" is a concept about evil or demonic energies that they wish to work with or tap into.

Aliester Crowley himself has been described as a "grey magickan" but really he was a pretty dark shade of grey, although he describes himself as a "White Brother" and those he dislikes as "Black Brothers" it doesn't really say that he was working with "good energies". The meaning "white" & "black" here is vague but Crowley meant to some extent that "Black Brother" refers to someone who is either serious and materialistic or in other cases someone who is close minded/negative, not "enjoying life" and who fails at some point in spiritual practice. Notice that this has nothing to do with ethics but rather personality disposition. For Crowley being spiritual meant enjoying life, being hedonistic and doing whatever you want to do. The difference between Crowley's Thelemite philosophy and satanic groups such as The Church of Satan is that he claimed to be spiritual while the CoS claims to be materialistic and antithesis to spirituality. So most likely Crowley would've rejected such materialistic "satanic philosophy" but he himself was definitely demonic, he both tried to contact demons and used demonic names in his rituals, you could justifiably claim that Crowley was a "spiritual satanist" but depending on how you define the term "satanist". I personally at least would say he was demonic, well of course and he wanted to be known that way! Why, he often tried to project a demonic image or "aura" about himself and he referred to himself as The Beast 666 and occasionally put a symbol of Capricorn the sea-Goat in his signature.

madnebula wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2I-D4jqNLg
When you look at his work what does it say, what religion or belief system could you connect with his visions.

When I asked him about it a few years ago, this is what he told me.

(jk)


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