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In some ways, and this isn't the best of comparisons but, its like going into a deep, profound level of meditation where you reconnect with that inner peace, higher love, understanding etc. etc. Higher consciousness, higher energies, higher vibratory rate in general. BUT, while in this expanded and higher 'state' you're going to get in the car and go out into the world out there and do all the things that we all must do. Work, pay bills, buy grocerys, go into large stores where 'noisy chaos' is 'typical and normal' and NOT get pulled out of our personal higher state of frequency and being. We are 'Keeping a frequency', a much higher frequency of energy in the middle of regular life. Not easy at all, at least not for me as yet!!!

Interestinly enough I have encountered this idea in old Buddhist teachings as well. The acumen of meditation, was/is to be able to maintain a given state of mind under any circumstances, walking, running, cleaning, gardening, fighting, or whatever. It is definately hard work.
One trick I have learned is to use physical cues. This is a concept that is also taught to some extent in Richard Bandlers NLP seminars.

For example, if I go into my fighting stance, I automatically being to shift into a different state of mind, because that physical posture is associated with a given state of mind, being one of total sensitivty and lack of consiouss consideration, letting the body react as it has been trained to.

I have discovered the same sort of thing for doing manual labour and carpentry type jobs as well, in which I focus solely on the task at hand, and not think about everything going on in my life, and just work. It took some time to learn, but now the day goes faster, I get more done, and I feel great at the end of a hard days work.

I think that anyone can learn these things for themselves, and that you basically have to figure out how to trick your consiouss mind in to shutting up, and letting your Will take over.


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But now whenas the battle had dured a while, there came a man into the fight clad in a
blue cloak, and with a slouched hat on his head, one-eyed he was...

Honestly, I dealt with it by becoming emotionally callous. I still open up to people or things I identify with, but generally, I just don't care anymore. I deal with people on a case by case basis. And I can out negative anyone if need be. It's like drowning out an annoying conversation with a bullhorn.

IMHO, people don't really want to hear the truth, they don't want to see themselves as other see them, and they don't want to take any personal responsibility for anything, so I'm done sacrificing my own mental state for the status quo. Obviously, not everyone is like that, especially on a site like this, but a large chunk of the general population is.

I'm still depressed in general, but deal with it by being cynical, sarcastic and blackly humorous.

When things just keep going wrong, happy go lucky people crash and burn. Pessimists already expected things to suck, so they aren't emotionally destroyed by adversity.

I might be a surly bastard at times, but I'm racking up the character. I just thank God I listened to myself and not my guidance counselor, who told me I should be a psychologist.


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Evil: "When I have the map, I will be free, and the world will be different, because I have understanding."

Robert: "Understanding of what, master?"

Evil: "Digital watches."

lurkerx,

Your honesty was refreshing and entertaining at the same time! And I must be honest too and admit that I can relate to much you said. At my age and after all that I've been through, I just don't "suffer fools" well at all any more!!!

I think at this point that humanity is polarizing into 2 main groups. The ones who are and can hold the higher frequencys and consciousness......and the ones who can't or just don't want to yet. No blame, no 'better than' or 'less than' or anything like that. This I think is just how it goes. And I feel that both sides are pretty equally fed up with the other half. Everyones exhausted and dealing with SO much.

BUT having said all that, please don't forget that the road to Spirit is through your high Heart so don't close it off completely. That dosen't mean you have to do or feel anything about the others. But you do need to keep an inner road open for you to be able to get to YOU!

Suffering from depression and being empathic is an interesting topic.

I often find that there are some people I don't want to be around. It's not because I don't like them so much as they are draining and I come away from time spent with them feeling 'down'. Generally these people have problems of their own but even when we're not talking about that I still feeled down.

I also suffer from depression and would love to kick the drugs to see if I could heal myself. I would also like to be able to test a few of the new ideas that I've learned since discovering the BoT but I think anti-d's do block you from higher learning.

I have learned to avoid those situations and people that make me feel worse abd being alone can be a big relief.

My daughter also seems to get empathy overload when she's in a crowd and will often disappear 'into herself' - usually on my lap! I hope I'll be able to help her learn how to deal with these situations so she can avoid the chance of developing an empathic depression in the future.

PS. Sorry about resurrecting such an old one but I find it very interesting


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I've thought about trying the drugs, but I think, at best, it'd make me numb, and at worst, someone I'm not. It's hard to deal on your own sometimes, especially when you always seem to take 1 step forward and 2 steps back. I just try to hang onto the thought that time dilutes everything when that happens.


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Evil: "When I have the map, I will be free, and the world will be different, because I have understanding."

Robert: "Understanding of what, master?"

Evil: "Digital watches."

I think the drugs make me numb. They take away the bad stuff but you lose the highs too. I think you need a healthy mix of both and I'd only recommend the drugs to someone who couldn't get the highs anymore. That's what happened to me.

I'm still too scared to stop but I'm learning so much now that I'm sure the time will come soon. In the meantime I don't judge myself too harshly for needing a crutch.


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Good Morning Starshine ....the Earth says 'Hello'

I think they work, not so much by getting rid of depression, as by making you indifferent to everything in general. You don't care enough to be depressed anymore.


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Evil: "When I have the map, I will be free, and the world will be different, because I have understanding."

Robert: "Understanding of what, master?"

Evil: "Digital watches."

Man I get this too. With a lot of sad, under the influence, irritated, and all other negative emotions, it makes me feel negative before I even see them. But I will not take drugs for the reason that I do believe they tamper with my psi. Anything that messes with the mind messes with psi.


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Like I said, the drugs make you very level. No ups no downs. I am quite sure they would mess with a person's psychic abilities as it can be really hard to feel anything.


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Good Morning Starshine ....the Earth says 'Hello'

Hi ......

Something that has puzzled me .......

...... anti-depressants would appear to numb us spiritually etc .....

....... why does it also inhibit us sexually, ie why does it kill the sexual urge ?

Graham

If someone truly has a sustainable ability this is not going to be an issue. Nor are those people going to ask the doctor what they should do about it... they are going to seek the help of the energetic. Depression in regards to psychics (at least to me) just means that they have a long way to go before they get the results they want.

Energy is energy... we can label it all the different things we want to. But in the end, its a matter of training your body to receive the energetic. Well being and accumulating energy go hand in hand.

I have had the gift of clairaudience (since I was 5-6 years old) or what my mom always said "they speak to you". after studying buddhism for 7 years and learning the gift of meditation, being raised christian and having the utmost faith in what gave me this gift..my depression and abilities have simply increased with age. After so many years in meditation to actually learn to clean what has rubbed off onto my own aura and energy..my abilities have become the gift of sight..extreme empathic too.
I once met a girl that had an abortion and complained to me of bleeding, within an hour of speaking to her, I had to run to the bathroom for I had started bleeding.
I take in throw away teenagers..someone, I felt needs to help these kids. My talks to them resonate...and they change their lives..a couple have escaped the meaning, but most have gotten jobs, now live on their own, bough cars, gone to college, etc. I am very proud of them. But it is the constant unloading that the new teens bring upon me that I try to help. I feel I have over extended my spiritual self.
Now, depression overtakes me at least 2 weeks out of a month. Of which I need to sit with no TV, (if you are hypersensitive like me, you woill understand what happens if the hubby tunes the tv to cnn for a couple of hours).
With teens living in my house, along with my own teens, I get overcome, and meditation is very hard for me...its hard for me to get that break.
I even had a psychic working with me as a mentor trying to teach me..but all I did was constantly pick up on her energy...it drove me nuts.
So anyone have any help..I have tried the medication route and I guess that feeling of being blocked(thats the effect anti depressants have on me)...scares me as I have always had this empathic issue..I dont really feel like myself. I feel like a zombie.
Any suggestions?

Hi mommakaren!

I too am clairaudient, although mine usually doesn't happen unless I'm touching something, then I hear the vibe or "voice" of whatever I'm holding.

I wish I had some advice for you, because what you describe about being hypersensitive applies to me as well. I find solitude to be extremely therapeutic; being able to be in an environment with very low-level stimuli, and where I can control the nature and amount of the stimuli, is what works best for me. It isn't very practical, though -- very hard to achieve in today's speed-of-light fast-paced world.


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There are monsters, there are angels,
there's a peacefulness and a rage inside us all.
There's sugar, there is salt,
there's ice and there is fire in every single heart.
There are monsters, there are angels.

Hi Mommakaren,

I am empathic and also seek solitude and grounding as a means of coping. Meditation helps me. I also study from the Book of Storms and read from the forum. Google Book Of Storms - it is a free online book / lessons written to help empaths and other gifted people learn to cope with things.

The forum members are helpful because they make you realize that you are not alone, nor are you odd.

Not advertising as everything is free. The psychologist who developed this material believes in sharing to help all.

It will take time and commitment to oneself. But you are worth it.

Enaid

I agree with what Chi_Disciple said in the first post of this thread..

ANYONE can learn through meditation..It opens so many doors in the mind that you never knew you had.. You are able to control the body..pain..anxiety..depression..you are able to calm the soul..and for some leave the body..

Searching within one's own self..can lead to many answers..

To extend this meditation Buddhist monks have a goal of becoming one with the universe..To allow one's self to actually leave the body and the mind and be one.
It sounds far fetched but I did achieve it once..and I was not even attempting.

If one can achieve this higher state of being..then one becomes everything in the universe at one time..and is everywhere....being the energy that is EVERYWHERE in our universe..after all we are not of solid mass..and to become one..is truly not that difficult when one is only energy..

It is certainly hard to explain..such a thing..when one's own / my own human mind cannot fully comprehend..That is the point that most do not understand..None of us..you, me anyone can fully understand with our human minds..we must learn to leave them.. to gain full understanding.

Even though..I did have this (what I call) awakening and fully understood life and the universe..when I returned to my body..ALL the understanding began to fade..All the feelings of TRUE love and happiness also began to fade..as my mind began to take over once again..

I gasped onto everything that I could..but it was next to nothing compared to..as I was out of body/mind and as one with the universe.
It did change me though..to the point of being a totally different human than what I was prior to the awakening..I am living my life..fully aware now..fully awakened.

If everyone could achieve this and could continue to achieve this..what a glorious world we could have..

The mind is the most powerful thing we have...It can show you the universe..it can show you everything...it can allow you to be everything..

mommakaren,
It sounds like you are giving up too much positive energy and leaving none for you..It takes a lot..dealing with negative..it can be very exhausting..I am sure you know that part very well..
I commend you for your noble efforts to help those who are lost..You are a very beautiful human to do such acts. BUT..you really need to give your self time to rejuvenate you positive energies..

I can tell that is the case because of how you are mentioning your depression..THAT is not an effect from meditation..that I do know..
It is from the lack of positive in you..I do not mean your mind..you seem very strong..I mean your energy..YOU..inside you..your entity or spirit..or whatever you want to call it.

I am not a doctor..and am not suggesting anything..but..I am telling you from my own personal experience..that those marshmallow pills they give for depression..do not help one meditate or even think clearly.
Those marshmallow pills seem to prevent you from even achieving a true peace..as your mind cannot focus..

Meditation..is a very serious answer..and if you have 7 years of meditation under your belt..You should be very capable in achieving whatever you set out to do.
The mind controls the body..but you (your soul) controls the mind..That is the only order you can have.. to achieve what you need.

Like I said..I am not a doctor..and I am NOT suggesting you stop taking any meds.. I think that if things are not getting better after the initial time period they gave you..then you should talk..very openly to your doctor..perhaps he/she will understand and may have alternative ideas for you.. I know many western doctors..are waking up to other methods being used with positive results.

Take care and good luck to you!


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This 18 minute clip seemed to fit well with the current flow of this thread, so I thought I'd post it here for consideration: Link.

Credit for this one goes to katsmeow, who found it and passed the link on to me. Thanks kats

It's interesting watching the varied but uniformly overlapping reactions to that first perceptive "step beyond". Almost invariably those who manage it get thoroughly lost in the ecstatic feel good of that one alternative, and never notice that it is but a single step, with much more beyond it which is far more profound.

Heh... "damn this feels so good... I'll stay right here"




Tiger


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"Logic and reason are as limited as faith. All three collapse under their own rules of exclusivity in the end, they simply do so at different rates."

Thanks for the video Tig and kats What a yowza moment for me. The whole left brain right brain thing.

This woman really shattered some myths. (although I wonder what it would have been like had the right side of her brain had been damaged .. )

The thing that was really profound for me is the idea that we are two separate individuals chattering... reminded me of the cartoons with the devil on one shoulder and the angel on the right.




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The problem with communication, is the illusion that it has been accomplished.- George Benard Shaw

It's an interesting account for sure. I loved the "oh how cool" routine LOL

btw, I like the new sig you got there Reb. TANSTAAFL




Tiger


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"Logic and reason are as limited as faith. All three collapse under their own rules of exclusivity in the end, they simply do so at different rates."

I wasn't surprised that she had the "oh cool" attitude. After all, she is of the "scientist" mindset. She clearly had a ...

As this relates to the thread - are we to assume that the right brain is where we go to meditate and/or find those things that our logical side cannot see (or ignores)?

Perhaps the "depression" is merely a result of the debate that goes on between both hemispheres?


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The problem with communication, is the illusion that it has been accomplished.- George Benard Shaw

Or it's the gateway for the mind to get there, or "it takes two to tango", or any of several other variations. I guess which one ya like depends on if you take your faith straight or with a mixer.

Potayto, potahto.




Tiger


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"Logic and reason are as limited as faith. All three collapse under their own rules of exclusivity in the end, they simply do so at different rates."