I dunno how many people still suck on diet drinks..and use these sweeteners.. I see it everywhere..It's like no one sees..or understands..or cares..( nothing new I guess)

It has also been proven to increase weight..There is no diet..in those drinks..only poisons..

“In any such study of even a few hundred test animals, it takes no more than a dozen or so of them to exhibit a particular lesion… to associate with the test agent, i.e., aspartame or its related chemicals.”

"Dr. Adrian Gross, FDA toxicologist in a letter to Senator Howard Metzenbaum, Oct. 30, 1986."


Anyway..here is the site..

Death or Diet?


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I recently watched the documentary "Sweet Misery - A poisoned world". It's about the history of aspertame and how dangerous it is. Definitely a must see.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-566922170441334340


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water can be a deadly poison, if you drink enough of it,or you breathe it.

the best bet for diet sodas is to just drink water. only what the supplier adds to it is in it (fluorine, chlorine etc). but you could filter that out.


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14% of people know that.

never attribute to conspiracy that which can amply be attributed to the actions of a bunch of greedy stupid self serving men in power

yes i can read minds. yours is blank most days..

These days when I'm dying for a soda pop, I take some fruit juice (orange, mango, pineapple, peach etc...) and just add some club soda. Only natural fruit sugars present, and very tasty!

Personally I only drink spring water now, not tap water. I don't want to drink chlorine, fluoride, etc etc etc...


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I have heard many negative and wild things about aspartame, and recently found an interesting but possibly bias video online about this man made drug and its physical and political effects.

Aspartame and Slavery

The video is 35mbs and the password for the zip file is cyjack.com


One is never quite sure how seriously to take things like this, but caution seems to be the wisest avenue when walking through a dark forest. Why would one drink black water when one could drink clear water?


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minifang wrote:

water can be a deadly poison, if you drink enough of it,or you breathe it.

This is rather fuzzy reasoning, because water is essential to life. If we are deprived of it, we will die.

However, aspartame is not essential to life. People have lived for millennia without aspartame, and survived just fine. Aspartame is artificial. People do not require artificial substances concocted in labs by chemical companies (whose boards of directors have ties to various branches of government) to live perfectly healthy lives.

When water kills, it is not because it is poisonous or toxic; it is deadly for other reasons (cutting off oxygen to the lungs or disrupting other physiological processes). Aspartame can be toxic in an of itself, however.

To compare aspartame with water does not make a very good argument for the relative safety of aspartame.

I agree with what Cyjack said about choosing clear water over black water.


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i was not arguing for the safety of aspartame. i was pointing out that anything, even that which is vital to life, can be deadly.one of the other ingredients of many sodas is phosphoric acid. the MSDS for phosphoric acid read something along the lines of deadly poison, yet they dump it into the soda.

the following is required to be posted and free for general knowledge (where used), by law, so its not in violation of this forum:

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Safety data for phosphoric acid




General

Synonyms: orthophosphoric acid
Molecular formula: H3PO4
CAS No: 7664-38-2
EC No: 231-633-2
EC Index No: 015-011-00-6

Physical data

Appearance: colourless odourless liquid
Melting point: 21 C (pure)
Boiling point: 158 C (pure)
Typical concentration: see data for typical acids and bases
Vapour density: 3.4
Vapour pressure: 2.2 mm Hg at 20 C
Specific gravity: 1.685
Flash point:
Explosion limits:
Autoignition temperature:
Stability

Stable. Incompatible with powdered metals, strong bases, iron-containing compounds.
Toxicology

Corrosive - causes burns. Harmful if swallowed and in contact with skin. May be harmful through inhalation. Very destructive of mucous membranes, respiratory tract, eyes and skin. Typical TLV 1 mg/m3. Typical PEL 1 mg m-3.

Toxicity data
(The meaning of any abbreviations which appear in this section is given here.)
ORL-RAT LD50 1530 mg kg-1
UNR-MAN LDLO 200 mg kg-1
IHL-RAT LC50 > 850 mg/m3/1h
SKN-RBT LD50 2740 mg kg-1

Risk phrases
(The meaning of any risk phrases which appear in this section is given here.)
R21 R22 R34.
Transport information

(The meaning of any UN hazard codes which appear in this section is given here.)

Personal protection

Safety glasses, adequate ventilation, rubber or plastic gloves.

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now heres where you might say "well its diluted down immensely"
to which i say "like fluorine in your tap water is diluted down"

soda is NOT good for you in any form. (aspartame or not, processed sugar is just as evil)
fluoridated water is NOT good for you in any form
and there are many many examples just like this we all could name.


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statistics can be used to prove anything
14% of people know that.

never attribute to conspiracy that which can amply be attributed to the actions of a bunch of greedy stupid self serving men in power

yes i can read minds. yours is blank most days..

My point is, Aspartane has taken over the daily lives of so many people.. It is not only diet drinks..its in foods too..It is everywhere..and being eaten by millions still.

I see that so many cannot believe their governments would allow for such toxins to be sold as food..

So the sheeple continue..to blindly follow..


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entity wrote:

My point is, Aspartane has taken over the daily lives of so many people.. It is not only diet drinks..its in foods too..It is everywhere..and being eaten by millions still.

I see that so many cannot believe their governments would allow for such toxins to be sold as food..

So the sheeple continue..to blindly follow..

brought to you by your (bought and paid for) friendly FDA.
the golden rule applies here.

/*edit*/ add this MSDS link for aspertame.
funny part is "The toxicological properties of this substance have not been fully
investigated."


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statistics can be used to prove anything
14% of people know that.

never attribute to conspiracy that which can amply be attributed to the actions of a bunch of greedy stupid self serving men in power

yes i can read minds. yours is blank most days..

A timely story...

Sour News For Fans Of Artificial Sweetener

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_19502.aspx


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ASPARTAME INTERACTS WITH ALL DRUGS, VACCINES AND TOXINS
Posted 13 APRIL 2005

Who knows more about the toxicity of aspartame than the FDA. Their toxicologist, Doctors Adrian Gross and Jacqueline Verrett strenuously objected to aspartame approval for 16 years.

article


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Yet another tragedy we have Donald Rumsfeld to thank for....


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Agreed, Chi.


Thanks for the links guys!


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Chi_Disciple wrote:

Yet another tragedy we have Donald Rumsfeld to thank for....

Donald Rumsfeld and Aspartame


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Quote:

Dr. Martini recommends that consumers read all labels on any food, medicine or drinks they intend to consume.

This is good advice, but the problem is that the FDA has relaxed their rules on food labels. Anything like Aspartame, saccharin, and corn syrup can be listed as a "sweetener"; MSG can be listed as a "spice"; any added coloration can just be labeled as "food color". Reading the labels of food products gives you absolutely no idea what's actually in it.


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Wow, tricky FDA... However I still think that makes it easy. I'd argue that you shouldn't eat any foods labeled with: sweetener, spice, and food color...


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Mboy..thanks for your link..It's a good one..lots of finer details that I was unaware..

S.S. It sounds like..FDA has other motives..other than to protect the consumer from ingesting poisons.


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I am so relieved to see this post here, I am no really INTO things that are considered "conspiracy" or a fearfull, negative nature, but when it comes to aspertame I have a strong, strong message to deliver.
I lost my husband after 37 years of marraige. He was healthy, didn't smoke. Our diets were pretty much organic and of a healthy nature. He jogged/walked every day and seemed to be the epitome of good health. However, he chewed sugarless gum, pack after pack, day after day. The gum was aspertame sweetened and I could not get him to heed my "senses" that it was not good for him.
It seemed over night ( actually 2 months after diagnosis) he "suddenly" died of pancreatic cancer. It is my deepest, regretful belief that the aspertame caused his death. It has become my "mission" to tell anyone who will listen, to please heed the artificial sugars in food. I honestly believe regular processed sugar is far healthier than any of the artificials. Also, I feel some artificial sugars, called by other names, is the same as aspertame.
I enjoy honey, fruitose and the raw sugars when I have a sweet tooth. Please think about it. What does a DIET do if you're dead? Just my thought.
Thank you for allowing me a place to speak of this.
Love, Willow

Thankyou Willow for sharing that 'cautionary tale' with us...

Quote:

The aspartame molecule has three components: aspartic acid,
phenylalanine and methanol, amino acids swimming in petrochemicals. "It is
a powerful metabolic poison," Martini says, "a witches brew of breakdown
products. The methanol - wood alcohol- converts to formaldehyde and
eventually formic acid (ant sting poison). The breakdown product of
diketopiperazine, DKP, is a tumor agent."

The quote is from a link telling of more horror stories...

http://users.westnet.gr/~aesclep/alexfear.htm

Avoid Nutrasweet at all costs...


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I would like to add my thanks Willow, also bring to back two links from the forum,we have been talking about this since 2005. I still try very hard to avoid it.Thankfully our laws mean it has to be listed.(as far as I know).

http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopicp-57101-aspartame.html#57101
http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopicp-130139-aspartame.html#130139


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This is the reason I was horrified to find out they were in Bachs Flower Remedy pastilles. These remedies are supposed to contain nothing other than flower essence and energy in a water based alcohol preserved tincture.

I have posted a thread on my horror.... and have checked out other products , which seem fine. http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopicp-184954.html#184954

Interestingly , the pastilles on some sites state that another artificial sweetner is used , I shall be looking into that one.

Easiest way is to avoid when you can , I know , but sometimes it is sneaked into stuff you wouldnt expect , like 100% natural pastilles!

I have contacted the manufacturers and asked for reasons


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Here is a link to a page with trade info for aspartame from December 8, 1970.

It's worth the time it takes to read but it will anger you, I think.

Voluntary Submission - Confidential - Trade Secret Information


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