I don't know exactly where to put this. I saw Occult so I decided to put it here, but if it goes somewhere else then be my guest to move it.

I guess the best place to begin would be to say that as a child I saw apparitions. At the age of 4 or 5 I awoke to what I call a "physical man made of shadow" standing in front of me in a sort of bent position. His entire being seemed to be made up of shadow though it felt like if I reached out I would touch his solid form. I also saw what looked like tiny embers or stars inside his body - that I can't really explain. I put the blanket over my head until I felt safe again. I was such a young age I didn't know to distinguish them from the others things that I was seeing. I would see children playing in my room, a woman in an old dress, a man standing in the light in the hallway in front of my bed that I did not know. At the age of 11 I was walking through a common route in the cemetery on the way to my house with a good friend of mine at dark (I don't remember what time it was). As we reached within about 10 feet of the gate (or so) a sense of dread filled both of us, seemingly, at the same time. A strange fog ascended in front of us and my friend yelled for me to run as we were both rather scared. Time seemed to grow very slow, almost still. It was very hard to run and as I looked around everything was happening so slowly. My chest was constricting and it was getting difficult to breathe. I remember sensing a strong presence on the left side of us but behind the trees that overlooked the tombstones, and it almost felt as though it was not on the ground but airborne. Finally we reached the open gate and once we were through the feelings were lifted immediately.

In recent days during the ending of Summer of last year I decided to go camping with my boyfriend near the top of the mountain at Cache Canyon. After we settled into a nice cozy spot we wandered off into the hiking trail amongst the trees. Around this point I began to feel like something was wrong, and we didn't need to be here. Something was compromising our safety, and I think that is the best way to describe how I felt. As soon as we were standing directly at the hiking path we were looking down into the shadows. I immediately noticed two very large shadows about the size of 8 or 9 ft. tall. They stood side by side and were very still and seemed to be not only aware of our presence but we seemed to be their complete purpose. My boyfriend did not see them right away as he was peering around the trees in curiousity. My first thought was to look around for any sign that this may be a trick - I looked for a car, campfire, a person, anything that may have been the cause of what I was seeing. I think deep down I knew what I was seeing but logically I didn't want to jump to conclusions. The only way I knew to mention the sight to my boyfriend was to simply tell him that "people were down there" so I did. Needless to say we left early that night. They never moved other than a strange writhing in place, after a few moments.

Now, I feel like that I am being followed most times at night (I know that sounds really typical) by something that disappears once I glimpse it. I see whispy entities in my house almost nightly. Honestly, I feel as though my spirit is at stake. I can't explain this. My boyfriend is involved. We are both constantly getting sick even though every blood test, every doctor's trip "seems" to be completely normal. Does this ring or even sound accurate to anybody?

I've moved this to It Happened To Me, since it seems to be a better fit here.

Wow, creepy stories, Thora! I can recall seeing dark, shadowy shapes just once, and they were emanating out of a person, and seemed to be inhabiting that person or attached to that person in some way, so I wasn't concerned for myself all that much (but I saged my apartment after the person left anyway, just to be sure).

Have you saged your home? Do you visualize white light? Do you do any kind of affirmations, or any kind of proactive protection for yourself and your residence? If not, those might be good places to start.

Hopefully some others will chime in with their take on this.


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There's sugar, there is salt,
there's ice and there is fire in every single heart.
There are monsters, there are angels.

Thanks for you reply.
I, personally, have always been rather skeptical about sage. How does it keep evil spirits or demons away? I don't know how to protect myself (proactive - unknown to me) and I have no clue what 'affirmations' are. Which is why I'm looking for advice. At this point praying doesn't seem to be enough. That is why I feel that I need advice and some help.

- I realize that I made that last post a bit small. I didn't mean to.

By proactive, I meant that you could be doing something actively to protect yourself in an on-going manner, rather than have to undo damage done by something negative after it already happens.

Sage has been used for centuries to cleanse living spaces of negative energy. I'm sure someone has formulated some kind of explanation as to how it works, but all I know is that I've seen it work in my own home.

When I lived in San Francisco I had some off-the-wall flatmates over the years, and one was your stereotypical roommate from hell. She eventually moved out but on very hostile terms, and literally the minute she was gone I lit some sage and walked clockwise through her empty room. I could physically feel certain areas that were asking for more sage -- pockets of negative energy had collected there, thanks to her. The sage helped to neutralize them and cleanse them away, preventing them from contaminating the rest of the apartment.

I like to use flower remedies: Bach and Flower Essence Society (I have more of an affinity for the latter). They work on an energetic level to keep your mental, emotional and psychic energies balanced and healthy. I could not get through my day without my flower essences. I know that the flower remedies have affirmations to be used in conjunction with taking them, but I haven't used the affirmations since my very first weeks of getting used to them. It was easier for me to use just my right hemisphere for the experience, and leave spoken language and words out of it. That worked better for me, but of course, everyone has their own personal experience, and some find great value in speaking the affirmations as they take the essences.

Can you visualize a white light surrounding you? Sometimes I can, very brightly, but other times I cannot. I'm more sound-oriented anyway; I'm not much of a visual person, so visualizations aren't a reliable means for me to use. Others seem to be a lot more adept at it than I am.

I hope others can chime in with their experiences with sage, affirmations and/or visualizations. Something might ring a bell for you, so to speak, as an avenue to pursue.


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There are monsters, there are angels,
there's a peacefulness and a rage inside us all.
There's sugar, there is salt,
there's ice and there is fire in every single heart.
There are monsters, there are angels.

I heal. So when I do my work I tend to feel as though that God is with me and I am surrounded by a white light. My hands are always filled with a tingling and a warmth when I go to someone to heal and I feel as though he is working through me.
I looked up affirmations, and I feel that that may work nicely. I would much rather like to accompany that with another activity as well to fight this. I don't think that one block a day will do the job to build the wall if you can understand that.

Thank you for your help

Thora, I did try to get here with an answer for you. Unfortunately, I kept ending up at the other server. I seem to take the scenic route everywhere. I finally fired up another computer and made it here.

I have also been dealing with entities since I was very young. At the ripe old age of 55, I have managed to come across a new kind that is rather bothersome to me. I do not know what the answer is to all of them as they are all different. I can tell you that I have always taken something metal into "battle". I am currently looking for a sword. I have seen it in my dreams and in waking thought. I just have to locate it.

I have never used sage or white light. I can say that many folks suggest that. It just is not something that seems to be at hand when these things pop up. I wish you all the best in your dealings with this. Stay safe and strong.

dolphin


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Thora

You need to keep strong , for yourself and your boyfriend. In your home you could use Sage as nebula suggests , and maybe sandalwood incense or something similar.

Be very positive and strong in your affirmations , do not offer fear as an attractive source of energy.... Affirm to yourself calmy and regularly that your love , energy and light is created only for you to keep for yourself and those you care about.Sometimes there maybe energies drawn to the energy you and your boyfriend create or enhance through love.

This may be dark energy ,but not necessarily bad or evil... but if it makes you feel uncomfortable or even ill or stressed you are right to do something about it.

As Nebula suggests , I would cleanse your home as much as possible, opening all windows and doors when the day is sunny and bright.Smudging Sage through each room , and trying to bestow light , even good energy in each room .
Try meditation to protect and calm yourself. Once you are feeling calm , positive and strong , create a 'bubble' of protection around yourself , and visualise it around your boyfriend.Make sure you are positive about the healing and protection within this bubble.

This is your sacred space , and try your best to ensure that you keep it . Use the positivity of Love from your boyfriend, family and yourself to build up a strength to protect yourself and others.


edited to change Dolphins name to Nebula and get my facts right !


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Thanks for giving me so much credit, newby, but I am not the one who does saging and white light. I believe nebula gets the credit for those suggestions.

The things I deal with are the things that hurt people and will not leave. I am the one who has been called because people have found out about me through word of mouth.

To me the things that zip around and move stuff and make weird sounds are not an issue. They are an irritant.

The things that leave bruises, cuts, scratches, lumps, bumps, and burns are the ones I get called in to look at. I turned down a request for the first time in my life about 2 or 3 months ago. Someone who knew me well had asked me to help a person who had somehow gotten attached to something when she was playing with the "black arts". I learned many years ago that voodoo and other black arts are not my forte.

It scares me that people believe if you love something that is attempting to harm you and send it white light and the sweet smell of sage, all will be well. I have even had folks tell me that anything evil can be turned to good by surrounding these things in white light. Other folks teach at different chat sites that there is nothing bad or harmful out there. This narrow point of view has driven at least 3 people that I know to the verge of suicide. They were so terrified in the life they had been thrust into that they would rather be dead than deal with it any longer. Those have been the cases I have dealt with.

I know a lot of people do not watch the Ghost Whisperer because it is just too frightening and unreal. They think dealing with things that are not in human form should be smiles, hugs, and a warm wave goodbye. That might make a wonderful Disney movie, but it does not express reality. And yes, I know people can make their own reality....at least that is what I have heard.

However, those folks do not speak out of experience. They have read a bunch of books, gone to some presentations, listened to some radio broadcasts, and think they now have all the answers. Yet when it comes down to a call for help, they won't help. Why do you think that is?

I know I am coming across as harsh, but it is the reality in which I exist. It is from experience that I speak. It is also from experience that I stopped speaking. Folks are much more comfortable with the idea that everything outside the human physical reality is sweet and loving. Kind of like the person who thinks the world is a safe place until the first time they are mugged.

This thread is the first one I have taken part in that dealt with a troubling situation in quite some time. The only reason I posted here is because I really do believe Thora has something that needs to be taken care of. If sage and thinking about white light works, go for it. Just don't be surprised if it does not. It takes a great deal of thought energy to make these incantations, amulets, smells, etc. work. If you are good enough with your thought energy, then you can make it work, Thora. If not, you may have to look for a different method.

I still say be strong and safe.

dolphin


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Hi Thora,

I'm no expert or anything like that...
Part of your issue is that you are aware of them... (shadows \ spirits)

I'm not a bible thumper, but did have a life after death experience as a teenager.... did experience a spiritual warfare with shadows\spirits. My best description of them would be spiritual insanity. (That's a different story).

I think there is a difference between shadows & demons.
Demons are very ancient beings.... a spiritual sword is truly needed.

As for me I have had to place my faith in Christ Jesus, because I have seen & experienced way to much...lol At times for me you truly have to fight a good fight, and keep the faith. Once saved always saved... (HINT).

Still be aware that they know you are aware of them......
Also... start fighting.... keep fighting.... Stand in love.

Just my two cents - take what you may and leave the rest.

I agree with the house cleansing. I currently use nag champa incense but have been meaning to get some sage. I do it about once a month. I walk slowly thru the house, making sure to get all the corners, windows and entrances. I say prayers/spells. Something along the line of - Surround this home with the golden light of love. Only positive energies are welcome here. All others be gone you are not welcome. Fill this home with light, love and good energy. Negativity you are not welcome - be gone this is my home.

I also visualize (maybe once a week or more) the people I love and our home surrounded with a protective golden column of light.

This leaves friends and good entities the ability to visit me. And they do. I am just not (usually) talented enough to figure out who they are. LOL

Thora, have you posted this before? As I read the first post and many of the responses I felt like I was re-reading them... but this is the first I've been at BoT in several days.

*sigh* Anyway, in my experience sage is simply one of many natural substances (herbs, stones, etc) that have inherent energetic uses. To determine the specific magical use of an herb one can start with looking at its medicinal properties - sage is medicinally antiseptic so energetically it helps clear out unwanted energy; lavender is also medicinally antiseptic and antimicrobial, too, so it can support or even replace sage as a smudge; lavender's medicinal properties that help calm and soothe the body can energetically help neutralize malevolent energy; couch grass and gold coin grass are medicinally significantly supportive for the kidneys, so energetically they help promote protective energy when used as a smudge (the kidneys are located in the lower back; herbs that support the kidneys energetically help protect from things that might sneak up on a person or cause them fear).

Again, this is my experience with smudging and may not be the same for everyone.

Still a bit puzzled over why this is so familiar! I could swear I'd read this series somewhere else...



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dolphin wrote:

Thanks for giving me so much credit, newby, but I am not the one who does saging and white light. I believe nebula gets the credit for those suggestions.

Apologies Dolphin , I have corrected my post....!


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Spiritzepher I thought the EXACT same thing when I read the first post....I remembered particularly the camping story!!! Was going to ask but thought against it. I am pretty sure I read it on another thread!


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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Yep here is Your thread Thora...link


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When one tugs at a single thing in nature, he finds it attached to the rest of the world.

~John Muir

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Thanks for the interesting information, spiritzephyr. I have been looking at plant information for a while now, so it came in handy.

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In another thread I was talking about lifeforms made of subtle subatomic materials. I think this kind of thing happens so often. I hear so much about it, these energetic and half-solid entities of wide varieties crossing over or up into more obvious physical effects.

I have had problems with shades in the passed. "Shadow people" is another term commonly used. One of my best friends had worse experiences than me with them, though he mostly refused to talk about what happened, and would often go silent, leave or change the subject when I wanted to talk to him more about it.

The shades I encountered personally were not like yours in so far as I believe yours are quite thick, evolved, parabiological, etc. The ones I encountered were based on something between futuristic nano-technology, AI, magick, illusions and genetic splicing in all sorts of dimensions. They were originally a weapon which destroyed both their makers and their foes, and controlled them both then spread very much from one reality to the next.

There are many species of these shadowey entities and I will not be able to describe much other than the strain I encountered. I would assume the main reason why they are around you is because they use your bodies in order to reproduce themselves, planting 'spores' in under your body, soul and subconscious mind areas, Thora. Althought people talk about greys and reptilians mindcontrolling parts of the earth and having certain agendas, not many people talk about the shades. The shades are truly a sizable player in this whole game, but you can pretty much guess why no contactees have ever said much about them during world warnings. Normally shades are masters of deception and hidden mindcontrol. You know another one of my friends was experiencing something like an attack or interferance from one of them just earlier this evening, but again of a different species. This is happening everywhere. It's huge. There are whole dimensions and races entirely under hidden mindcontrol, constantly spreading their influence.

They mainly operate in the realms of consciousness and spirit but have also extended over into the physical allot. There is such variety in the species and strains, but generally they tend to be weak against certain kinds of photonic weapons and properly skilled counter-hacking. Ones I seen had little direct body strength but allot of skill and craftiness for indirect tactics. I met a different guy whom had the center of himself so overtaken that during the full moon and certain night times, entities would manifest physically so much they could cut up objects or claw people's bodies, also. But the main game was always to spread, reproduce, keep the secrecy and extend the control farther and farther.

Shades are not a problem for me anymore, mainly because my race learned that illusion technologies had no effect on properly built advanced robotic sensors. Then once the sensor technology is good enough, the illusions and cloaking aren't a problem so then ya can get to their cores easier and root them out, them having no armor and only hiding as a defense. Later we made our own shades under our own control and they were very useful vs ordinary organics and spirits.

I also estimate that the shades u encountered have behind them many many higher levels that go up and up and up. Through the power of illusions the mind can be controlled, and from there the power of the mind controls the body, which in turn directs the lifeforce which runs the universe, and controls the currents of fate and change. Generally the bulk of the shades usedto be either a part of, or a full body, of someone else. We found dead reptoids inside of some shade's networks before, it's not rare.

Thora wrote:

I heal.

I bet you $1000000 that each time you preform a healing/energy transfer, you probably are sending in spores/implants from the shades, too.

I'm not joking, more than half of the people infected by shades I met/saw, were all healers and "light workers". Many sent "good" energy into people daily. I'm seriously having doubts about your God dude, too, as I seen many 'deity' like entities overtaken by shades before, on the most subtle of levels. Masters of deception indeed; it will be interesting to see, or more likely, not see, what happens eventually from all that healing...

I think I'd take that bet if there were some way to prove it one way or the other....

I don't describe myself as a 'light worker' because of the assumptions that come with the label, but as an energetic healer - in my own experience - nothing attaches to the healing energy as it's sent; nothing but healing energy enters the recipient. Of course, that's my own experience, and it might vary widely between modalities and even practitioners.

Which, to go briefly off-topic, is exactly why I am so adamantly against the practice of 'insta-Reiki', where no training or guidance is provided. Giving someone an attunement so they can connect with high-level healing energy and then just sending them off to learn how to use it on their own is like setting a small child loose in a fully stocked institutional kitchen and expecting a good, nutritious meal to be produced by the end of the day.

Ok, back to the subject at hand: I do agree that healers can actually attract energies that are opposite of what they're using. Properly trained healers know how to deflect that.

A last thought: Some of the dark, shadowy energies I see around my personal space are ones created by my beloved, who is a depressed worrier. She ruminates over things that 'should' or 'should not' have been or crises that may or may not occur, and the longer she spends on any single rumination the more likely she is to develop a little icky entity out of all that thought energy. Dannerz, you've heard me describe these as 'rabid dust bunnies'. Smudging my home simply boots them out the door. Taking the time to neutralize them (adding lavender to the smudge pot is one way of doing this) seems to be a more effective way of releasing the energy that created them. Neutralized, they no longer have an emotional quality - are therefore no longer entities - and the 'loose' energy can be swept away as harmless... because whether it's positive or negative, dark or light, energy in and of itself has no inherent 'good' or 'bad' value.

Ach. It's early. Not sure I explained that very well. I know what I meant! hee


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Thora wrote:

Now, I feel like that I am being followed most times at night (I know that sounds really typical) by something that disappears once I glimpse it. I see whispy entities in my house almost nightly. Honestly, I feel as though my spirit is at stake. I can't explain this. My boyfriend is involved. We are both constantly getting sick even though every blood test, every doctor's trip "seems" to be completely normal. Does this ring or even sound accurate to anybody?

Thora, have you had any more encounters of like kind since the date you started this thread? Also what, if any, of the provided 'countermeasures' have you tried?

Personally I'm fully agreeing with Dolphin's post. If you think sage, incense or whatever is working, then that's great, though those methods are far from the panacea some people make them out to be.


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I agree, Cypher; smudging isn't the only, or even always the best, method for clearing one's space but it's a good example that most folks understand. I think that whatever method one uses, the more mindful the approach, the better... for instance, giving thought to where the energy might go once it's been cleared away, what can be done to prevent it from simply coming back in, having a 'plan B' in case the initial efforts at clearing fail, etc.

I'm also curious regarding how you're doing with all of this, Thora - can you give us an update?



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From time to time, I do consider that I might be mad. Like any self-respecting lunatic, however, I am always quick to dismiss any doubts about my sanity.
- Odd Thomas