Michael Tsarion tied with Rosicrucian--see Bio

teslafire · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:00 am **Posts:** 1787

http://www.taroscopes.com/personalpages/whosismichael.html

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Described as a teacher's teacher, Michael Tsarion is a Divination Scholar and Sidereal Mythologist. An expert on Stellar Astrology, he is the creator of the Archetypal Stellar Taroscopicâ„¢ Astrological system of Hermetic Divination, and founder of the online Taroscopic Mystery School. Michael is a descendant of a long line of philosophers, free-thinkers, ascetics and visionaries. His Himalayan born mother was a well-loved, internationally recognized clairvoyant, whose affiliates included Barbara Marx Hubbard, Sir George Trevelyan, Jerry Jampolsky, Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, Shirley MacLane, Edgar Mitchell and a host of other celebrities and academics. She attended J. Krishnamurtiâ€™s premier college in India and was later honored as the very first clairvoyant to be a regular on Irish Television. The CEO of Britainâ€™s Independent Broadcasting described her readings as â€œdevastatingly accurate.â€

teslafire · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:00 am **Posts:** 1787

I just e-mailed him asking to clear up the confusion...hopefully he'll respond.

teslafire · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:00 am **Posts:** 1787

For those that don't know, The Rosicrucian Order is a subset or subsidiary of the Illuminati.

Michael Tsarion vehemently preaches against the Illums.

teslafire · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:00 am **Posts:** 1787

He responded quite cordially but basically said that it was a private matter and that while he's not a part of anything he looks for knowledge everywhere.

My suspicions aren't subsided, but ultimately I don't care. Its basically a wait and see game with all the guys on the lecture circuit...sometimes it takes a while to identify a plant, if you ever can. COINTELPRO taught us how deep cover these guys can go, the 'British Invasion' per the Tavistock Institute, and the recent article in The New Yorker unveiling Jackson Pollock as a CIA plant taught us that they infiltrate culture.

IlluminatusRex · **Posted:** Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:03 pm

teslafire wrote:

For those that don't know, The Rosicrucian Order is a subset or subsidiary of the Illuminati.

Michael Tsarion vehemently preaches against the Illums.

I've heard this but have never found much connection between them and the more sininster forms of the Illuminati myself. Of the secret societies the Rosicrucians seem the most tepid and knowledge-seeking. I'm not familiar with Tsarion. Has he ever spoken out against the Rosicrucians himself? And do you have any text links to Tsarion speaking on the Illuminati?

teslafire · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:00 am **Posts:** 1787

watch the free webstreams on http://www.taroscopes.com/ wait for the menu to load after the current event notice.

they are excellent presentations and will answer your questions.
Rosicrucians have been associated with thhe Bilderbergers..they had peeps at the Jekyll Island thing (the planning of the Fed).

I have no problem with the good/bad of it. I have a problem with disinformation...the secret societies dole out parts of the story and maybe misinterpretations on purpose to their lesser degrees...

metaserph · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:09 am

Here's an excerpt from a Tsarion interview in which he presents his point of view on the subject:

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Luciferians worship a god called Lucifer, the sun of the morning. Well, the sun of the morning is the sun. That's why we have elites. We even call children in school, the pupils; because it comes from the pupil of the eye of the god of Ra, the god of the sun. We get Gold stars for matriculation, when we do good in school. When you graduate, you get a degree, a Masonic degree. All of this stuff comes from astrology --- the degrees of the zodiac. So, these people have appropriated ancient stellar symbolism, in order to empower themselves, and because they erroneously think in their minds that they are the descendants of the original magi who built the pyramids, created culture, and they literally think of themselves as the descendants of these ancients.

And, of course in may ways they are the descendants of the freemasons and the guilds, and they think they have the right to use these symbols. Now, I would say "Yeah, they do have the right." But, they don't have the right to use those symbols to suppress other human beings. That's my problem [with them]. I don't care how many Masonic orders or how many secret societies exist in the world. They perfectly have the right to exist. It's just that these secret societies are now very much being used, because they have been infiltrated by Satanic forces. These fraternities and secret societies and subversive movements are now manipulating human beings to degrade and enslave. This is not what they were originally meant to do, and which their own grandmasters often lament. You only have to go to their own works and find this whole infiltration being lamented by the original masters of freemasonry and by some of these other secret societies. They knew they were being taken over, but they could not do much about it.

http://www.maybelogic.org/maybequarterl ... erview.htm

And again...

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Did you know, he asked, that the 9/11 attacks were only the latest manifestation of an ancient struggle, originating on the island of Atlantis, between an elite, evil secret society (known as the Illuminati) and the forces of good? And that all through history, these Illuminati have manufactured false crises to consolidate and expand their power?

"Forget everything the national media says--that's useless groupthink," he thundered. He knew the real skinny: "The [American] government has been behind a whole series of terrorist attacks. This has been their policy through the decades." Not just September 11, but so much more....

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=11690

Tricia · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:50 pm

That sums up my opinion Meta. The Illuminati have infiltrated the 'good and the true' societies because they are the perfect way to the peoples mind and hearts.

The freemasons and the Rosicrucians started out with good esoteric knowledge and held it for the people when they became ready. Unfortunately the evil ones got in and turned it's purpose around.

It is our duty to take that knowledge back into our own hands and to use it for the purpose it was intended-the empowerment and liberation of every being into true Godhood!

metaserph · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:21 am

True words indeed Tricia. I'm most encouraged with TeslaFire's "conversion" into a light worker, we can't fail. Now, if you could only "cast a spell" on Carliboy and Fiat and turn them from the darkside, we'd be invincible.

Chi_Disciple · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:46 pm

If you want to do any really good research on secrect soceities, it seems to me you HAVE to investigate the Rosicrucians at least to some extent.

I do believe as well that generally speaking its not the orders themselves that are evil, so much as they become infiltrated. Kind of like the Sith and the Jedi allegory from Star Wars. Tsarion is interesting for sure, and he is without a doubt a practitioner of the hermetic mystical arts, and to learn that sort of thing the Rosicrucians are something you want to study, IMO.

teslafire · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:00 am **Posts:** 1787

Well I always thought he was getting his info from old myths and something akin to gypsy teachings.

I guess I kinda categorized him with Credo Mutwa (I've heard crazy rumors that credo works for MI-6, I haven't checked it out and i don't know if i want to.). I didn't think that he had to have gotten his info from a secret order. Even his divination stuff I would've imagined his family (extended) would have passed the knowledge down to him.

I just trust that kind of info more than lesser degreed western secret society members.

He's got to be friends with someone of a lesser degree, because when they are in the 30's, the people are nasty. Those lower on the pyramid get looser info. Like I said, its not about ethics. Its getting the best info you possibly can.

Its analogous to embedded journalists. None of those people have to be 'evil' to become a non-critical press--its the nature of the relationship.

Chi_Disciple · **Posted:** Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:32 pm

He has studied widely, and much of the mythology he uses is Celtic, and Vedic in his book. I dont think his association means that he is a part of that order, and I didn't find any references to Rosicrucians in any of his work that I can remeber. Essentially from what I understand he regards the orders themselves as basically neutral, and individuals within them are either "light or dark" or however you want to look at it.

The Rosecrucians are quite interesting IMO since they have had so much influence on modern esoteric societies, and are definately worth investigating.

IlluminatusRex · **Posted:** Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:27 am

Thanks Meta.

Strange. I didn't read it all for context but Tsarion seems to be referring to the Bavarian Illuminati when he speaks. Which would be surprising to me given his background info from the bio. He sounds interesting though.

Chi_Disciple · **Posted:** Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:24 am

Krishnamurti:

I can't recall all the details at the moment but from what I understand this person was also associated with Rosecrucians and the people (aside from Crowley) who formed the Order of the Golden Dawn.

If you have checked out his course presentation I'm sure you can see that his main angle is Western Divinaiton traditions. I would'nt call him another Icke, since he is seeking to go a bit further by offering courses. In my opinion it makes him more credible to be offering something of real substance. Icke talks about how we are all one and have so much potential, yet he doesn't seem to actually live it. His latest troubles are proof of that IMO.
Tsarion has been involved with estoeric arts for most of his life, and teaches it as well, or is trying to at least. Icke was a soccer player and a sports announcer, now hes a fat old guy still trying to satisfy his trophy wife.
:laugh:

Of course as a proper conspiraniod you should be suspicious of all sources of information.

Tsarion is an interesting guy, but I'm not about to sign up for his course.

Chi_Disciple · **Posted:** Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:29 am

BTW Hes got a new article here:
http://www.taroscopes.com/highwindowsar ... arius.html

teslafire · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:00 am **Posts:** 1787

I don't think he's the new Icke in terms of philosophy, simply in draw and mass appeal.

Chi_Disciple · **Posted:** Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:33 am

I see what you mean in that respect I suppose. but I never found Icke all that appealling

Carlisleboy · **Posted:** Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:19 am

metaserph wrote:

True words indeed Tricia. I'm most encouraged with TeslaFire's "conversion" into a light worker, we can't fail. Now, if you could only "cast a spell" on Carliboy and Fiat and turn them from the darkside, we'd be invincible.

Well I am Back Now from a WeeKlong Retreat with Gay members Of these "Evil Socities" I have to Say I had A Fabulous Time! No Evil Sacrifices, No Weird Rituals "other Than The Watching Of "the Wizard Of Oz" and Doing the "OH and Midget Drinking Game". Really, A Bunch Of Great, Fun, And CUTE Guys. I can Not Wait till Next time!!

Chi_Disciple · **Posted:** Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:33 am

this thread is now tainted. :-(

ThothMosesIII · **Joined:** Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:00 am **Posts:** 1187

While it can't be substantiated and is probably fabricated on their part, the Rosicrucians claim their true heritage in Egypt with Pharaoh Thoth-Moses III, also known as Ankhenaton. It was Ankhenaton who was responsible for temporarily bringing Egypt under the Monotheistic rule of the Sun Disk of the ATEN. This was at roughly the exact same time period as the supposed Exodus of the Jews out of Egypt under Moses, who also taught the monotheistic viewpoint of there being one God in Yahweh.

Because of this evidence of Thoth-Moses and Moses, both bringing forth the rule of Monotheism, as well as some other evidence, there are many societies and researchers, including the Rosicrucians, who believe that Thoth-Moses/Ankhenaton is actually the same Biblical figure of Moses who led the Exodus out of Egypt.

When Ankhenaton died, it was his son the boy king Tutankhamen who once again re-establish the polytheistic rulership for the whole pantheon of Egyptian gods.

More information on the Order of the Rosy Cross

As far as Tsarion, i personally don't need some former Rosicrucian reading my Tarot for me.... :-?

IlluminatusRex · **Posted:** Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:50 pm

ThothMosesIII wrote:

While it can't be substantiated and is probably fabricated on their part, the Rosicrucians claim their true heritage in Egypt with Pharaoh Thoth-Moses III

Hmmm. "Thoth-Moses"? I've never seen that before. Is that a Rosicrucian spelling of his name? Seems like it.

teslafire · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:00 am **Posts:** 1787

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/moses.html

(2) "First Prophet of the God"

Moses "simply means 'born of'. The name normally required another name prefixed to it, such as Thothmoses (born of Thoth), Rameses (born of Ra) or Amenmosis (born of Amen) Whilst the 'moses' element is spelt slightly differently when rendered in English, they all mean the same thing and it seems very likely to us that either Moses himself or some later scribe dropped the name of an Egyptian god from the front of his name."
The birth narrative of Sargon I, who ruled over Babylon and Sumer hundred of years before Moses states his mother "set me in a basket of rushes; with bitumen she sealed my lid. She cast me into the river, which rose not over me."
"...The birth story is almost certainly a fiction created in the sixth century BC echoing, for the birth of the Jewish nation, the ancient theme of creation emerging from the waters."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

"And Moses became learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds."
- Acts 7:22

"Moses was a skilled performer of magical rituals and was deeply learned in the knowledge of the accompanying spells, incantations, and magical formulas of every description...[Moreover] the miracles which he wrought...suggest that he was not only a priest, but a magician of the highest order and perhaps even a Ker Heb [Egyptian High Priest]."
- Sir E. A. Wallis Budge, From Fetish to God in Ancient Egypt

"At the top of the hierarchy of priests was the high-priest, the sem priest, or 'First Prophet of the God'. He would have been an extrmely learned man, an elder of the temple, a man with considerable administrative ability and political sense. He would have been in charge of seeing that the temple and all its hodings ran smoothly, and officiating at the most important ceremonies. While normally such a man would have risen to his position through the ranks, it was the pharaoh's perogative to place whomever he wanted in that office.
- Bob Brier, Ancient Egyptian Magic

"Moses, a son of the tribe of Levi, educated in Egypt and initiated at Heliopolis, became a High Priest of the Brotherhood under the reign of Pharaoh Amenhotep [Akhnaton]. He was elected by the Hebrews as their chief and he adapted to the ideas of his people the science and philosophy which he had obtained in the Egyptian mysteries; proofs of this are to be found in the symbols, in the Initiations, and in his precepts and commandments....The dogma of an 'only god' which he taught was the Egyptian Brotherhood interpretation and teaching of the Pharaoh who established the first monotheistic religion known to man."
- Egyptian High Priest Manetho (3rd Century BC)

"If Moses was a High Priest of the Brotherhood under Akhnaton, as Manetho states, but did not lead the exodus until the reign of Rameses II, as many historians believe, then Moses must have been an extremely old man at the time of the exodus. (Rameses II did not rule until almost one hundred years after Akhnaton.) The Bible, in Deuteronomy 34:7 states that Moses was 120 years old when he died."
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

ThothMosesIII · **Joined:** Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:00 am **Posts:** 1187

THUTMOSES III:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thutmose_III

IlluminatusRex · **Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:11 pm

ThothMosesIII wrote:

THUTMOSES III:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thutmose_III

Right. Thutmose,Tuthmosis,or Thutmosis. All the pages I found that edit the name to "Thothmoses" were attempting to link Thutmose to the Biblical character of Moses. Apparently the name Thothmoses comes from an occultic(Rosicrucian?) theory of Moses and Hermes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_trismegistus

I thought there was something odd about it.

ThothMosesIII · **Joined:** Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:00 am **Posts:** 1187

Don't forget and leave Mercury out of that kinky, nasty 3 way action... :whip:

Thoth/Hermes/Mercury

:THoTH:

ThothMosesIII · **Joined:** Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:00 am **Posts:** 1187

It's clear to me now.. Michael Tsarion believes himself to be Zarathustra..

http://www.book-of-thoth.com/thebook/in ... References

"Zarathustra" (/tsaratuʃtra/) is the German version of the name of the Persian prophet Zoroaster, the presumed founder of Zoroastrianism.

So Tsarion, is really Zoroastrianism.. Or the Tsar of Orion.. :pray:

Too bad half of his theories are made up, or based on authors who were making things up... He talks about Irish history so much, being the Atlantean foundation for civilization, yet i've never really heard him talk about ACTUAL history, aside from pseudo-history that only he, Jordan Maxwell, and a couple others are promoting..

ThothMosesIII · **Joined:** Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:00 am **Posts:** 1187

This from "The Forum"
http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/vie ... 9&start=45

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I actually listened to Tsarion tonight, his 6/6/06 interview.
he sounded perfectly normal and he even said that he was mmber of rose crux lodge in San Jose.
He also said that Rosicrucian order is completely screwed up now, money and power grab running rampant.

Chi_Disciple · **Posted:** Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:10 am

Hah!
Maybe he is really just a convert recruiting campaign for the order?

teslafire · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:00 am **Posts:** 1787

I must give credit to a certain staunch, yet inspired Christian for having the cajones to point this out months ago amidst the shiny new fascination with Mickey T's particular brand of brainwashing.

Chi_Disciple · **Posted:** Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:38 am

baron is still a c*nt, don't be mistaken. :lol:

I find his current location of Seattle to be highly amusing. There was this pen and paper RPG called Shadow Run
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowrun
Which was based on the 2011 awakening theory and developed quite the little cult following. The guys who created it made 3 different games, one still lives on in the Mechwarrior video game. (side issue

)

Anyways these guys had "the return of magick" and fairie races and all that sh*t, but if you read through the time line it also included many other things which are likely instore for us, one of them being a virus which reduces population signifigantly.

Anyways the system of course included magician and shaman characters, and they bases these on real world systems. They were quite detailed, and Seattle featured heavily in the basic setting, I imagine because that is where they are from. The level of reality that was in this game was such that i was basically laughing my ass off when i started reading "the real sh*t" and found it was exactly as described in a flubb role playing game.
:rofl:

Anyways many aspects of this game are indeed becoming reality, like open corporate rule ect so I am very curious to know who the creators really are, because they made this game in the 80s. The game was set to be played in 2050, a futurist/magickal dystopia you could say. I have been trying to find information about these people but I have not been able to so far. As I recall they even had the Freemasons listed as an exclusive hermetic order in one of their books.

In their storyline, Seattle was kind of an epicenter for "magical activity" so it is funny to me that Tsarion would be operating from that city, if just because it makes me wonder all the more about the people who created that game.

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