This could also be extended into the further world of Venom, not just attributed to snakes and reptiles. Do you believe that venom might have medicinal benefits for some ailments/diseases, in small doses, or does it ultimately do more harm than good to the individual?
Might the ancients have been 'addicted' to this 'drug', much like we hear from the tales of 'White Powder Gold', or even Amanita Muscaria? Were they able to 'heal' with the serpent on a wide scale, and might this be ONE of the reasons that the serpent is such a heavily used icon for wisdom?
But of course, the serpent has multiple associations, not just the potential healing properties of venom. It is an interesting and relevant subject though. What do we see with the Judas Snake from the Black Hole of humanities origins?
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Hello I wonder if that has anything to do with the book I read The Serpent Grail by P.Gardiner It talks on the 'Snake Venom' that is something on these lines? Something that says that they used 'Snake Venom' as a health enhancer to the individual. I wonder in the ancient past that maybe of those who have been documented with incredible long life spans!!
used this pocess to live long lives
Bestwishes
AlphaQ
ThothMosesIII
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 8:41 am
Prodigy
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Yes Alpha, this subject and more, is covered in both 'The Serpent Grail' as well as 'Proof-Does God Exist?'. That's part of the reason why i raised this thread. And the further consideration of venom being used for both a healing property, as well as a psychoactive property, when mixed with other 'illuminating' ingredients.
http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-7318.html
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ThothMosesIII wrote:
Yes Alpha, this subject and more, is covered in both 'The Serpent Grail' as well as 'Proof-Does God Exist?'. That's part of the reason why i raised this thread. And the further consideration of venom being used for both a healing property, as well as a psychoactive property, when mixed with other 'illuminating' ingredients. http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-7318.html
Hello ThothMoses Thank you for the posting the web sites were very interesting they do give one food to ponder over?
The fish and the guys and the Twilight Zone that was cool to know of certain fish with certain properties
Reptilains? That is a good question? From what I know when folk take something that broadens there preception with mind altering stuff, Some reports of them seening certain folk that blend in with the masses taking on a strange appearances such as folk seeing Reptiles. Back home in the UK, there was places that folk would go to pick what are termed Magick Mushrooms at only certain times of the year around September I think.
I wonder to day why they are so intent on stopping the flow of mind altering chemicals maybe those that be are afraid of the fact that in a mind altering state they see certain folk as they true self. Maybe they are afraid of folk waking up!!
White Powder Gold? You mean Monotonic Gold? I have studied some of the literature on the subject? Seems that it is becoming a big thing? Food of the Gods Indeed! I wonder this maybe the case that the price of gold has shot up a great deal in recent days. It is told that certain individuals have very big interests in gold. The story of White Powder Gold very interesting to take note of. The Reptile Speices is certainly an interesting one ThothMoses
Much to be said of the Snake!!
Bestwishes
AlphaQ
berg
Post subject: bees
Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 4:59 pm
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I know there are some modern programs which will set you up with a series of bee stings, just like shots, to help your defenses. I don't know the details. But just thought I would mention it .
Seawitch
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 5:24 pm
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MM All
There's nothing new about snake venom in medicine, it's long been there, just that like Aspirin, they are finding new uses for it.
The snake is often used in Medical Symbolism. Here it's around a caduceus on the badge of the British Armies Royal Army Medical Corps, in which my brother in Law served many years.
There's lots on that here
Asclepius
I'm not saying i believe in the 'White Powder Gold' theories, turning the ancients into 'Shining' beings of light with prolonged usage or granting them literal immortality of the physical form. But there is definitely something to the symbolism behind the concept.
The serpent cult is far reaching and widespread, seen on a number of political, government and military logos. Not to mention corporations and businesses.
I can't help but to make the progression of the serpent, in representing the aligned chakra and 'Third Eye', as also representing the male phallus. And the venom actually being the semen of the 'serpent', coming out of the mouth and head, similtaniously poisoning and healing the world.
Likewise, it's important to not take the serpent aspect so literally, and hopefully, understand it and move beyond the continual 'honoring' of the serpent symbolism as representing the height of mankinds wisdom.
It seems that we're on level THREE or FOUR of a TEN level system of knowledge that is intwined with the ultimate intellectual/spiritual evolution of humanity. Even the ancients didn't really excell past the 3rd or 4th level. Maybe the 5th, but there is still a long way to go in our greater understanding and conclusions..
Even if our great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great (man, they sure think they are great!) ect, ect, ect ancestors did build pyramids and establish 'culture'. Even the most advanced observations and calcuations by humanity are still rather primitive in their way.
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MM Thothmoses
It's not so long since I saw a documentary on how they are seeking new antibiotics from Crocodile saliva, they eat things that would kill us ...the dogs lick is healing because of the same thing, natural antibiotics.
BB
Seawitch
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Personally I would rather see these substances genetically engineered so as not to hurt the animal. I have been talking to a scientists in Beijing who is working on this with the venom.
Phil
AlphaQ
Post subject: Snake Venom and Uses
Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:31 am
Pyramid Level II
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Hello
The only reason for mentioning White Gold, is that it has something that has the ability to enhance those who partake for a long life or life extention it was the idea from the books by Laurence Gardner some time ago, The idea popped up!! I was not asking you to believe if that was so then I'm sorry That was not the idea
Yes The this sort of stuff may have been around for a long time Serpent is so far reaching I wonder just how far is the question? It seems that the symbol is everywhere just cannot miss it. Yes there is much to learn and I think that humanity are still a long way from the answers.
Hello Philip Gardiner That is very interesting but my feelings with genetics are two fold. It is fine if the technology is used in a none harmful way, but I fear the swinging door, where what you put into maybe not what you look for to come back out.
Snake Venom I shall be looking at more of the subject there is more to be unfold. The Chinese working on the stuff I wonder where that will led to?
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There is in fact an Islamic traditional tale that speaks of Muhammed being ill and no cure could be found and so he permitted the use of snake venom. From that tale came a concept that his shrine was placed upon a pagan serpent worshipping shrine and that somehow he was showing Islam's link backwards to this worldwide cult.
AlphaQ
Post subject: Re: Islamic Tradition
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:31 am
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PhilipGardiner wrote:
There is in fact an Islamic traditional tale that speaks of Muhammed being ill and no cure could be found and so he permitted the use of snake venom. From that tale came a concept that his shrine was placed upon a pagan serpent worshipping shrine and that somehow he was showing Islam's link backwards to this worldwide cult.
Thank you Sir That is something new to me anyway Serpents. This is one subject that you seem to find everywhere,on Logos,TV-adds-Esoteric Subjects the Military and even the Cereal Boxes for happy little kids come to think of. Seems that there is no end to this Serpent Cult and all leading from one source??
The truth is out there for those to see and today there seems to be a push to bring more of the Serpent Cult to the surface more than ever maybe for a reason?
Best wishes AlphaQ
ThothMosesIII
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:56 am
Prodigy
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There is in fact an Islamic traditional tale that speaks of Muhammed being ill and no cure could be found and so he permitted the use of snake venom. From that tale came a concept that his shrine was placed upon a pagan serpent worshipping shrine and that somehow he was showing Islam's link backwards to this worldwide cult.
It is interesting Phil, that Christianity is really the only religion that has personified the serpent to a primarily negative association. Except for more "Gnostic" traditions, we are left with the Christian amalgamation of the Serpent being connected with the Devil, Lucifer, the Morning Star, and other devious relations of evil. Of course, there is the phrase "Be Ye Wise as Serpents", the Serpent Staff of Moses, and how the 'Son of Man' will be risen up like the Brazen Serpent in the wilderness...
Our prime example of the Serpent is in the Garden who tempted Adam and Eve with the knowledge of good and evil.. For this the serpent was, supposedly, forever cursed to crawl upon the soil and eat from the dust of the earth.
Of course we have the Hindu reverence of the serpent. The Kundalini (Fire Serpent), and the 'Third Eye' being awoken from the clear path of this karmic energy at the base of the spine (core of the world itself), with a clear path into the higher consciousness of man, and beyond into previously incomprehensible universal realms. The Indian serpent- the Nagas, are feared, but respected, and definitely have a prominent part to play in the myth cycles.
Or the Mexican Indians, who also had terrible serpent gods known for human sacrifice and blood drinking. These wise gods, while horrific by our modern day tastes, were not seen as wholly evil in the South American lore, but as fufilling a purpose in the cycles of 'heaven' and earth. To them, the cruelty was necessary in the broader scheme of native society. (For this was the way it was set up, by domination and power, wonder and awe..)
The animal of the snake can be blamed for nothing, for it is a rather innocent creature in it's way. Whatever the conclusions end up being, the icon of the serpent must be fully explored, both in negative and positive connotations, if we're going to better understand the spiritual and religious purpose of this important icon..
It ties in with so much, Draconia, Dragons, and even Dracula and vampire myths. The Naga, Reptilian Gods, Serpent Priests, Phallic worship, Fertility worship, Sexuality, the Anunnaki, Elohim/Nefilim.
I'm rambling a bit, but agree that this is a vastly important area of research.. As it is so closely tied with our human origins, exploring the depths of our spiritual and physical knowledge...
The rainbow serpent, a mythical creature widespread throughout the continent of Australia, is said to live in water.
A closer look at it reveals that these great serpent-like creatures, usually associated with the rainbow, seem to bear the closest resemblance to the Chinese mythical dragon.
The rainbow serpent is commonly depicted in its terrifying animal form, with a serpent-like body, kangaroo or horse-like head, crocodile teeth, ears or crown of feathers, long, spiked body and fish tail.
Similarly, the form of the Chinese dragon is also a compound of species: the body of a serpent with the scales of a fish, the claws of an eagle, and the horns of a deer.
There are also much deeper connotations of the two figures which suggest the links between myths in Australia and China.
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Maybe they are afraid of folk waking up!!
Even the most advanced observations and calcuations by humanity are still rather primitive in their way.
That was not the idea 
