The Book Of THoTH

Hi, not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere, if you need to move this go ahead.

I haven't seen this discussed on line but I'm very curious if others have had this experience, or just to hear your thoughts on this.

A few times, when discussing UFOs -- and specifically, entities or aliens -- I've had the distinct awareness that "they" were listening in. "They" were invisible, and yet I was acutely aware of their presence. I was also aware of where they were in the room -- every time, they were off to the side, and "up." As if they were hovering, or sitting, or hanging out, in the upper corner of the room.

I also "knew" that "they" were highly intelligent, and also, that they were not human. They were human like, in many ways, but not human. (Nor were they ghosts or ghost like in any way. Nothing like the impressions I've had in haunted places.)

They were also very, very intelligent. More than us. And a bit scary; not harmful, not with evil intent, but wouldn't hesitate to do something negative if they felt like it. I also felt that, while they were very interested, they were laughing at us a bit.

Along with all of this was a strong "electrical" feeling, (and not disimilar to what I feel around hauntings, precognitive episodes, etc.)

If you're still with me on this, there's more.

The first time this happened, I thought that my imagination was working over time. But then someone in the group looked over at me, and gave me the weirdest grin! I thought, "what is she looking at?!" LOL, and a bit later she just says to me "You've noticed them too, haven't you?"

I almost fell off the chair.

Another time, another place, and I'm feeling it again. I don't say anything. Finally my husband says "They're here." I look at him, and he says how he can sense them here, etc.

And then another time: at our house, a group of us, sitting around talking about UFOs, and I get that feeling again. I don't say anything, suddenly my friend "Lola" says to me "I'm getting the weirdest feeling, like someon's listening in on all of this."

("Lola" by the way, is very psychic, and has had all kinds of weird experiences, though she's never seen a UFO.)

Any thoughts or sharing of your own experiences along these lines is appreciated.

hmmm... sounds like the Re'tal to me.That or some faction\race\you choose of energy or invisibility capable beings.The e'tal are a race of humanoid,intelligent, beings with an almost skeletal body structure(on the outside)their usualy reported in fraance or countries adjacent to it.They, most of the time, seem to be observers...

What a wonderful thread reganlee. I couldn't say as my experiences have been different, but, the feeling of being watched, being touched and hearing my full first name have happened a few times.

I think the world is much more then anyone thought or could remember. All I can say is thank the universe for the internet to allow us to talk.

I hope there's lots more to this thread. If nothing more it's a teaching tool for things to look out for. Hearing what others have been through. I'm sure there's many that have there stories.

Thank you.

I've had the same experience too reganlee....when I used to view the alien threads I could feel a group of them get excited and watch over my shoulder!! I used to say 'Will you folks get back you're fasing me!'


Then I read a channelling about our 'light bodies'..and how we can feel a strong magnetic presence come close up..it said to let the light body enter you and you wouldn't get the feeling again...but you can become more tuned in to their thoughts and channels they send to you personally after the light body enters...this is true for me..I know now that they are my Pleiadian spirit group, and now my light body is in place I can feel their nudges and thoughts etc....

Also present are spirit guides and angels...I also know there may be a group of unknown aliens that entered the house one midnight time...my son and I heard the weird noises!..I sometimes sense them watching me...I think they are viewing my handling of my ascension process...I hope they are taking notes because I give 'em hell sometimes...

Oftentimes I am sensing beings around me or around other people. What I very seldom "know" is why they are here. But it seems they don't care if I can sense them. I never can see them with my eyes.
Wherever I go and when I'm a bit relaxed then I sense them.

I think most of the times they are spirits from the betweenworld or from the "other side". They never disturb me.

Sometimes it's like they are visiting "alife" people just to see how they are doing and to give some hints for them.

Sometimes I am convinced that also extraterrestrials are watching around. Just observing or helping, I don't know.

All of them are positive beings.

Only once lying in bed accompanied by a former girl friend we saw a woman "flying" before our faces and disappearing immediately. This visitor was as surprised as we were! Both of us had our eyes closed.

I can feel someone/something in the room when I'm reading about alien/ufo info about half the time. It does get to me sometimes when I feel them. I let out warnings that I will snap on them. Tellin them I don't care if your here for positive or negative actions, that I will initiate contact if and when I feel ready. I'm not ready.

I think I'm crazy half the time but I swear I can feel something in the room. I'm willing to bet on it.

I can't help but wonder maybe its a guardian of some sort angel/spirit. But still I don't really care at this moment in time.

I just don't trust it. LoL, Trust No One. Trust someone to be thereselfs, a being with that much power I trust it to be a powerful being capable of doin what it wants to anyone.

I have sometimes sensed a presence near me, but I couldn't say that it was an alien, at least not in the terms that most people think of aliens as beings from another planet.
There have been many times where I feel there is something in the sky. I look expecting to see something and see nothing, but yet I feel something or someone is watching me from up there.

I think what you're describing is fairly common amongst abductees. In fact I met a man last night who is by all accounts an honest individual. He told a story of seeing a glowing man who just faded out of existence very slowly, right before his eyes.

A great book dealing with the subject of invisibility in aliens & UFOs is "Sight Unseen" by Budd Hopkins & Carol Rainey. You may want to check it out.

All very interesting posts, thanks for responding everyone. I appreciate the comments; it's good to hear others have had similar experiences. I'll write more later; I just got back from McMinnville, here in Oregon, for the 8th annual UFO festival.

But Jeremy, you said something about this being common for abductees.

Last night, David Jacobs, one of the speakers at the UFO Fest, (who was very entertaining) said that when someone has a close encounter -- a UFO that comes close (as I've experienced) it's not random.

And, a couple of times, I "knew" I was going to see a UFO before I saw it.

He said that's not random either.

(Hmm.. , lol. I'm still not going to say I've been abducted though.)

Regan:

You're an abductee. Don't make me slap you with the anal probe.

I like that you stick to your guns, though. You're the Scully to my Mulder. Ooooh we should make that our thing for UFO Magazine! We could do a he said/she said skeptic/believer column, whatta ya think?

Jeremy, the irony is killing me! Everyone knows I ain't no stinkin' skeptic!

Good idea though; we could get together and do a piece on abductions...

You're Scully in the sense that even though you've seen enough to believe in something alien-ish you still won't define what that something is.

I can't define it because I don't know what it is!

I don't know it's alien. As in, from outer space. Could be inner space, psy ops, ghosts, entities that aren't ET, -- I don't know for a fact.

I suspect much of it is ET. But I don't know.

Do you want to know?

I just spoke with an abductee who was regressed by Hopkins. He was floated into a ship but refused to go any further in the hypnosis session because it was so terrifying just getting to that point. He doesn't want to know.

I'm not sure. I don't think so, not at this point.

I prefer doing things the hard way, lol.

Fixed quote, Zet

Regan --

I for one don't think you're doing it the hard way at all. To believe that regression is going to give you "the real answer" is not an assumption anyone can make.

In fact, I remember Jeremy writing about his regression experience in his book, and noting that the whole thing felt a bit "forced," and "lead" (C'mon, Jeremy, I'm right, aren't I?) I haven't studied Hopkins, but the little I've read and seen tells me that I wouldn't be comfortable with him doing or participating in a regression on me, because I feel certain I'd be dealing with confabulated memories afterwards. (I have enough problems in my life already, thank you very much.)

Don't have a lot of confidence in Jacobs either, honestly.

Using such a simple label on a phenomenon that is clearly so mindbendingly complex doesn't do justice to any effort in understanding it.

The answer I will suggest sounds a little like Strieber -- and Jeremy, too, actually -- that the real answer to this is to use these experiences as catalysts for spiritual growth. Then, if there are experiences in the unconscious mind, these will eventually surface and be integrated in a way that the individual can deal with them emotionally and make proper sense of them.

(That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)

(And by the way ... the "Point-Counterpoint" article sounds like fun. You two should do it.)

Just an FYI everyone: I wrote about this thread a bit on my blog; take a look if you're so inclined.

Yeah! What he said! (Hi Daniel

Seriously, we all do have to deal with this in our way, and in keeping with who we are. That sounds all gooey New Agey but so what? I have my gooey New Agey warm and fuzzy side, and I ain't ashamed of it!

Please forgive me being redundant...and lord knows I am not preaching, but why are the bits we see outside ourselves not possibly ourselves? There is no way on this earth I can say for sure regan is an abuductee and what would it mean if you were?

What is interesting regan, is that you are searching and I believe honestly so. So carry on and enjoy. This place is fascinating, as are we all and I admire your spunk. lol

Daniel! You live!

I didn't mean to suggest that hypnosis was the key to knowing the truth. I was just asking if she could know, would she want to (and used Frank as an example of someone who didn't want to know. He felt the memories retrieved were real enough and didn't want to go further, which I hear is common.)

Using me as an example of hypnosis feeling "forced" is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, my session illustrates that at no point during my recollected regression was I out of control and in the hands of a stranger who could suggest me into situations that felt real but were just me making stuff up to please her. To take that piece of it is to actually do away with the skeptics' argument that we're being led by hypnotists, because we can't be. Hypnosis doesn't make you fully unconscious and out of control....

And the other edge...

Or does it? -- because that's what I remember. But I also remember it feeling like I wasn't under for long but I was actually there for hours. At the end she offered me free therapy. I never asked her why, I just declined because what I remembered saying felt inauthentic.

So is there a level of deep hypnosis she brought me to, recovered some traumatic memories that were so bad I was told not to remember and not to ask? This is the only thing that makes sense to me but I don't know for sure and I lost touch with her years ago. So I may never find out. If this didn't happen then answer #1 stands and the skeptics are wrong about the power of hypnosis.

But as for Hopkins, I'm not sure he asks leading questions unless he's trying to get the subject to fabricate--as a means of testing their fantasy proneness. Ditto that, Jacobs. But I do know that Hopkins was featured on a Nova special regressing Frank Soriano, from my earlier example, when he was under a pseudonym. (He's no longer hiding so I can use his name.) By all accounts--Hopkins, Frank, Carol Rainey, Jacobs--they badly butchered that regression session and exploited Hopkins. In fact, Rainey is making a documentary on Soriano's case and will be showing the full regression session at the Culture of Contact festival I'm organizing this June. So all of this ended up being a long add for the festival. Thanks!

Wait. No.

I'm just sayin'--well, I should ask more than say: Is your opinion of Hopkins/hypnosis based on that special (or other TV specials) or based on what you've read in his books? If it's books then perhaps what I just wrote falls apart at the seams.

Mr. Vaeni --

Yes, I do live. If you catch my last posting, you'll see I've decided to write about the subject again.

Thoughtful responses, as usual. You are correct, I'm basing most of my impression of Hopkins on television exposure. Jacobs, on the other hand, I have read, I do feel (in my opinion, and the input of an abductee I know here in the Vegas area that has worked with both of them) he has a bias in all this and would tend to see his research through that bias.

I had what was an interesting notion come to me -- what if the suppressed memories of the experiences don't come to the surface (at least in some cases) because they are so blissful we can't handle it? That finding true peace and meaning terrifies us? This seems like a possibility.

If you buy all the business about intention/manifestation, then we are participating in the creation of these experiences. I think you and I are on the same page there.

I believe these are the questions we need to be asking, not if the aliens come from the Zeta Reticuli, if the Eisenhower Briefing Document is a hoax, or if we can believe anything Richard Doty says.

Ah. I see what you mean now, Daniel. Yes, you and your friend are quite correct that both men have a bias toward "These are at best indifferent/at worst, malevolent aliens abducting and manipulating people." Although certainly Jacobs seems certain that it's malevolent. I mean "The Threat" isn't called that for nuttin'.

Oddly enough I had my own revelation happen to me today on why abductees seem to block out the experience. If I'm correct, it answers once and for all whether this is a Trickster force, actual aliens, a product of too much DMT in the brain--all of it. It even answers why abductees tend to come up as "fantasy prone" in psychological studies. I may have figured it out but I'm not gonna say what it is just yet. It's so simple you're gonna scream. I need a week or two to flesh it all out and commit it to paper. But I swear this is an AHA! Oprah moment.

It came to me while I was pondering why this familiar disembodied female voice I associate with abductions interrupted a dream to say:

"I understand hither/thither
And in that understanding
Shall neither be swept away
Nor carried on the seas of time"

Why would she relate information that way? How can she interrupt or infiltrate a dream? How is that possibly real and not all in my head? Why don't the just say what they mean? Why can't most of us remember abductions on our own?

Maybe you can figure it out from that. Brownie points if you do. I'm gonna let it hang there like a jerk for a while but I promise I'll come out with it in a week or two.

Who knows: I may even make Dr. Wu proud!

But hey--you mentioned that you've taken up writing about this stuff again. Why did you stop?

Jeremy --

I did put it out in front of God and everybody ... I wrote about the reason I stopped here:
http://www.danielbrenton.com/2007/02/02/there-is-more-to-life-than-ufos-honest/

And why I started back up here:
http://www.danielbrenton.com/2007/05/20/to-ufo-or-not-to-ufo/

The "Cliffs Notes" version is that the subject is rife with gullibility, ego, and silliness, but (on the other edge) it's too damned compelling to stay away.

For more on gullibility, ego, and silliness, please see what I wrote above.

Hmmmm...you know I hear this all the time, about how ufology is filled with giant egos. So far I've only met sane and crazy people. Gullibility? Check. Silliness? Double check.

I've yet to come up against arrogance, though. Maybe thus far some of the arrogant people like me and so I don't feel it yet but I dunno. There is one man who shall remain nameless who, when speaking with him on the phone, I thought he was a carney. I thought he was the devil-as-used-car-salesman. But when I met him in person he was nothing like that. So I don't know if I mistook his straightforward approach for slimey ego or what, but it made all the difference in the world finally meeting him (because I have to deal with him in day-to-day business.)

Anyway, glad you're back. As you know I'm a fan of your work.

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Okay I just read both blogs. Well-expressed as always. I've got to tell you, there's one huge myth about ufology, which is that it's a big money-maker. You'd think that the millions of people interested in the subject translates into big bucks but for some reason it does not. Not just with my work, but with everyone I've spoken to about this--including some famous names.

It may be that mass interest happens in waves and we're in a drought as some have said. But I think the days of going on TV and saying "I worked with aliens at Area 51" or "I'm an abductee" and then selling a book are gone. Too much nothing has come from that testimony to keep the purchasing public interested. The internet is free. Why pay? At this point it would have to be the testimony of a public figure for it to be that sensational.

That being the case, I can see how and why this would turn into a circus. Unless you're Stanton Friedman, Budd Hopkins, Whitley Strieber--a real name brand like that--you're not likely to sell thousands (or millions) of copies of your book. Having written a book thinking that's going to be your bread and butter, and seeing that fail miserably, it's got to be tempting to make stuff up or somehow sensationalize what you're doing to move the product, put food on the table, get famous, or whatever the motive is.

And when THAT doesn't do it, what's left? Kill yourself? Work at WalMart? No. You develop a giant ego to protect yourself from how much you hate yourself because you're a complete failure...in your head.

I think something like that is one mechanism going on.

Another is that this is a field of few answers and so when you have what you think is an answer, you protect it at all costs, even in the face of logic. Certainty in the face of contrary facts = giant ego. But then who among us doesn't hold dear some notion that is blatantly false? We're all guilty as charged on that one, not just ufologists.

I'm looking forward to hearing your theory, and I am already proud of you.
I just reread The 8th Tower by John Keel, a book that I highly recommend to anyone interested in the ufo/contact enigma.
As Keel says, are we dealing with beings from the Superspectrum?
Have 'they' always been with us? Are we intimately connected to them in sme fundamental way that involves human consciousness?
Are they from outer space or...'inner space'?

Dr. --

My feelings on your last two questions are yes and yes.

I think you've probably seen my clearest writing so far in this area when I mentioned it here before:

http://www.danielbrenton.com/2007/01/14/zen-and-the-art-of-personal-ufology/

I do think highly of the work of Dr. Kenneth Ring, and happily there's this excellent article that sums up a number of key points:

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/articles011.html

I don't know who the heir apparent to this line of thinking is, but I'll probably be searching for it soon.

Daniel,
I enjoyed your article and I think I might have read it before. I agree with your approach concerning the nature of this enigma.
I have read Ring before but I did print out his piece to have at home.
A similar approach is used by Hancock in his new book 'Supernatural'. I also think Greg Little, 'Grand Illusions', come at this from a similar angle as does Patrick Harpur in 'Daimonic Reality'. IMO there are far too many aspects to this that mirror or involve human consciousness for these to be 'aliens from space events', though I don't dismiss the possibility that some ufos are indeed space travelers now or in our past.