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-MAD: To open up a mandatory can of worms, the next question is rather simple though has far reaching implications. What are some of your thoughts on the structure of political Zionism and how this plays into the creation of globalization and a one world government? Do you think, for instance, that Zionism played a prominent role, either directly or indirectly, in the formation of the NAZI Party, and the heinous events of WWII?
-Paul: Probably the best way to start off such a discussion is with a disclaimer. Nothing I say here should be taken as a broad, general, sweeping condemnation of the Jewish people. The purpose of sharing this information is to simply point out that the Power Elite and secret societies that act as oligarchical conduits have always sought to insert themselves into legitimate religious sects. The end result has been communist, fascist, and other subversive constructs entrenched in all or most religious movements. Hence, the duality we find in almost all religions. There is a dark side to almost all major religions. That dark side is almost always the result of some subversive influence. So, what the student of elite criminality, elite deviance, parapolitics, and deep politics has to do is learn to follow key power players from certain ethnic backgrounds without making blanket accusations.
The Israeli-Russian mafia is a prime example of what I am trying to say. This group is heavily involved in the diamond monopoly which, in turn, is involved in international terrorism. So, you cannot avoid examining the Israeli-Russian mafia if you are ever going to understand both the diamond monoploy and terrorism. The key is to not, in the process, label everyone named Sheingross or Goldstein a card-carrying member of organized crime rackets. That would be not only counter-productive, but extremely stupid.
With the dark side of Zionism, I always look to the influence of the Frankist movement, which may have been a front for Illuminists that were predominantly gentiles. The Frankist were, in fact, very irreligious, self-loathing Jews who believed that one achieves purity through carnal excesses and sin. Thus, we find Frankists practicing sex orgies and entertaining the idea of destroying both traditional Christianity and traditional Judaism. In other words, the traditionalist path was to be replaced with moral anarchy that would lead to social anarchy. Such ideas are foreign to orthodox Jews. As a matter of fact, orthodox Jewish rabbis referred to the Frankist leaders in Berlin as being comparable to the "whore of Samson." But while such ideas were foreign to orthodox Jews, they were not strange or alien to the predominantly Gentile Illuminist movement. In his writings, Illuminist founder Adam Weishaupt called for the abolition of all ordered forms of religion. We did an interview over the subject of the Frankist on ‘Sphinx Radio’, which readers can listen to at the following URL:
http://www.sphinxradio.com/collinsfrank.mp3
Frank made outrageous messianic claims that gained him a lot of negative attention. He was eventually convicted of heresy and imprisoned. Unfortunately, this only came after the Frankists had triggered an anti-Jewish reaction through their nefarious activities. This anti-Jewish reaction allowed the elite to conduct what is known in satanic and occult circles as a "Blood Libel." A "Blood Libel" is essentially when elites practicing occultism and satanism blame their activities on a despised minority.
For instance, many anti-Semitic researchers claim that the ‘Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion’ were written over a course of three days at a Zionist conference. The argument falls apart under scrutiny. There were 197 Jewish delegates to the Zionist conference in question. You could find among this group both orthodox and liberal thinkers. You could even find anarchists. The idea that you could get 197 diverse individuals to agree upon and put to paper a central agenda in three days time strains credulity. The time span becomes even more problematic when you consider how elaborate the
Protocols are. A lot of thought was put into this document. The arranging, organizing, and planning of something so detailed would take longer than three days.
Another problem is the presence of a lot of Masonic terms in what is supposed to be a Jewish document. The document is signed by "representatives of Sion of the 33rd degree." Judaism has no 33rd degree. It has no degrees at all. It is not a religion that practices degrees of initiation. Freemasonry, however, does practice degrees of initiation and has a 33rd degree.
It is also interesting that the Chicago Daily News edition of June 23, 1920 reported that Czar Nicholas the 2nd's wife, Alexandra, wrote on April 7, 1918: "Nicholas read to us the protocols of the freemason." So what we see developing here is a picture of secret societies and subversive movements scapegoating the Jewish people. And recall that the secret societies themselves are largely elite conduits.
-Phillip: I am really careful when approaching the topic of Zionism. While it is definitely a flawed political movement, it is by no means any sort of enclave of monolithic thought. There are many anti-Jewish racists who cite Zionism as evidence for some sort of "Jewish conspiracy." The truth is that, although fraught by the corruption endemic to just about all political movements, Zionism is neither an unerring or monolithic conspiracy. There are several strains of thought that populate Zionism, all of which I believe are problematic. Critiques of Zionism are certainly justifiable, especially in light of the racial disparities between Jews and Palestinians stemming from Israel's implementation of Zionist policies. However, this does not constitute some malevolent "Jewish conspiracy."
As for Judaism, I believe it is important for us as Christians to recognize the shadows and types in the Torah. The Old Testament is replete with portraits of the coming Messiah. Discerning this thematic thread really allows us to see the divine inspiration in the writing of the Scriptures.
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-MAD: Likewise, how do you feel The Vatican is connected to this whole orchestration of events? Some of the most prolific and prominent scientific minds of the past four centuries have come out of the Jesuit Order (Society of Jesus), and we’d be apt to raise a
suspicious eyebrow at any group which claims three billion devout followers.
-Paul: The Illuminati was responsible for systematizing the means and methods that constitute deep politics. So, deep political practices were indirectly influenced by the Jesuits, a contention reinforced by the fact that Illuminist founder Adam Weishaupt heavily borrowed from the Jesuits. That being said, there is a lot of nonsense making rounds through the internet rumor mills out there claiming that the Illuminati was controlled from the Vatican. This junk gets taxing on me and I really have no patience for it because it is a demonstration of very bad research. I say that as a non-Catholic who still believes that the Vatican has more than its share of corruption.
The current king of this myth is Eric Jon Phelps. Phelps' contentions are merely a rehash of the theories of Alberto Rivera, a man who claimed to be a former Jesuit. Rivera had been involved in a number of criminal activities including writing bad checks, fraud, and credit card theft. He claimed to be collecting money for a Spanish college, but the college never received any of the money he was collecting. At one point, he said he left the Catholic Church in 1952. But, then he changed his tune and said he left in 1967. He claimed to have received three doctorates, but his own chronology does not allow for the time required to earn any of those. He later admitted to having received those doctorates from a diploma mill in Colorado. He said he had children with his wife at a time when his own chronology holds he was a celibate monk. Rivera was a con-artist and he acts as the foundation of Phelp's ideas.
Truth be told, Adam Weishaupt drew a lot from the Jesuits because he was trained by them and admired their system of hierarchical observation. But, he hated the Jesuits and wanted to destroy them with their own methods.
-Phillip: The ideational continuum that runs from the Jesuits to Weishaupt's infamous Illuminati is most paradoxical. As Michel Foucault observed in ‘Discipline and Punish’, the Jesuits employed an early form of panopticism in their model colleges. Weishaupt's tutelage by Jesuits exposed him to panopticism, and allowed him to develop his own system of hierarchical observation known as
Seelenspionage. This system was slightly more complex than the Jesuit system. The Jesuits relied heavily upon spatial and chronemic regulation for the efficient maintenance of power among adherents.
Weishaupt's system sought to move beyond the mere arrangement of spatial unities and rigid timetabling. Weishaupt employed a system of semiotic manipulation.
Seelenspionage involved the close examination of observable behavior in order to gain "access to the subject's soul." However, Weishaupt's system of panopticism was premised upon physicalistic assumptions, which are fraught by a ridiculously oversimplified schematicism. Such a paint-by-numbers approach is reminiscent of Delsartes' method of acting, which contended that truly great performers could mimic all the proper gestures to communicate the emotional state of their characters.
What is paradoxical about the ideational continuum binding the Jesuits with the Illuminati is Weishaupt's heritage as an Enlightenment thinker. The Enlightenment harbored an overwhelming disdain for the Jesuits and considered them to be the "shock troops" of the Vatican.
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