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Post subject: CHRISTIAN MESSAGES IN OLD IRISH SCRIPT Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:16 pm |
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CHRISTIAN MESSAGES IN OLD IRISH SCRIPT DECIPHERED FROM ROCK CARVINGS IN W. VA.
In the following article, America's leading expert on ancient languages details his decipherments of two southern West Virginia petroglyphs, one in Wyoming County, the other in Boone County. Because of the innovative and controversial nature of this material, we have chosen to publish Barry Fell's step-by-step description of his decipherment process, in full, for credibility and so that readers may understand how these translations were made.
The decipherment process is complex and technical in nature, therefore, it is impossible to present it in on easy-to-read style. Readers willing to expend the time and mental energy required to study the material will be astounded and intrigued, as the author takes them through the systematic process which led to his startling translations of mysterious writings etched centuries ago by an unknown person on West Virginia s ancient rock cliffs.
Additional archaeological evidence in the same vein as that presented here has been discovered recently in West Virginia, which seems to further substantiate Fell's decipherments. It is currently being analyzed. When studies are complete, details of these additional findings will appear in future issues of this magazine.
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:07 am |
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Sorry Graham, that article was touched on in 1986 3 years after its publishing saying the case was still open & any further developments would be reported.
Quote: The Horse Creek Ogam inscription was first published in the March 1983 issue of Wonderful West Virginia. The transliteration from the Ogam script to our characters was done by Dr. Barry Fell, professor emeritus from Harvard University, a difficult job well done. He also made an attempt at translation, assuming that the writing was in the Gaelic language, which it was not. The result of this effort was published in the same article but was severely criticized by a number of academics.
However, another translation has it as Basque & closely related to the proposed ancient global language of Saharan. It translates into the authors first involvement in a buffalo hunt by stampede over a cliff. http://tinyurl.com/2v7pqjThis page goes into more detail as to how they made this conclusion. http://tinyurl.com/3xakjqQuote: It appears from the description of St. Brendan's travels in the Navigatio that the early Irish evangelists, who were Gnostic Christians (centered in Alexandria), were experienced ocean sailors and had no problems maintaining contact with their brethern across the Atlantic. This changed when Roman Catholic Christians (based in Rome), being the landlubber variety, took control in Ireland and left the colonies in America to fend for themselves. Judging by the many megalithic stone structures left by these people in New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Vermont, New York, Massachusetts, Virginia etc. (Boland and Fell) it is well possible that this colonization effort started centuries earlier. Robert Pyle mentions that in the Saga of Eric the Red the Norsemen saw men dressed in white robes in what appeared to be an Irish ecclesiastical procession. Several centuries later, early American settlers were astonished to see many native Indians with fair skin and blue eyes (Pyle p66). These people were quickly absorbed by the new wave of immigrants and are even today proudly remembered as ancestors of some of the "earliest" American families.
The Basques were (I don't know much about them now) top notch sea farers which is shown by their past of fishing in Newfoundland waters in the 1500s. A key port on the west coast of the island is named Port Aux Basques. This was the region they utilized. Perhaps they made their way here to already known hunting grounds. http://tinyurl.com/3yvduxQuote: Channel - Port aux Basques is a historically rich community. Situated on the Southwest Coastal Plains region of Newfoundland, this was a fishing station for the French, Portuguese and Basques as early as the 16th century. It was named in the 1500's by the Basque fishermen and used as a haven in storms and a base for fishing and exploration on the northeast coast of North America. While it was named for the Basques, it was hardly their only port: recent research in Spanish archives has uncovered information that Basques whalers and fishermen occupied at least seven islands on Newfoundland's west coast and in southern Labrador. The Basques whalers fished the Straits of Belle Isle in the 16th century. They used the harbour as a sheltered stop for wood and freshwater enroute to major whaling stations on the southern coast of Labrador.
So this seems to tie in with the other threads in this section about our ancient history. Another piece to the puzzle & more questions. It's not like the Basques were not visitors to the western hemisphere alongside the other early visitors from Europe.

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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:51 am |
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Quote: Translated by Edo Nyland...Edo Nyland (1996) agrees with Fell's transliteration of the petroglyph to ogham characters and the Latin alphabet. He disagrees with the translation, however. Nyland says it was not done in Old Irish and Berber, but in Basque. Armed with Fell's letter conversions and copying Fell's methods, he used a Basque dictionary to translate the petroglyph somewhat differently (the detailed work is on his web page, linked below). Nyland and Fell also place the five sections of the petroglyph in different sequences.
Good stuff!!!
I have noticed too that some of the early Mari.tablets mention the early Celts and Basques kings...and share some legends...
I think they may be one and the same...
Adds to the fuel of the Irish Atlantis theory !!!
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:12 pm |
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This is an interesting topic. I remember being fascinated by Barry Fell's discovery back in the day, and it was very educational to reread that article now, with things I've learned since then. He really gives a good explanation there.
It's certainly intriguing to play around with the idea that Irish monks were present in the area of Virginia much earlier than supposed. However, as the dating of the "Fell glyphs" is very much in question, they could well have originated form the 16th and 17th centuries, when presence of such people there is already well-documented. So these glyphs unfortunately can't "prove" that the Irish traveled to the New World in the first millennium.
There is indeed a spreading theory now about "everything" having come from Ireland - just like there is one about everything and everybody originating from Turkey, one from Russia, and of course the usual ones, from India and the Middle East. The whole debate is turning into some kind of a pathetic competition about "who was first", instead of attempting to seriously understand the various "untold stories" of Ancient History. So although I do accept some of the things put forward by the "Irish First" people, but unfortunately I found that many of their pronouncements stem from national pride more than anything else.
The mention of the Basques is an interesting connection here, which can be used to illustrate this "competition" trend among the researchers of vairous ethnic origins. (By the way, the best place to learn about the Basque, as well as about CIA conspiracies and also Japan and many other things - is the immortal spy novel from the seventies "Shibumi", by Trevanian. The best example of how one can get an education in a fun way.)
Anyways, the Basque language is a riddle for linguists, because it's not related to any of the neighboring languages and exists in fact in a family entirely of its own. Some contend that it's loosely related to the family of "Iberian Languages" - and this is where the fun begins, as it involves the very question of who were the "Iberian people", and who are the Basque and where did they come from.
A very interesting claim in this regard comes from the Caucasus country of Georgia (Gruzia) far to the east, a former Soviet republic which is a very distinct ethnic group, who work very hard on keeping it that way. The Georgian language is also completely unrelated to any of the surrounding ones, and their script is entirely unique (though resembles Sanscrit to an untrained eye,) they're the only people in the world that use those particular letters. However, many recent notable Georgian linguists proposed theories that found a similarity between their language and the Basque - a similarly isolated group. Now the Georgian researchers are claiming that the Iberian people in fact originally migrated from the region of the Caucaus, and that Georgian is some type of a "proto-Basque".
This theory seems to find support in the fact that between Georgia and the Pyrenees, at approximately the same latitude, lies another country, which posesses curious similarities with the other two - Albania. The Albanian people are largely a mix between Greeks and Turks, but there is a definite indiginous ethnicity too, with a physical stock that somewhat resembles the Georgians (and the Basque) - the darkish stocky hairy type. And there's evidence that they spoke a language similar to the "Iberian group".
In addition, the people of those three regions share many cultural characteristics - they are fiercly loyal to their own group and very suspicious of outsiders. Yet once they accept you, each one of these peoples is famous for their rarely encountered hospitality. They can easily shoot you just on suspicion, but when you enter their house as a friend, they really go out of their way to make you feel as if everything there is yours, including themselves.
But anyhow, the punchline of the story is that this theory about the Georgian-Basque connection is being pushed only by the Georgians. The Basque researchers disown it completely, and most of them don't even bother to mention it. I guess for some reason they don't want to be associated with the poor and war-torn former Soviet Republic, who they feel may be reaching out for a Big Brother in the West...
Anyways, sorry for the long rant,
As you were,
Sol
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:42 pm |
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This is interesting. I first went looking about the Basque folks when following my rh negative blood. I am Irish, and also have roots back to the Carpathian mountain area/Slavakia, now in Polish territory. For the most part, I set out looking when I began having 'enlightened experiences'. Very interesting topic. I remember my Grandmother speaking a unique dialect, a mix of sorts.
Anyway, very curious about the Basque people.
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:15 pm |
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Interesting the Basque connection with the Georgians....
See The Secret Life of Joseph Stalin
I think it's worth a new thread... been looking into the Basques for a while...
(edited to fix link - Sol)
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SolAris
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:49 pm |
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crystalsage wrote: I think it's worth a new thread... been looking into the Basques for a while...
By all means man, please feel free to start one - it's likely to generate some interest. I myself have only briefly looked into this a few years ago, and I summarized above basically everything I know about - but I'll be very glad to learn more. I know the Georgians relatively well, lived with them for a while.
Thanks for the link to that book, I didn't realize that Stalin himself was disturbed by the "Georgian-Basque" connection! Nor did I know that he's the one who ordered the name of that country changed to the current "Skartvelo", which basically means "mountain country" in Georgian.
The connection between Iveria and Ivri is also an absolutely fascinating direction that I never considered. Again, thanks for that link, I guess I'll simply have to get that book somehow...
Anyways go for it, start another thread on this if you like and spill everything you know.
Cheers,
Sol
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:46 am |
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:B I think this article is worth sifting thru... lots of interesting info!!!!
http://www.tribwatch.com/abkhazia.htm
Quote: The Aras river (unmarked), where the Rosh lived, is seen south of Gogarene. The lake seen under "Gogharena" is Sevan (anciently "Gegham" sea), what I think was named after Sheba, and therefore after the founders of Subartu, even the Molech-worshiping Sepharvites. Today, the eastern region of Abkhazia is Svaneti, the root of which certainly looks like "Sevan." Then read this: "The iconic image of [Sabazios] on horseback battling the chthonic serpent, on which his horse tramples, appears on Celtic votive columns, and with the coming of Christianity it was easily transformed into the image of Saint George and the dragon." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SabaziosIt can't be a coincidence that Albania can be seen on the map snack nest to Iberia (i.e. surely various peoples of Britain were from this region). But there's more. The city on the Abkhazia coast which on the map is marked, "Dioscurius" (named after Pollux and Castor, sons of Leda i.e. the Ladon dragon peoples), was the most-remote settlement of the Miletians. The reality is now obvious, that the peoples of this city and region were the proto-Irish, in that the Irish and Scots to this day claim that Heber and Milesius were their Scythian ancestors from Miletus. That is, certain Iberi of Abkhazia moved to Miletus because Miletus had a colony in their region, and then they sailed off to Spain to become the Iberians there. And that's how the so-called "Sephardic Jews" (Sepharvites from Sevan, I'm now more sure than ever) find themselves in Spain to this day. A common theory is that this Georgian region was root also to the mysterious Basques (of Spain). It seems certain that among these peoples the "star of David" was created (i.e. wherefore it appears on the Ulster flag). Remember, the Templars, when they sought to conquer Jerusalem, used the Galilean city of Sepphoris as their station (and in fact they claim that Jesus was born there -- it figures), this serving as evidence for a Sepharvite ancestry of the core Templars. It may even be that Galilee took it's name after the Galli-branch Kabalists...who may have founded Sepphoris. Realizing that it was these peoples who became the Thracian dragon and the Kabala of Phrygia, note "the Gali district of eastern Abkhazia." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Caucasian_languagesGali is a town associated with the Margaluri (also "Megralian") language, which evokes ancient Margiana (capital, Mari/Mary), the region in Aryan Afghan that I think is the basis of the Merovingian-Mary cult. "Megrelian is one of the South Caucasian or Kartvelian languages. It is closely related to Laz, from which it has differentiated mostly in the last 500 years." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megrelian_languageOn this map of Lazica (small file), one can see that the nation covered what was exactly Abkhazia. It is this (proto-Khazar?) peoples that I would peg as the founders of the Latins. I think it's established in the minds of many that both "Czar" was a cognate of "Khazar," but, then, where did the earlier term, "Caesar," come from, if not from a Khazar-like term? The mythical "Circe" from whom Latinus (symbol of Latins) was made descended, being viewed as a "wife" of Helios by myth writers, should prove to correspond to "Gorgon/Georgia." Abkhazia's ancient region of what is now Gali may have furnished "Heli(os)." In the statement, "Strabo identifies the tribe of Halysones with the ancient west-Georgian (Colchian) tribe of Halybes (or Khalib/Khaldi)" (brackets not mine), one may also tie Helios to the Halysones and thereby to the city/people of Ialysos on Rhodes (the island of Helios). In this way, the Redone Gauls may connect back to the Georgian Gali. While this term may be the earliest form of "Gaul" ("Gali" to the Romans), "Khaldi" may be viewed as the earliest form of "Celt." To thus connect the Celts/Gauls to Gog and/or Rosh/Tubal/Meshech is indeed feasible. The entire north border of Lithuania is Latvia; two of Latvia's major people groups were the Latgali and Zemgali. Note the sun god on Latvia's Arms. Is the azure blue in the background of the sun really the sky, or does it depict the Laz Caucasians? Note also the red and white colors associated with the red lion and silver griffin, as these are the colors of the Rus red and white dragons. Belarus (White Russia) is situated smack next to Lithuania. I would identify the Irish "Conn" terms as stemming from Laz elements in that "Chan" is actually an alternative to this day of the Laz peoples!! As I root the Laz peoples in Afghanistan, I would even suggest that the "Chani" term furnished Af-Ghani. I would of course identify the Chani as the cohens/kagans of Georgia, and therefore trace the various Cohen branches (including the Stewarts) of Europe back to these Ladon-dragon peoples. In that I tied the Picts to Molech, the cult of the cohens I must presume, behold that the Afghans, known earlier as the Pushtans, were quite possibly descended from the same stalk that furnished the Picts: 
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:33 am |
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crystalsage wrote: I think this article is worth sifting thru... lots of interesting info!!!! http://www.tribwatch.com/abkhazia.htm
Hehe! Yeah, I've encountered material from that "tribal watch" website before. What an absolutely INCREDIBLE compilation of connections, the likes of which one never sees. I thought I knew a lot about ancient history, but boy, those guys spew it out at a hundred miles a second.
The problem with their material, unfortunately, is that it's total junk. There is no way to learn anything from what they say, because it's presented in such a confusing manner that it's impossible to understand anything. And this I say after a a lifetime of trying to understand such things. All of my experience says that when material is presented in this manner, it aims to confuse, and not educate.
Therefore, although undoubtedly they Do make several very intersting connections, there is absolutely nothing we can do with them from there, sorry.
I note they go to lengths not to mention the author, and even the book on sale at Lulu is listed by "anonymous". I would guess they have several people writing that, there's no way one person can have such a prolifc output.
Oh yeah, they're of course also "Millennialist" rapture-oriented Fundamentalist Christians. The writing sounds a bit like Barbara Aho's, but her stuff is much more readable. Their agenda wouldn't nullify the value of their research for me, if only they could state their case clearly. But unfortunately they fail to do so on that website.
I hope you're having better luck with them than myself. And if so, maybe you can please explain to me what they're saying.  Merely pointing to all those links just doesn't do the job.
Cheers,
Sol
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:59 pm |
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I wouldn't put it past various scientists.... historians ...unhappy with their peers structured thinking....speculating on the many various anomalies variants that don't fit into their stratas of thought theory.. 'held beliefs'...(and as usual are then laid aside.. or discarded.. or conveniently forgotten.. or ignored) start excercising some free thinking some of their own private research... restructuring 'known' held beliefs to ..interesting finds... translations of old writings... myths...out there without damaging their credibility amongst their peers... or threatening a promotion....as for all the lack of sense and frustration.... it IS a very conservative world out there... especially in 'Academia' ... free thinking... is definitely frowned upon... as any new ideas/findings...that get validated... invalidate another scholars work... can lead to bruised egos...
Maybe they may casually point out these sites that have anonamously published their ideas... for some safe feedback...
Also to maybe compare it with the ideas of other secret contributers who may even add or offer other ideas that could explain these anomalies...
Note those few brave scientists... historians... doctors.. who dare step away from their peers... and speak out and try to share some of these new ideas... are often cruely debunked... ridiculed...lose their standing... careers...
They have to make a total Sea Change... put/find their money where they heart is .. stay true to themselves....and try to feed their families on this mission... project of discovery....
Having degrees... formal qualifications... keeps them from being totally dismissed.... Note they have the same qualifications..equal education as others in their fields... Yet??? why can't they have equal respect????
The arrogance of academia !!!! some of these debunkers!!!
What is it fear of the unknown???? bullying????
Why can't they either chose to listen politely or ... not... why pillory them... crusify them... call them liars... when they don't insist they are right or that they have to be believed...... just simply putting their ideas... beliefs across to share?????
I don't envy their journeys... but do admire them greatly....
a little rant 
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:34 pm |
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crystalsage wrote: I wouldn't put it past various scientists .... without damaging their credibility amongst their peers... to ... casually point out these sites that have anonamously published their ideas
That's a very interesting tirade, coming on top of the previous discussion. Are you speaking from personal experience, do you know people like that?
Anyways, having grown up in that world, I completely agree with your entire construct about the rigidity of Academia, and the need of some researchers to widely spread their ideas while continuing to support their families somehow. It stands to reason that some of them would do it incognito, for the sake of Knowledge itself and not for personal fame. In that way the Alternative field offers also an alternative to people wearied of the Ego Wars that prevails in the mainstream research.
However, the objections offered above were not to the material itself - but rather to the utterly jumbled presentation, which makes it very difficult to follow, much less digest, such a vast quantity of what are mostly unfamiliar ideas and theories. If one wants us to understand such things, and not merely drown us in his erudition, then they need to be explained and elucidated slowly and painstakingly. Otherwise the point of Furthering Knowledge is not achieved and on the contrary, confusion is spread instead.
My best,
Sol
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:07 am |
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crystalsage wrote: The arrogance of academia !!!! some of these debunkers!!!  What is it fear of the unknown???? bullying???? Why can't they either chose to listen politely or ... not... why pillory them... crusify them... call them liars... when they don't insist they are right or that they have to be believed...... just simply putting their ideas... beliefs across to share?????
Because "respected scientists" are funded by the illuminati knobs.
If the real truth is ever to become know and accepted their great big lie will come tumbling down like a house of cards.
The stakes are extremly high when it comes to truth.
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Except the taste of blood... Bruce Cockburn
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