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 Post subject: The return of magic: why magic? why now?
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Magic was taken out of our culture at that time for reasons no more justifiable than the destruction of the rainforests today – which is for the benefit of a handful of very few, very greedy entrepreneurs. So magic was taken out of our culture in the Fourteenth Century to make a very few, very greedy landholders and feudal kings even richer and more powerful. This happened under the guise of piety, distorting the true meaning of Christianity, and guaranteeing poverty, subservience and ignorance for the masses. Magic had to be removed from society because magic can be dangerous to the power-elite. Magic is based on personal empowerment and personal connection to the Divine, and on the belief that women are the keepers of wisdom. The most dangerous secret of all is this: nature is our greatest and most holy sacrament – and available to everyone, for free. So when magic was taken out of our culture, countless people lost touch with their own power to make daily miracles and create happier lives.


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I only read the part of the article you posted so far- but so far it sounds the way I've felt, and what i've found to be true. Thankyou!! I can't wait to read the rest- and will probably be commenting again when I do!! :read:

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The rest of the website is worth checking out. I had trouble deciding which bits to quote, there were so many. ;)

I recommend two of her books, Positive Magic and Earth Magic. Probably all her books are good, but those are the only ones I've actually read so far. :)



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Fantastic article, thanks! Very believable.

It seems like the dark ages very well could have been a period imposed by the elites to loose all knowledge of our natural world, and ultimately embrace science, religion, and slavery.

I really do believe and hope we live in a world of magic and connectedness, and hope that I haven't just read too many fantasy novels. ;)



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Good find Nebula...and the books could be what I am looking for (Just done a card reading that speaks of study over the next few days, so there are my new titles :) ) many thanks..


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Actually, there were no dark ages.

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In European historiography, the term Dark Age(s) refers to the Early Middle Ages, the period encompassing (roughly) 476 to 1000 CE.

This concept of a Dark Age was created by the Italian scholar Petrarch (Francesco Petrarca) in the 1330s and was originally intended as a sweeping criticism of the character of Late Latin literature. Later historians expanded the term to refer to the transitional period between Classical Roman Antiquity and the High Middle Ages,


In reality that whole period was one of innovation, expansion and construction. Newer archaeological findings show that much of the basis of current euro-american society was laid in place in that period. Things such as the widespread harnessing of water power, the institutionalised comerce center (markets), etc arose along with the post Roman feudal system.




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WhiteTiger wrote:
Actually, there were no dark ages.

Wikipedia wrote:
In European historiography, the term Dark Age(s) refers to the Early Middle Ages, the period encompassing (roughly) 476 to 1000 CE.

This concept of a Dark Age was created by the Italian scholar Petrarch (Francesco Petrarca) in the 1330s and was originally intended as a sweeping criticism of the character of Late Latin literature. Later historians expanded the term to refer to the transitional period between Classical Roman Antiquity and the High Middle Ages,


In reality that whole period was one of innovation, expansion and construction. Newer archaeological findings show that much of the basis of current euro-american society was laid in place in that period. Things such as the widespread harnessing of water power, the institutionalised comerce center (markets), etc arose along with the post Roman feudal system.




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The burning times for witches were certainly dark times. The hostility and violence toward the female principle were hardly things to look back on with admiration, regardless of anything else taking place during that time.



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FINALLY, I got around to reading the article. Just beautiful. Thankyou for sharing it. That feels so true to me. I'll have to check out more of the website.

Incidentally, along with this article. Someone a few months ago, said I should read "The Chalice and the Blade". I haven't read this, but the way they described it reminded me of this article. Has anyone else read it, and could they tell me if its worth reading.- I know there is a fiction work of the same title. I'm not referring to that one. Can't remember the author either, sorry. I'll edit if I can find it.

Thanks again for the article!!!
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I haven't read that book, L&L. I've heard there's some controversy about its credentials, but apparently it can be read not as a strictly historical tract but as more of an inspiration.

Glad you liked the article. :)



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Actually, I find that we need tog o back to our beginnings. If you think about it, we were closer to the Earth and her other inhabitants. Now, we are so separate from the Earth and we hold ourselves up higher than the animals and plants here, instead of being in tune with them.

As to the women being held higher, we are the creators and nurturers of new life. You can find references to this ideal in history books. It was the Christians who decided that they would become celibate to show God/Jesus that they held him in high regard and then condemned the women for tempting them. I have taken Medieval history and it is quite interesting how women could own land and have rights until Christianity took hold. Then our mental capabilities were called into question and we needed a man to do our thinking for us. Pretty bizarre when you read about it.



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Liked the article. It's very similar to something I wrote on the subject once. I would say women are definitely the more intuitive and naturally esoteric sex and I feel keeping that under reign is why they're subjugated so harshly in the major religions. Because I see no evidence of this in the ancient civilizations where the supernatural was openly recognized. There were priestesses as highly regarded as priests and goddesses as influencial as gods. And the major gods all had female counterparts. Zeus/Hera, Osiris/Isis, Apollo/Diana, Thoth/Maat, etc. To have just a male or female principle was considered imbalance.


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Aquarius begins.

Pisces ends. Pisces rules religion. Pisces rule ends.

Aquarius begins.

Each is 2160 years long.

Thus the return of the suppressed, the magic, the science, which was taken away 2160 years ago.

Which humanitarian and communicative Aquarius will investigate.


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Prophmaji wrote:
Aquarius begins.

Pisces ends. Pisces rules religion. Pisces rule ends.

Aquarius begins.

Each is 2160 years long.

Thus the return of the suppressed, the magic, the science, which was taken away 2160 years ago.

Which humanitarian and communicative Aquarius will investigate.


Is this imparting some kind of knowledge? I am an aquarian, so if you would like my communicative and investigative best...I say you need to go a bit further then to convince me. Sorry Neb, guess I am cranky.

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But this "New Age" movement is not really new at all. Many people still do not seem to realize that a vast body of knowledge and information has existed for centuries, effectively hidden from view.


I have been a seeker all my life. Not anything been hidden from me. Only thing that has stood between me and learning or knowing has been time and my own effort to understand whatever it is I wanted to understand.

Magic is not gone. Patriarchal or matriachal societies have come and gone. Impermanence seems to be a function of humans and not the land or the laws it operates within. In my very arrogant opinion.



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As your signature requires. :)


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Yes, as Prophmaji says, the influence of each Zodiac sign lasts around 2160 years with each era bringing a change in 'dominance' (Masculine to Feminine to neither/either until total balance at the end of the Zodiacal cycle), perspective and understanding through experiences...

Magic and spiritual power has always been available to those who were ready and willing...it is just because of a 'mass' awakening right now that we think it is something resurging...many in the past have chosen this avenue through which to evolve the final stages into ascension.. :)


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Good read! thanks for posting.
although I would disagree with this bit-
"There are no more feudal kings, there is no more feudal hierachy to be foisted on the masses"

this is a bit superficial imho...
those damned masses always have someone foisting their s*** on them (and they wouldn't have it any other way it seems)


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As your signature requires. :)


My signature is a hard fought war with myself, but the upshot of that war is I realized with whom the real struggle is. Therefore, it is not a requirement, it is my own summation of the journey thus far.

I will chalk it up to different equations.



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I guess it depends on what you call Magic. I have more power now WITH Christ than I ever had without Him. It's not the divine that holds us back but man writing rules to protect himself, which I think you have already said. I have the ability to see, know, prophesy, travel without benefit of plane/car, etc. none of which I do through what I'd call magic, but part of the supernaturalness of God Himself. I believe that invention/creativity is merely the moving of something from one dimension to another. It all exists somewhere. The Bible says, "No eye has seen, no ear has heard..." There is a saying my spiritual father likes to spout, "If you can think it up, it's not weird enough."


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I guess it depends on what you call Magic. I have more power now WITH Christ than I ever had without Him. It's not the divine that holds us back but man writing rules to protect himself, which I think you have already said. I have the ability to see, know, prophesy, travel without benefit of plane/car, etc. none of which I do through what I'd call magic, but part of the supernaturalness of God Himself.


When you prophecize, are you ever wrong, about any detail?


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As your signature requires. :)


My signature is a hard fought war with myself, but the upshot of that war is I realized with whom the real struggle is. Therefore, it is not a requirement, it is my own summation of the journey thus far.

I will chalk it up to different equations.


Call it an attempt to avoid a war of unrealized semantics re origins of stance within the aspect of communication. Meaning, the depth of the understanding and intent being near impossible to communicate in a few words on a forum. Best to leave it alone, and allow time to deliver clarity to and through the art of communication.


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Am I ever wrong? Well, hard to answer that. Often it's with people I don't know and will never see again. I do know that during a session, there are so many HITS that I feel comfortable in continuing. Sometimes, people come to me the next year and say, "Ohhhh, you were soooo right on!" And I've had many instance where I will repeat something word for word that someone else has told them. That gives confirmation. Many times, people need a confirming word to assure them they are on the right path. When we've done dream teams/prophetic teams, we've had people have to be carried off they are sobbing so in finding out what God has to say for them. Many people have no idea that they are loved. One time, a woman came to the mall in Orlando with a gun in her purse, ready to kill herself. Some of our team members were having lunch in the food court and one of them gave her a word. She started to cry. She said that she'd come to the mall determined to hear something from God and if she didn't, she planned on killing herself. Once she got the word, she changed her mind. That's when it's cool.


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I don't think it matters what you believe in, as long as you believe in something, It is something that vibrates a consciousness’ inside building confidence within yourself that you can achieve what ever you set out to do
When one stops believing then that inner feeling stops and we question ourselves with doubt.

It does not matter if someone’s belief is different to yours that is up to them, It is your belief that counts to you, that is the beauty of "self "
" and being who you are ".


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Am I ever wrong? Well, hard to answer that. Often it's with people I don't know and will never see again. I do know that during a session, there are so many HITS that I feel comfortable in continuing. Sometimes, people come to me the next year and say, "Ohhhh, you were soooo right on!" And I've had many instance where I will repeat something word for word that someone else has told them. That gives confirmation. Many times, people need a confirming word to assure them they are on the right path. When we've done dream teams/prophetic teams, we've had people have to be carried off they are sobbing so in finding out what God has to say for them. Many people have no idea that they are loved. One time, a woman came to the mall in Orlando with a gun in her purse, ready to kill herself. Some of our team members were having lunch in the food court and one of them gave her a word. She started to cry. She said that she'd come to the mall determined to hear something from God and if she didn't, she planned on killing herself. Once she got the word, she changed her mind. That's when it's cool.


The reason I ask is because you credit it to Christ while as you probably have been told, in biblical tradition psychic ability is generally regarded as evil. The only exception is if a person's visions come directly from God. But if they say it's from God and they're ever wrong about anything it's supposed to mean their vision came from somewhere else and the psychic was to be summarily killed. Not a problem you have to worry about nowadays but a case in point to the thread topic. :)


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I don't usually speak unless I'm really sure of what I say. And yeah, the whole killing of the prophets is always a downer and dissuader to those starting out. We believe that prophets have to be trained and in the process, there are a lot of messy diapers. It is good to have a safe place to practice.


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About the Dark Ages. I've always taken it to represent the Christian Dark Ages, meaning the time when Christianity mercilessly took control of the world and tried to hold it at all costs against science and magick. (Yes, science and magick, together. Think about it.)

We know that the clergy failed, but it seems science took a far greater leap after the fall. Perhaps because the Christians were somewhat successful in removing the concept of individual divinity and the awareness of spirit? No matter, that seems to be recovering now.

And as far as technology, there was none. between the fall of Rome and the Renaissance there was such a decline in something so basic as sanitation that the Plague was allowed free reign over Europe, while civilised nations such as the Moslem states, with their religious bathing habits (literally), did not suffer as much.

So, yes, they were dark. Nothing to do with light though, I'm sure the sun was just as bright back then.


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I see "Christian" oppression as coming from the Catholic Church. It was not so much a matter of religion as it was MONEY and power. Just who was it that burned Joan of Arc? I believe she heard from God as who was she before? Just a little slip of a girl. Not a general. I see God using the foolish to confound the "wise". Where was Gideon when God called him? HIDING. And even HE was sure God was looking for someone else. I believe our discoveries are merely taking things from one dimension and bringing it to this one. I do not believe we are "divine" as in being Gods. I believe in only one and those who embrace Him inherit a royal lineage.


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As a practicing Theistic Satanist magick is a large part of what I believe in. I am expanding my knowledge on magick at a good rate with some good results. I just wish it were more clear to people that Satanic magick is not all negative, magick by nature is Satanic due to being the adversarial belief of Yahweh.



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um yea, well satanic magic may not be evil, but the ones running this world into the ground right now are definitely evil by nature, and yes their deity is luciferan i do believe, someone come prove me wrong though.


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