The Book Of THoTH

Having read a conciderable amout of posts on this forum, I have decided to make my first post a new thread. If this has been addressed before, I apologize, I must have missed it.
I find it curious that ruins of past civilisations are not present in North America or Canada to the same degree as South America. If humans stretched from the Middle East thru' Asia and across the Bering Strait one would think the oldest ruins would run north to south. Instead we find developed cultures with advanced building, agriculture and astronomical knowlege in the south and more primitive dwellings the further north one goes.
This has lead me to speculate that an advanced civilation once existed that was capable of world wide commercial trade. This is not to say they had technology comparable to modern man, but they were able to sail the seas long before the historical records indicate.
This would also explain the similarities of creation myths, white gods in predomantly dark skinned peoples lore and world wide flood stories.
Call it what you will, Atlantis, Lemuria....a rose by any other name...
So, I guess the question I pose you all is this:

Did a world wide catastrophe happen in mans' past that wipe the slate clean and so completely destroyed any evidence that all that is left is mystery?

Comments Welcome

yes there was a disaster ~10,000 years ago. the temps warmed 10 degrees C in less than 1000 years. this caused the mile+ thick glaciers covering most of Europe and north America to melt to very near present positions. it caused a global sea level rise of 300ft (100 meters) in that time period.incidentally that is a greater temp rise than is observed today from 1900- 2000 and the temps have stabilized to nearly the same on average world wide for the last 10 years (since 1998) despite a 4% rise in co2 output. go figure.i have lots of comments on this but that is another thread.
i personally believe that seafaring nations have been around the world since ~2000BC (and probably far longer than that).

i also believe Atlantis was in the Mediterranean sea, until glacial melt flooded it, generating a flood myth in Europe and the mid east. similar happenings around the world at the time also generated flood myths. we have had spoken language for far longer than science gives us credit for. these myths were passed down until they were written down 5-6000 yrs ago.

I have run out of fingers and toes counting the theories of Atlantis, from the Mediterranean to Antartica. I'm not convinced it existed, however I do believe the Sumerian history is far older than records indicate and probably the progeneters of the myths.

Are you reading the Tribes of Atlantis threads by PauloRiven here at BoT?

Start from the beggining, I started from the point of when I joined BoT & was having a hard time because I didn't read the earlier writtings. He is open to questions and other theories and comments. It's really very interesting.

Of course there are others writing's there & also the Bot library.

Thanx for the heads up. I'll look into it.

The Celts have a long long history. They might be worth looking at.

It is rumoured that Menes, the first Egyptian Pharaoh, was buried in Eire

The Celts were educators and sea farers.

Hi Person 1,

Thanx for the link. I just skimmed it for now but it looks like an interesting read and reinforces my belief.

If I were ever to embrace the ancient astronaught theory, this would be my prime example:



http://www.crystalinks.com/dogon.html

Interesting post I was actually thinking of starting a simillar forum when I found this one. It amazes me that so many people have so many parts of the puzzle and they never put it together.

Wile what I write here is largely theroy. I personaly belive what I present here. There is evidence and more proof surfaces every year. From stone roads found on the floor of the Atlanic. To a city found over 300 ft deep off the coast of India. The relics brought up from this city carbon pre date the earliest known civilizations. These are just a few examples of surfaced proof.

Atlantis was not a island or a land mass. Atlantis was the Earth, this big blue marble was called Atlantis before the end of last ice age. The moutains of ice that covered the northern part of our planet made the southern part of our planet to be most populated. The global melt spoke of in another reply to this post not only caused flooding of the planet. But also caused what we know as the continental ice self to break loose. That threw an already flooded earth into a wobble. Causing land shifts that reformed a large part of the earths surface. This in turn wiped out most of the earths population. This disaster threw mankind back to the stone age forcing us to rebuild.

Personaly I think we were actually more advanced than what we are now. And before any of you doubt that we were possibly more advanced. Think of this if something like this happened now? How many of the items you use daily would you be able to recreate? Give us another few hundred years and we will be even dumber than we are now. Food comes from the store, water from your faucet, every year some machine takes the place of a skilled human. Right now most people lack the basic skills to survive and it the years to come the more advanced we become it will worsen.

As I said its just a theroy at this time but more proof comes to light as time marches on.

Agreed.

Atlantis = Atlas

Hi Priest_of_Pan,

While I may be inclined agree with you, I must take issue on a couple of points.
First, there is absolutly nothing in any archealogical dig to suggest technology that exceeded the abilities of the times. That being said, we don't know what's buried under thousands of years of sediment. It is a shame that the Greek government only allows very limited research off shore. Wonderous things are sure to be found there, like the Antikythera Device.

http://world-mysteries.com/sar_4.htm

Second, while a vast store of information was lost at the Library of Alexandria, our current record keeping abilities assures at least some of it being saved from anything short of complete distruction of the entire planet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria

Even stainless steel eventually rots away. As a matter of fact I cant think of anything that will last 10 thousand years. Actually there is proof that we had concrete technology better than currant and then lost it thousands of years ago. Quite a few of the old structures littered through out the world are constructed of poured concrete block. Guess how they built the pyramids? The world is not ready to admit this but it will have to someday. Not to mention they had some awsome survey and global positioning technology. If that isnt proof we have been here in our development then what does.

But lets follow a diffrent path all together. We are starting to see that what a computer processer does can be done in a fluid or gel body. That images, words, movies, can be played in a pool of water. It is just like looking at your T.V. or computer screen. Many natural replacements are being found that will perform as well as our technology. Who is to say we didnt follow that path before.

I personally think that if the whole christain thing hadnt gotten started we would be far more advance than we are today. That in its self could be a whole new post.

As far as record keeping maybe there lies a valut of records just waiting to surface. There is a doorway below the spinx that the legend of the area says is the doorway to a vault of knowledge. The goverment there confirms that such a door exist but they have no plans to explore it.

Again its all right there in front of our faces.

Hi Priest_of_Pan,



Source, Please.



I've seen the report on this theory, nothing is conclusive. There is better evidence that the stones were quarried. That being said, I will give you this;


http://www.crystalinks.com/gpstats.html



That they levelled the plateau for the pyramids to .02 degrees does show awesome survey techniques, but not beyond the abilities of the day.
That they had a profound knowledge of astronomy does not equate to global positioning technology.



I couldn't agree more!

As always, comments are welcome!

I say the pyramids were built of of concrete because I had a chance to look at. And cut a chunk of one of the blocks used to construct the great pyramid. I am a rock and crystal hound and have dug and cut rock and crystal for years. I have a stone saw and cut pieces for other people. Several years ago an older man I knew brought me a chunk of what looked like a grey rock. He asked me to cut it into 3 equal sections. He wanted it cut to give one to each of his great grand children. As we were planning out the cuts he told me the story of this rock. He had broken the chunk of rock he brought me off of one blocks used to construct the great pyramid in the early 1930s. As I examined the chunk I asked him if he had broken it himself or if he hasd bought it. He assured me he had harvested it himself. (I believe this guy he was a very interesting guy with a background he could prove. I later got to know him very well and this guy was James Bond before the story was ever thought up.) I explained that the reason I asked was it looked like a chunk of old cocncrete. The cutting was the proof to me. This stone cut like aged concrete and every type of stone cuts diffrently. This besides the fact that stones break on grain or crack lines and this hunk had neither. Several other people have said the same thing in the last several years.

No insult but I love the way people say things like,

That they levelled the plateau for the pyramids to .02 degrees does show awesome survey techniques, but not beyond the abilities of the day.

The plateau is a base of solid rock, that not only were they able to find and somehow know it was stable enough to support the pyramids. But they were able to actually bring it into 2 tenths of a degree. With todays mega machines it would still be at least a 3 year project to do the sight work getting ready for the pyramids to be built. I am very experinced with this as I work major construction projects. Not to mention the sides of the pyramids are straight with less than a guarter of an inch of sway. We still have a hard time building things that accurate.

Hi Priest_of_Pan,



Several pyramids were built before the Great Pyramids and failed, they were tests to find the proper base and techniques.

http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptpyrindex.html



Isn't it illegal to remove antiquities from archeological sites?



No insult taken,...yet, this is a discussion, an exchange of ideas, I don't necessarily dismiss what you say. IMHO, I think the pyramids were built by very ingenious and highly motivated people for reasons we can only guess at, without divine intervention. There is no empirical evidence to the contrary. If you can produce a device with current technological capabilities dating to that time, then I will bow to your superior knowledge.

Civil Comments are Welcome

model airplane or bird?

2200 yr old artifact, when replicated, will glide through the air. we did not possess this until the 20th century. then again the Egyptians are a very clever people , building pyramids that we would be hard pressed to build today, with modern equipment.

I actually saw this on the History channel. They made a replica and it did indeed fly..

Good link here on that artifact:

http://world-mysteries.com/sar_7.htm

And more mystery here:

http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html

These links are fascinating. Thanks so much

We are becoming the 3rd or 4th truly global civilization. Atlantis tells the story of the one before us that managed to wipe itself out, and it happened at least once, but probably twice before that. In spite of a deliberate campaign to destroy the evidence of our past, bits and pieces of evidence remain.

It's known that the "ancient" (recent would be a more accurate word) Egyptians sailed all over the world looking for women with red hair to serve as Priestesses in their temples. They just found evidence that the Vikings were in Oklahoma in 900 bce. They find batteries in ancient rocks and there are sites that show signs of nuclear explosions thousands of years ago.

Most of what people think they know is false. Our history is scraps of what survived the rise of patriarchy. We like to think that Greece and Rome were the beginning of civilization, but actually, they were the end of it. We're just now passing levels of technology that they had in the Library of Alexandria.

Isn't that supposed to be an ancient computer for calculating the positions of the celestial bodies? Am I wrong in saying this was way ahead of it's time?

In the Mechanics: Applied Science sections of the Library of Alexandria, which Morgaine alluded to, is found some modern application, with modern technology using ancient technologies.







You're making a few blanket statements yourself. If you do this, I'd recommend the above.



I agree. I saw stone cutters from Egypt demonstrating the method for splitting monstrous rocks with a hammer & chisel. Form the block, score & split. The same tools were employed then as now. Perhaps not quite to the same hardness, maybe better.



What about say, magnetic storms? Or even, very powerful magnets, & don't forget heat. See, complete destruction is unwarranted. But, the traditional methods of carving & etching seem to do the trick. That might call for the destruction of the planet.



I'm not sure I understand the statement. A device would consist of the hammer & chisel. I'll take a stab at it. This is A device as the chisel is actually part of a tool, useless without the hammer. I stated above the same tools & techniques are used today in Egypt to cut stones. It has current technological capabilities because I've used it on a few occasions. The summer before last I cleaned the concrete off 177 bricks & had to split quite a few that were joined, with a hammer & chisel.

You can also refer to the above quote from the site I posted.



I didn't know that. I'm sorry if this is common knowledge among other members. Can someone point this out to me.



How recent is this? The only physical proof I know of about the Vikings being south of the island of Newfoundland is the discovery of chestnuts amongst the artifacts in Lanse Aux Meadows. Like I said, how recent is this evidence? I would really like to read about it because I believe Newfoundland was a part of the routes of the ancient civilizations. It is the closest point to Europe from the western hemisphere thus being the shortest straight route.



Yes, & like Priest_of_Pan noted about the ancient cities being uncovered & the sites that are off limits to us. That includes a lot more than the Greek sites that are off limits to archaeologists. The latest being the 9000 year old city found in the NE Indian waters. A 7000 year old city found in NE Egypt. The ancient city of Jericho & ancient Turkish sites. Is it feasible to say that each of these discoveries were one of a kind. Jericho was the only city that existed at that moment in time? Did a huge city evolve once every 500 hundred years? 1000 years?

I'm enjoying reading this thread. I'm sorry I had to pose these questions all at one, xtrmn8r but you did ask for questions. I was caught up in a few things so I couldn't really put much effort into contributing until now. These are just my opinions & observations. Right on.

Hi All,

TrentCoole



IMHO,The uniqueness of this device was not as much of what it did as its' construction. We all know that the ancients had amazing knowledge of astronomy, that they built a geared device to predict the procession of the stars is astounding. However, it was not ahead of its' time in the sense of their ability to build it.




I try to remember to link source material when I make a statement, I will be more vigilant in the future.



Perhaps I should have made myself more clear. I agree that there are many devices in use today that are modern versions of ancient tools. I was speaking in terms of things made of materials or manufacturing methods not consistant with the abilities of the artisans of the time.

Question, comments, debates and miscellaneous thoughts are always welcome. I don't have all the answers, I dare say noone has, but that is why I'm here, to seek others' input, insights and opinions. I only ask that posts are logical, sourced and not dependant on undocumented or unprovable speculation.

If you just take the bits of proof that have been talked about in this post. I personaly believe that something happened in mans past that drove him backwards. 10,000 reasons can be thought of as to how this happened. None the less there is more than enough poof that history is not what we are taught.

I do not post links in my postings for the most part, unless I am posting about the websight I have posted the link to. With all subjects if you search hard enough you will find a page that agrees with your thoughts. So I simply present an idea for the reader to think about. Even if there is a link posted I still search the web to see what other views are out there. If you are online reading my postngs then that means you have google. Go search use your mind, prove me wrong if I am, or maybe you will prove me right with further proof you have found. Like the rest of you all I seek is the truth, what actually happened.

However seekers of the truth of the past should also seek the truth of the present. The truth is there is something wrong with the world today and it seems to have links to the past. Everywhere you look all goverments are becoming more controling. And one of there new controls is to limit or restrict access to ancient sights. One would be mindfull to look at the world around them.

such as the city mentioned in this thread?
9000 yr old city found under 36 meters of water;this dates to near the end of the last ice age,when seal levels rose dramatically and quickly (giving rise to flood myths?).

generally large cities are ascribed to the rise sumarian and egyptian some 6000 yrs ago.

I've been up most of the night so I'll only address this one little thingy for now.



One of the reason I post links, is to back up what I'm trying to say. If someone, like myself, is very interested in following up on what is posted or if they find an erroneous fact mentioned, it can be easily checked & verified.

I don't think I should have to go through this thread & have to google something for every post. For one thing, if the subject is a commonly discussed one, there can be dozens of authentic sites, or even locations within each site. Google is not a magic button that gives us the instant information that we are looking for. Would you have it that you find out something new or amazing & post your find, only to have someone else come in & have to explain what you are saying because you didn't post any supporting documents or articles?

Quite a number of individuals have complained about having no respondents to their threads. That is one of the reasons this happens.

Xtrmn8r, I found your posting of links to be more enlightening but, when the site linked to is as extensive as some of those you posted, an exact page could be linked or, you could use quotes from the particular site to give us an indication of where it is, instead of having to read through much unnecessary information.

I'm posting this because the subject of sourcing was bought up. It took me several hours to go over this thread yesterday & it was only one page. I had to read through xtrmn8r's links & had to google through Priest_of_Pan's posts. It is not a difficult prospect to post some links. If you are finding your data online, copy the address or the particular section & post it to your notepad. Then you can use it yourself for future reference. Depending on what happens in the thread you have posted in, or on the site, your information you posted for everyone to see, may not be here tomorrow.

Anyway, I'm going to catch up on some ZZZs. This is just my thoughts on how to make your posts more readable, thus more interesting. Right on.

hey...I'm not even in this thread.

besides, typing ain't easy when you're a 3 fingered monkey.

Hi All,

Priest_of_Pan,

The Wright brothers proved their speculation by demostrating their theories. While I don't believe we have found all there is to find, I can only speak to what has been uncovered. I believe there was world wide commerce,but, there is no definitive proof that a civilisation existed that was equal to or greater than the technology we have today.
I'm a firm believer in Occums' Razor. I would rather reserve judgement than to try to explain the explaination. My anology is this:
If you tell me 2+2=5, I say this is wrong and dismiss it out of hand. You then decide to manufacture an explaination out of thin air and add negative x, so that 2+2=5-x. This is a true statement, sort of, but now I must solve for -x which means that you have just complicated the issue and must justify the explaination.

TrentCoole,



Point taken, I understand. However, I assume that anyone reading this is interested in more than those tidbits alluded to in short posts so I reference the entire articles for those who wish to delve deeper.

minifang,

Good read at your link, more here for your reading pleasure. As Priest_of _Pan observed, there is much to be uncovered in the oceans.

Link


I look foward to more debate.

EDIT> shrank the mile long url (WT)

Oops ! I knew I should have double checked the Viking story before I mentioned it - I should have said 900 ce, not bce - the story is from Feb 18.

About the red-haired Priestesses - I said that's known, not that it's general knowledge.

Re: the pyramids - are you all familiar with the Coral Castle? (Maybe you mentioned it and I missed it...) That was built by one man who claimed to know the secret of the ancient Egyptians. I'm certainly not an engineer, but I don't believe we could build a pyramid as accurately as the ones attributed to the Egyptians with the capabilities and equipment we have right now.

Hello, xtrmn8r

To return to your question at the top of this thread, it is quite possible that the slate was wiped"clean" insofar as the North American continent is concerned. The Laurentide Glaciers were probably the largest on the face of the Earth at that time. As was mentioned in the first reply, the rather 'sudden' end of the last Ice Age would have been a catastrophe for those in close proximity to the leading edge of the glacier(s).
Today, there are occasional reports of ice dams breaking in high himilayan valleys in Northern India that end in flash floods wiping out everything including villages and people in their paths. These ice dams were holding back meltwater lakes formed on top of glaciers. When the dams failed, the water exited with high velocity, to disasterous effect.
I cant get my hands on my copy just now, but Graham Handcock wrote a book (Water World, IIRC ) just a few years ago that examined this phenomenon. On a continental scale, glaciers would not have neccessarily had a front as high as the average thickness. Indeed, the further south it stretched, it made sense to realise, that in warmer climes, the front would have been a gradual slope upwards north back to the thickest part.

Meltwater lakes on top of a two mile high glacier would have had the force, and distance to speed ( as estimated in the book ) to almost 2000 miles per hour before crashing into the ground at the front of the glacier. You can imagine that this would easily destroy everything in its path, and may have happened several times as the glaciers retreated

This goes a long way into explaining why the ground in Northern Canada is so thin in comparison to the American South.

I live in Southern Ontario, where there are lots of moraines, that were surely formed by water action. If you could look at the topography here, and in surrounding areas, you would see a pattern that looks remarkably similar to that of the bottom of a shallow lake or river, with wave after wave of sand or earth in mounds , one right after another.

Maybe if we can finally dig down far enough, perhaps some trace of who was here at that time might be found.

Morgaine mentions the Coral Castle in her last post. Wile a very new landmark it none the less is a subjcet of interest. I have personaly visited the sight 3 times and am amazed every time.

There is no doubt that the coral blocks are solid cut from the source. There is much mystry as to how he cut and moved the blocks to this day. As he did all the work alone with handmade tools and would never let anyone see him work.

There is an old story that a teen boy watched him make a block move with mind or magick power. That story was never able to be proven. But it is true that Ed built the place.

The currant websight seems to have rewriten some of the old stories with the sight.

For those of you that like your entertainment prepackaged here is the websight. http://www.coralcastle.com

From a previous page I found this link called the coral castle code