Hi folks

I sat down at my computer today to do some creative work (for my job) and when I cleared my mind to try to think creatively I found there was something there. A subtle pressure. Something that wanted saying. By now I know this feeling well enough - it is a being wishing to use me to get a message out. So I allowed this and what follows is what came out. It may be of some use to you. I hope so.

When the channelling was done I was lead to understand by this being that the topics under discussion are huge, multifaceted issues of tremendous complexity. In the interests of getting the message out the being had taken some liberties and over-simplified some of the understandings. If you will accept this and understand that there is much, much more to all of this then, on behalf of the being, I would be grateful.

Other than that I offer my usual caveat: I am a conscious channel. I might be getting this wrong. I have no proof that what I am experiencing is what it purports to be. I appeal to you to use your own discernment to decide if this is right and true for you or not. If it is not right for you then discard it. If it IS right for you then use it because your inner truth approves - not because some ostensible being in my head says so.

I offer this in love
Zingdad

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Joy-Divine Speaks on Despair

I would speak to you today on the subject of despair. A particular despair. Those of you that live now on planet earth that look around themselves and see only cause for tears. Those of you that think the world is doomed. Those that lament their lives and lose hope. I speak to you.

My story begins with your beginning. Let me say first that you have no TRUE beginning for assuredly you are one with God and are infinite. Eternal. Immortal. But there have been many beginnings that you might choose to point to despite this. The beginning I would point you to is when your spark of consciousness first descended beyond the Veil of Unknowing. Allow me to explain. You are, each of you, a part of a great spirit. This magnificent being wished to engage in a rather remarkable and amazing experiment. It wished to know how it would be to not know what It knows. It wished to engage in a very complex experiment where It would have some of Itself go to a realm where that aspect would be able to forget that It is an indivisible part of a great spirit. Indeed that spark would forget that It is a part of All That Is. It would forget Its own essential nature and even forget what Source is. It would forget everything and THEN begin a remarkable process of self-rediscovery from this place of knowing nothing. You agreed to this. Each for Its own reason and each in Its own way, you entered this system. It is a most remarkable and complex arrangement and it would take a great deal of time and effort to explain even the rudiments of the system and how it works but the essence is this: you are doing something that in all of creation has never been done before. You are a unique pioneer in an experiment that serves all of creation. You are honoured for this. What you do now is recognised to be unbelievably difficult. You are stripped of all your knowingness and understanding and then you are blocked from using your normal tools and resources and then you are put together as babes to find your way home. We stand in amazement that you agreed to do this. Be assured the learning that comes from this is a wonder for all creation. So… yes… most of you struggle with this existence you call “life on earth”. It is clearly very difficult indeed. You create your reality but do not know it. You do not understand your tools of creation. You do not understand the nature of energy, matter or time. And yet you create your reality. A natural out flowing of unknowing is, it appears, fear. So you create with fear. This means you literally are creating for yourself the outcomes that you least want. And then, when you get that outcome and are miserable and angry. You feel like a victim. Some others turn their fear into all manner of sinister manifestations: they manipulate, control and abuse. Some of these are in positions of power. Often hidden positions… behind the scenes manipulators. And so your world comes to look quite dark indeed. And hence your despair.

Well here is the good news. Here is reason to take heart. This experiment comes to a close. A great deal of light is being expended by what you might call The Hosts of Heaven to bring you out of your misery. But this is complicated. You see free will is a rule that is not easily broken. It DOES I have to admit get bent from time to time but then imbalance is created and that imbalance must later be righted. But the point is there is the law of free will. If beings are creating a fear-filled reality for themselves then we cannot, may not and will not swoop in and take from them that which they have created and replace it with a happier reality. Much as you might ask us to it is simply so that YOU must create for yourself a reality in which we assist you. Otherwise we cannot. But there are all manner of other interventions which we can engage in. We are wily and wise. We are also able to traverse time and space in ways which you will not now comprehend, manipulate energy and matter most powerfully and enter your consciousness in the subtlest of ways. We find ways to encourage you… to hint, to nudge, to gently persuade. And the goal of all this is that you turn your faces towards the light. All of you. It is simply so that not one of you, once he or she knows what awaits beyond the veil will choose to remain on this side. You will understand that your function is fulfilled. The experiment is done. You may return home in triumph. And so we create opportunities to show you this. We assist in numerous permutations of what might be called an Ascension Process. Each of you will have the perfect process mapped out and each of you shall return to full realisation of your own beauty, power and magnificence. You will again know your oneness with All. This will take a lot of work with some. Those that are deeply buried within the illusion… those that have become particularly preoccupied with this game and are deeply wrapped in cloaks of darkness and fear. Such beings will need a little more coaxing. But you… you who now feel despair… for you it will go a lot easier. I say this simply because it is obvious that you desire change on a very deep level. You look at your world, at your life, at your reality and your heart cries “THIS IS NOT RIGHT!”. You beseech us in your own private way to come in and help. And we do. All I ask now of you is that you cease to hinder us in our attempts to be of assistance. I ask that you turn your despair to something productive. Use your pain to drive you forward. All you have to do to accomplish this is to answer this question as comprehensively as possible:
“What do you want?”
Truly. This is all you need to do. Create for yourself a complete answer to this question. If you could have any life in any reality how would it be? Now remember you must create for YOURSELF, not for others. Only for yourself. It might be that others want to create a similar reality and that you can co-create and co-habit. But those are details. For now you need to simply know what you want. How would your ideal world look? How would it operate? How would your life be? What would you do? Create your dream and colour it in. Fill it with all the details you can imagine. Do you know you cannot have what you want if you don’t know what you want? Well… now is your chance. Begin by deciding very firmly what you DO want. This is a far better strategy, I can assure you, than living in fear, getting what you don’t want and then bemoaning your fate.

Some final pointers:
1. Do not concern yourself with the journey, only the destination. By this I mean you only need to create in your mind the type of life you desire. You do not need to figure out how you will get there. This is the thing that stymies most of your creations. You begin with a wonderful dream and then immediately say “but I don’t know how to make this happen” and promptly you abandon this nascent paradise.
2. Similarly let go of any “problem thoughts” that crop up. What about my children? What about my dog? You are simply creating your own dream right now. Populate it as you wish. The final manifestation of this dream will take place such that it is in everyone’s best interests. All you need to do for now is create your ideal life.
3. Do not create a life for others in your dream that you would not wish for yourself. This type of dreaming will keep you in density. I do not recommend you dream a life where others serve you and your ego.
4. Do not create negatively. This does not work. For example do not say “in my ideal world I will not have any bad politicians”. There is no value to that statement in creation terms. Rather create positively like this: “in my ideal world all leaders will be absolutely honest and accountable,” or maybe you’d prefer: “there would be no need for government as all people would always live in their highest good and be accountable for their own actions”. Think about it how would this ideally work for you. Or maybe your ideal scenario is a small community that needs no governance. Maybe your dream reality is such that you have no concern for matters of politics – for example you may wish to simply flit from one space/time point to another like an eternal tourist of all realities. So…
“What do YOU want?”
Now create it positively. Visualise it. Experience it in your imagination. NOW you begin to assist us in our chosen role of assisting you. Now you no longer hamper us and work to keep yourself stuck in density.

And what if none of this is true? What have you lost? Try it is all I ask.

I look forward to the day when we might again meet and you might again remember that we have always known each other. Such reunions are a blessed thing indeed! Until that event I send you my love,

Joy-Divine

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Great post Zingdad.

Sorry but I am a very curious person. I have lots of questions:


The only thing that made me pause was that this experiment is unique in this universe. Usually there is nothing unique in this universe, so that is an exciting statement.

I have heard of other planets being in the same boat as us, stuck behind a veil. Is there any truth to this?

So if we were created by the Anunnaki, then each child born on Earth was incarnated by a soul from somewhere in the universe that chose to take part in this experience? In other words, none of us are souls that were brought into existence here on Earth?

Since the population is growing, who is incarnating in all these bodies? Are they other souls joining late in the experiment?

Given that there are an unfathomable number of spirits in the universe, you would think there would be more than a measly 6 billion spirits willing to take part in this experience, right? Is/was there a waiting line? Why are we here and not other spirits? Was there some sort of priority?

These are some questions I still am looking for answers to. Hopefully either you or Adamu can help me out. I appreciate you taking your time to answer me. Thanks in advance Zingdad.

Heya Anomynous

I'll happily ask your questions - let's see what we get... I think the most appropriate of my spiritual associates is Adamu so I shall address this to him.

Hello Adamu
Hello young friend
Some questions as usual, if that's okay?
Certainly. Go ahead
Will you give some clarity to the statement that this duality experiment is unique in the universe. A friend makes the contention that there is nothing unique in the universe and that this must therefore be quite an exciting exception.
Ah, yes, certainly. I would reply by asking your friend where he gets his belief that there is nothing unique in the universe. I would contend the very opposite. I would say that uniqueness is the norm. Even where there is an attempt to produce self-replicating systems it is so that Life seems to intervene with itself and consistently produce variation. I very firmly contend that on your planet of 6-billion or so people every single one of you are completely unique and in many more ways than you could care to imagine. You know no two fingerprints are the same and that little fact sometimes amazes you. But this is nothing. No two people have the same DNA. And did you know that no two cells in your body are identical. Now if you consider that there are many tens of trillions of cells in the average human body and you multiply that by the planet's populace you will discover there is something like a few hundred billion trillion absolutely unique cells walking around your planet in the form of human bodies. Now you might think this a large number of unique things. I contend that this is but a very small illustration of the point that uniqueness is the norm. If there were two identical souls anywhere in ALL THAT IS then one of them would be redundant. A replication of just one soul out of an infinity is already too much. But back to the question at hand. Yes, this particular duality/density experiment IS unique. Once it is done then all the souls that wished to try their hand at it would have done so. It will be over. All the knowledge and all the permutations and variations of experiences will be extracted from it. And all of that information will be known by All That Is. You see it is manifestly so that every single thing is an indivisible part of The One. So any experience you have is an experience God has AS YOU. So that experience is never squandered or lost. It is held precious and becomes available to all that have need of the learnings thus obtained. And so it is that your efforts, your mighty struggles to find love and peace in that very hard school are eternally valuable. The learnings and the wisdoms and the experiences thus obtained will for ever more be of use to all of creation. Can you see that you that dwell within the system provide a service of impossibly high value?
Wow. That's a whole lot of new thoughts for me. I appreciate your explanation.
The next question goes like this: I have heard of other planets being in the same boat as us, stuck behind a veil. Is there any truth to this?
Oh yes, indeed. Very much so. The veil is not cast over your planet alone. It is cast over a system of experience. I won't get unnecessarily technical, rather I will simply say that it is indeed cast over a wide range of planets but not equally so. Some planets have a thicker veil. Some planets have places where the veil thins slightly compared to other parts. And of course the veil is not cast equally over all densities of every planet. The lower you go down the density ladder the thicker the veil is likely to be. I will also say that there are very few places in Life's Experience where the veil is thicker than on your earth. There ARE others but to explain this will be a long technical story about space/time, time-lines and time paradoxes. I prefer not to get into that now. You [he is now talking specifically to me] have a recollection of a first incarnation into this experiential system. It was on a planet in the system of Lyra. The veil was cast over that planet too but you will recall that it was not nearly as thick as it is on earth. For example, there beings could not have imagined that death would be their end as you can on planet earth.
Cool, thank you Adamu. Next question. It goes: So if we were created by the Anunnaki, then each child born on Earth was incarnated by a soul from somewhere in the universe that chose to take part in this experience? In other words, none of us are souls that were brought into existence here on Earth?
Very difficult to answer this because it implies understandings which do not match my truth on the subject. Firstly you were not created by the Anunnaki. The human body is a construct with an incredibly complex history of creation and intervention. The word Anunnaki is a label of confusion. I prefer the term "Nibirans". You see "Anunnaki" means something like "space man". So back to the story. The Nibirans were simply one of many different groupings that have altered your bodies genomic nature. But they did not create your bodies any more than a farmer that hybridises a crop creates it. Your bodies have an underlying DNA structure that is of divine creation. It was seeded on planet earth by divine will. The many races of this experiential system have then all, in one way or another, added their bit to your DNA. You see what happens? You earth people are special in that only you contain a part of all the space races. Genetically you are the unified race of the whole system. You are the nexus... the point of convergence... the centre from where we shall find oneness. This is one of the reasons why you and your planet are so very crucial to the ascension of the system.
Oh my god! That is amazing information. Wow! I love that. Thank you.
Wait a minute there is more. I have yet to answer the rest of the question about the origin of your souls. Your friend has it right. No soul originated on planet earth. But this too is a complex question to address. For indeed where can one point to the origin of a thing that is eternal? Where is the beginning of God? Wherever that is, that too is your true beginning. Of course it is pleasant to tell stories which have a neat beginning for otherwise how will one begin the story? So we create new beginning points for ourselves all the time. You might wish to see yourself in the most limited possible light: as just that which experiences this incarnation. Well then YOU began at your birth. But did you spirit? No. It has experienced much else besides this life. Some like to think of "past lives" but that too is only an illusion as all time is one and all lives are simultaneous. Do you see the complexity? But I shall try to be a little less pedantic and I shall simply say this: every last earth human is indeed a part of some great spirit which first expressed itself out in the stars (or further beyond) before it expressed itself on earth. I, Adamu, am of the stars. You all are too. Indeed, we are actually all one. I am you and you are me, hard as that might be for you to comprehend right now.
Not an easy question then. The next one goes: Since the population is growing, who is incarnating in all these bodies? Are they other souls joining late in the experiment?
Oh yes, indeed there are. This is the culmination moment. This is the time, right now when the light dramatically rises to a peak. This is the ascension moment. Right now it is the easiest it has ever been for you to find your way to an awakening and for you to rise up out of your dreaming slumbers in density. There is no better time to have an incarnation if you wish to eventually leave the system. And, you see, everyone DOES want to leave the system eventually. So this is population explosion time. There are many other reasons too. For example: because this is the time of transition this is the time when earth people are most in need of all the extra loving guidance and assistance they can get. So beings that bear great light incarnate themselves into a life at this time to bring what they have to offer. And other beings come to learn, to see, to experience. What occurs right now on planet earth causes a flurry of excitement that ripples throughout a great swathe of creation. So there IS an influx but that is not the prime source of souls that incarnate now. Let me use an illustration. If a million souls all incarnate on a planet one hundred souls at a time then you will for a long time have a population of one hundred with a slow rotation of those in a discarnate state. Then, by reducing the rotation time you increase the population size until all one million souls are incarnated and you have a population of a million. At this point people ask "where did the extra souls come from". You see?
Good. Thank you. Last question. It goes: Given that there are an unfathomable number of spirits in the universe, you would think there would be more than a measly 6 billion spirits willing to take part in this experience, right? Is/was there a waiting line? Why are we here and not other spirits? Was there some sort of priority?
Another lovely question, I have enjoyed these. Alright: the answer is again complex. Firstly I should reiterate that your experiences are, after your ascension, available to all so it is not necessary for everyone to come here to gain the value of the experiment. Not everyone on earth needs to be a physicist for you to be able to get the value of quantum mechanics. That is the first point. The second point is that souls elsewhere conduct themselves as they see fit. They create their own realities and experiences. They do not necessarily wish to take part in this one. Thirdly, it is unarguably so that the direct experience of this system is usually quite a difficult and painful one. Not all beings wish to put themselves through this. The final point is that this system was invented, designed, created and populated by a particular group of beings. In your world we are often referred to by names such as "the shining ones" or "the Elohim" or such terms. It is from us that almost all the beings in this system spring. It is too long and complex a story to relate right now but if you understand that the Pleiadian civilisation is essentially a multiplicity that originally sprang forth from a unitary consciousness then you can begin to understand that it is so that all the space races in this system come from a small group of unitary consciousnesses. You on planet earth are almost exclusively of one or another of these groups. That is to say your spiritual beingness springs forth from the Elohim (with a small number of exceptions, of course that come from outside of this system).
And then finally: The population of your planet at your density as you may perceive it is about 6 billion. But that is only the smallest fraction of beings that are going to be experiencing the ascension process that you are now the focus of. It is almost a galactic experience rather than a planetary one. It affects discarnate spirit entities as well. It is an event which is vast in its scope beyond your wildest imaginings. Your planet is a tiny little portion of the system. It is true that your planet is the crux of the process but very far from being the only place to be a part of the process.
So to sum up: No there were no great queues to "get in" for the final act of the show. You must understand that all things are perfect. All is exactly as it should be. Exactly everyone that needed to participate on planet earth at this time is here. Not a soul too many or too few. If some being wished to participate, and it was appropriate and right that he or she should, then space would be made. So no, no queues. I hope that doesn't disappoint you or detract from how very special it is that you do what you do.
Thank you very much Adamu those were some really fascinating insights and are greatly appreciated.
I wish you well, young one. Spread you light as you go

And there it is. A bit of a marathon session. Thanks for the very cool questions anomynous. They elicited some answers that was really quite new and exciting to me. How do they work for you?


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Thanks Zingdad, I'm glad Adamu enjoyed those questions. I'm sure I'll come up with more... like right now

You don't have to channel for these if you know the answers yourself.

When Adamu said that we contain a part of all space races: Did he mean the DNA of all beings in the entire universe, or just all humanoid races in this galaxy specifically? All beings in the universe would be extremely perplexing that there is that much information packed into our bodies lol.

Here's a small one: What does Adamu mean specifically when he uses the term system? Solar system, galaxy, universe... ?

Cool. Let's give them a go. I'll start with the last question first. Adamu talks about an "experiential system" quite often. I have previously asked him about this and got a very long explanation. I'll summarise. First an analogy:
It is break time at school. A group of 12 friends decide to go out onto the playground and play a complicated ball-game. The game is closed to only the 12 of them and no others may join. There are other children all round them on the playground and the ball gets tossed between the others and sometimes even bounced off them but the game only actually involves the original 12. Our experiential system is like that. There were (I believe) 12 Elohim that created the space races that are pertinent to us. These are the space races that play the same game. There are other consciousnesses that we are peripherally aware of or that play some role but they are not "people" as we would think of them. Gaia, the stars, the galaxies, water, the veil... there are many things which are of consciousness which we may be aware of but do not play quite the same game we do. Then there are a VERY many more beings of consciousness which are totally irrelevant to our game. We don't even perceive their existence. Given that space and time are illusions it is so that REALLY everything is HERE right NOW. But of course that is not how we perceive it because of the rules of the game and because most of the other children on the playground are not in the game. Not in the same "experiential system" as us. Those that ARE in the same game are a relatively small number of space races that reside on - I'm guessing - a few hundred planets in our galaxy. The races are (I believe) from 12 root races but there are other ways to look at it such that there are really 6 or 3 or 1 root races. But that is confusing and I don't wish to go into that mainly because I don't QUITE get this yet myself.

Now that I've shared that understanding it is much easier to get to the first question. "We contain a part of all space races". Okay. Not really ALL space races only those within our same "experiential system". You are quite right - if we contained a bit of every space race everywhere in the whole universe I think we'd be some completely mad mix of things. No... we are just the intersection of the 12 that originally began here. Or more correctly, I think we, the 12th race, are the culmination and intersection of the other 11. I think it is so in a number of ways. DNA is the one way but there are others. For example I know that this very forum has amongst its membership people who fervently believe that they are spiritually and reincarnationally Pleiadian, Sirian, Anunnaki, Draco Reptoid or Orionian. And that's just those that I know of and just on this board. See where I'm going? I suggest that the people of planet earth, whether they know it or not, are all of one or another space race originally and they inhabit bodies that are a hybrid of space-race bodies. This really does make us the cosmic melting pot and unity point of that which is "out there" in our experiential system.

Make sense?


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Yes that does make sense, but now I have more questions. There are so many things I want to know lol. Tell me if this barrage of questions becomes overbearing.

Who were we before this recess into physicality?

If the purpose of us being on Earth was the for the veil experience, why were the other races in this galaxy created?

What do you know about other alien races outside of this galaxy and the intergalactic union?

Have you ever asked to meet Adamu in person? I'm sure it would probably be a much different experience.


P.S. Sorry for getting off-topic but I just read this:

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THEY ALSO SAID THE REAL STORY OF WHY WE ARE IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN IS NOT ABOUT OIL, IT IS ABOUT THE STARGATES!

THESE ARE ACTUAL GATES THAT ARE IMPRINTED INTO THE FLOORS OF THE ZIGGURATS. THEY ARE A SERIES OF CONCENTRIC CIRCLES THAT HAVE CUNIFORM SYMBOLS IN THEM. IN ORDER TO ACTIVATE THEM, YOU MUST TOUCH THE SYMBOLS AND BE IN A STATE OF ONENESS... THEN THEY OPEN UP AND YOU CAN TRAVEL AROUND THE UNIVERSE!

Is this true and do these stargates really exist?

Anonymous could you please cite the source for the above quote...thank-you FD


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Anonymous could you please cite the source for the above quote...thank-you FD

Read it here:

Galacticfriends

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Hey anomynous

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Tell me if this barrage of questions becomes overbearing.

No sweat, friend, I'm finding it as fascinating as you are, I'm sure. I like the way you think and your questions are good ones. It has lead to me getting info that has been quite new for me. So all good. If I run out of time then things stall a bit. If I lose interest I'll simply say so. "till then I guess we're bothing having fun and Adamu is a total sport about all this. So to the questions!...

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Who were we before this recess into physicality?

Adamu: Young friend, there is no single answer to that question when taken in its immediate context. I can say that you were beings of light before you began to choose a density experience. But that is only partially true for, indeed, you are STILL those beings of light you just no longer remember this. You imagine that you are somehow ONLY that which is physical... which is densified. It is not really so. But in the context of the illusion of a linear time flow then, yes, you were light beings that reside outside of time and space and matter constructs. Most of you were rays of the Elohim, some of you were other beings entirely. I hope that serves as an answer.

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If the purpose of us being on Earth was the for the veil experience, why were the other races in this galaxy created?

Adamu: this question is a little confused. Too many concepts fused into one thought. Your purpose is your own. You have come to earth to experience it as IT is. Other planets offer other experiences. There are shades of density and varying thicknesses of veiling. There are myriad other social structures. There are varying amounts of light (from a spiritual and metaphysical context) and then of course there are different biological constructs into which one may incarnate. It is a terribly complex subject. It's a bit like asking "what does it say on the internet?" There is no real answer. The internet says entirely different things to different people because they are approaching it differently. And so it is for all life in this galaxy. Each and every individual being is gaining an individual experience for its own individual purpose. So there is no answer in the specific. In the broadest context it is easy: all life exists to experience itself. So I can say to you that you are here to see what it is like to be here. It sounds mundane to put it like this but that is the simple truth. Or possibly I should rephrase it thus: you are here to see how you would respond to being here. More than that I cannot say. It is all up to individual experience.

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What do you know about other alien races outside of this galaxy and the intergalactic union?

Adamu: I know of an unfathomable unending complexity of life in mind-boggling variation. I know that I have looked and yet have not scratched the surface of what may yet be explored. The range of experience of life is quite simply staggering. There are races that are life which in many ways will look familiar to you and there are races of life which you would pass by and never know you had encountered each other. Life is everywhere. There is a great deal of contact between the Galactic Federation and certain races of other galaxies. There are many which are of a mind-set that is congruent with ours. We have forged ties in such instances and share ideas and information.

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Have you ever asked to meet Adamu in person? I'm sure it would probably be a much different experience.

Zingdad: yeah, I have. A little history: Adamu is an old friend of mine. My first incarnation in this system was on a planet where he was incarnated. They didn't have the same family structures we do. He was (the closest analogy) my adoptive father. Like a real father in every way except biologically. I remember him well from then and hold a great love for him. From my perspective I lost touch with him for a few lives and then remembered him again in this one. I re-established contact via this telepathic thing that I do... this channelling thing.
I have asked him for a direct physical meeting (again) and he has promised that I will have one. The time is not right yet. It is not in accordance with my own stated purpose or my own highest good that I receive THAT level of direct intervention before it is time. It rather profoundly changes someone for them to be taken up into a spaceship to meet the occupants. I have work to do before it is in the best interests of my purpose to expose myself to that. The last vestiges of doubt still serve me. It keeps me in service and keeps me "relating" to life here. So that's me. From Adamu's side they too do not wish to push the boundaries on the non-intervention codes at this point. So... soon. I shall wait.

Then your final question:

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Is this true and do these stargates really exist?

I had a whole long conversation with Adamu about this. I don't mind telling you it threw me for a loop (as you shall see). I derived info that seemed way "out there". I felt some confusion and doubt because the answers I was getting just seemed really odd to me and I had no "inner truth" on this what-so-ever. So, to get another perspective on this I first mailed this to my dear friends AnnuMella and Opalescent. The responses I received from them were that this was stuff they had resonance over and Opalescent even sent me some links to similar stuff elsewhere (which I haven't had time to follow up on but shall share anyway in case you feel a desire to go plumbing these depths). The bottom line is I am stating up front that I don't know about this. I "got it" the same way I received the other material but it is so way off the beaten track for me that I just don't know about it. I share it because the other option is for me to begin censoring what comes through my channellings of Adamu (which opens another whole can of worms for me). So, make of it what you will. You can decide if you think its true or not. I don't know.

(channelled conversation to follow...)


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double post. Sorry. I guess I liked it so much I had to say it twice!


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(...channelled conversation with Adamu)


Hello Adamu. May I ask you a question about stargates?
Hello young friend. Yes. You seem to have a penchant of late for interesting and complex questions
:-) Blame my friend anomynous.
A good question is a wonderful thing for which your friend can happily take blame then.
So to the issue of stargates. I take it they do exist?
Most certainly though it is one word which refers to many different things. It implies essentially a portal through which one may travel in order to avoid a far more onerous route of travel. Like being able to walk through a doorway that takes you from your living room to your office thereby avoiding the traffic. Just on a much larger scale.
Okay, the question was specifically about stargates in Iraq.
Ah those. I do not have first-hand knowledge of them. I mean they are not of Pleiadian construction. But I shall offer what I believe about them. The first thing is they are not true stargates. Think about the word STAR-gate. These are found inside stars. You have not the concepts in your mind of the physics involved so I will not be able to tell the story effectively but, essentially, a certain type of ship would fly into a star – like your sun – and in that way be able to navigate out of a different sun in a different system. Particular stars are linked to each other in this way. What is in Iraq, I believe, is more of a dimensional portal. There are a few of these dotted around the planet but there is a preponderance of them in Iraq, it is true.
So could you go to another planet through them.
Not directly, no. You could go to the parallel geographic location on your planet but at a different density. From there it is likely that you will, at that subtler density, be able to navigate to a different planet with greater ease that you might from your current density.
So what about the contention that one can go there now and activate them.
With great difficulty, I suspect. I reiterate that these are not Pleiadian and so I can’t know with absolute surety. But we are aware of them and have expended some effort in understanding them. So I speak under correction but with some degree of comfort that I am right. My current belief is that these are triggered by the positioning of the planet. If you understand that time (as you calculate it) is a function of your planets movement through space then one can say these are like a bank vault door that will only open a certain specific times. We expect them to be openable at a particular time in the near future. Would you care to hazard a guess when?
Not 2012, by any chance.
Close. Yes. Very soon before then.
So why?
To allow access of certain beings that are currently residing at a higher dimension.
Okay. Not Pleiadians, obviously. I’m guessing also not anyone from the Galactic Federation or you’d have more certainty. So I’m guessing this will be for the use of forces antagonistic to the Galactic Federation?
You should have been a detective <smiles>.
This is crazy? You mean enemy forces will spill from the earth in these places? This sounds like some wild Armageddon prophecy!
Funny that.
You’re serious?
You may wish to read up on your aforementioned “Armageddon prophecy” and try to substitute the word “enemy forces” for the word “demons”.
No!
Okay, this is getting a little too weird for me. I know I am channelling this but I can’t really believe what is going down here.
So you want all the information you receive to conform to what you already know or believe?
Uh. I’m going to end this channeling now. I see your point but this is just off the radar for me. Demons coming up from the ground to fight Armageddon is a bit far from the usual “we are all one” stuff that resonates more for me.
The label “demon” is not of my choosing and I would not use it but it is the one you’ll find in the relevant prophecy. That’s the only reason I use it. You see, it is so that this system is a duality system. Duality. Two sides. We are the one side and there is another. Now, ancient writers characterized us as denizens of heaven. Creatures of the light. And how else do you refer to a being which is outside of space and time and appears to you with a body constructed of pure light? Higher dimensional beings become more spirit than matter and eventually are pure light. You see? Some called us “angels”. The enemy, on the other hand, are of a lower vibration and are more physical, just as you currently are. And their appearance to your eyes can be more than a little frightening. Some called them “demons”. Maybe the pieces fall together for you now?
I don’t know. I’m not comfortable with this.
That is fine. Let it percolate.
Alright then let me ask this. If these scary looking enemy guys are going to come flooding into the world though these doors in the Middle East… what part of that should not induce fear. I mean you have told me on numerous occasions that there is nothing to fear.
And there is still nothing to fear. This occurrence is to take place in a geographically restricted area. It is foreordained. Have I not also told you that you get the reality that you create for yourself?
Yes but…
…well what are we to do with all the many beings that are hell-bent on having a “fight to the death”. If that is their choice then they have the right to experience the outcome of the reality that they create for themselves. It will not impact the lives of those that choose love. You may, if you are still on the planet at that time doing love-based service, be aware that it is occurring elsewhere but it will not be your experience unless you desire this for yourself. It is manifestly so that there is a not-insignificant portion of certain societies that wish an Armageddon battle. They will simply not be happy to suddenly move to a position of love and forgiveness of “the enemy”. So they will get their choice. It is an odd thing but the combatants on all sides (for there will be more than two sides) are all essentially making the same choices. They are choosing for anger, hatred and destruction. And, as I have said, they will get what they have chosen. Unless they chose something else between now and then.
But now you talk of humans. Where do the so-called demons come in?
There is not nearly the difference that you currently suppose there is between humans and “other” races. All beings are of consciousness. Some consciousness finds expression in lives in the lower densities. Some of the lives in the lower densities find they wish to expend themselves in a great fight. Almost without exception all sides believe they will be fighting a holy battle. Or at least a noble war. Some of the combatants will be human. Some will be reptilian. Some will be yet other races. Some will be residents of planet earth. Some will be from elsewhere.
Ah. So the so-called demons are reptilians?
Yes.
From Alpha Draconis?
No. From earth. Or at least as much from earth as humanity is. They have resided on your planet in one density or another for far longer than your current form of humanity has. They consider themselves the true “earthlings” and your mammalian form to be a Johnny-come-lately usurper. They wish to finally get rid of the usurper and take back what is theirs. The human combatants will see them as inherently evil – and hence the “demon” appellation. It is possible that the human forces will unite against a perceived common enemy or maybe there age old internecine hatreds will be too strong for this.
Unless someone lobs a nuclear device into the fray and ends all of it.
No. Those kinds of weapons will not work at that time. There will be electro-magnetic interference. Electronic equipment will be wholly unreliable.
So essentially an infantry blood-bath.
That is what will play out on the ground. But there will be other conflicts which will not occur on planet earth and need not concern you at all. One might say there will be a localized Armageddon battle on earth and another war in the heavens.
Okay, again I am feeling a little uncomfortable with this. Please don’t take offence that I terminate the channelling now. I need to think on this. Maybe get some second opinions just to make sure I’m not distorting this channelling.
The questions were yours and the answers were the best I had to give. I offer you only my love. But I understand completely and no offence is taken.
Thank you Adamu.
You are welcome. Keep spreading your light my young friend.


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(whew!)

... and now those links I promised which come to you by kind courtesy of Opalescent:

David Wilcock: Jumproom to Mars: ProjectCamelot

Dan Burisch on Stargate Secrets:
ProjectCamelot

David Wilcock, 2012 Enigma:
Video

and there it is. Now I shall rest my typing fingers. Until next time.

Edited to shrink links. SS


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WoW...that was a really intense chanelling ZingDad... No offence meant to you but that is the first of your channellings (that I have read)that I could REALLY relate too and rang true for me...it was along the lines of study that I have been doing for quite sometime...in fact the last couple weeks I have been studying some of the materials you posted!...thank you for sharing! A belief i have had is that there are a lot of light workers whos specific jobs will be to help the peoples who will be engaged in this event so even though they 'choose love' they will be engaged somewhat in this battle.....another thought i have about this is...what happens to 'one' of us happens to the 'whole'! there really is no seperation of realities...just mindsets/perspectives....
with peace , FD


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When one tugs at a single thing in nature, he finds it attached to the rest of the world.

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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

I trusted your channellings before, but after this one, I trust them 100%. I think you are doing a great job with the channelling, after time the information so often slowly distorts according to the will of the human involved, and I honestly don't think you've done that, despite asking several questions over the last months that your ego could've chosen to distort. Your discomfort shown in the material is a good sign- honestly, you're the first person i've met who's released channeled information even if they don't feel comfortable with it. Maybe it's where I live, maybe my area is full of these people who refuse to give the full message, or the message in all it's truth, or the full message despite not feeling power over the end answer. I don't know. But you've done that- you've expressed discomfort and uncertainty and yet delivered the message intended. Maybe some channellers don't expect to learn from those they speak to, like you do? I'm not sure. Whatever the situation seems to be, Thank you for the honesty and truth, and the valuable information. Thank you.

I don't have any particular opinion of your most recent conversation with Adamu, all I choose to do with information like this is store it and let it pop up when it's time to. However, it seems to fit in of my recent sight of the short term future (1-3 years I guess) of humanity. Also, thank you for the information about Star Gates. I knew about dimensional portals and such like, but never found out what star gates actually were, despite hearing of them for years now. I don't have any questions for Adamu, but I would request that next time you speak, please make some space for both of you to feel the thanks and love sent from us here at BoT. You've both shared so much and taken your time and energy to do this for us. So take some time to recieve some energy back from the ones who want to thank you .

Now to go back and read the rest of this post ^_^ sounds like there's a lot of conversation i've missed. I have to take BoT off my google reader and come back to the site proper- i've missed too much!

Very interesting stuff Zingdad.

I have come across this info on Reptilians before in the Alex Collier 1994 interview. He said they have been living underground on Earth for MUCH longer than us. I think it was in this interview that he said Reptilians are very ritualistic and have been sending more of themselves over to Earth every 13 years since 1947 (1947 is a coincidence? probably not, right?).

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2012

Maybe they're preparing for this battle? Personally, I plan on staying out of that mess. Alex Collier says they're over 12 feet tall, stronger than 10 men, and are highly telepathic so they know exactly what you are going to do way before you do it. Trying to fight that would be next to impossible.

I would like to hear more about the battle in the heavens if that is possible.

Since Earth is going to be turned into a paradise, that means that this battle won't last long, correct? If this battle will take place shortly before 2012, and Earth will be transformed in 2012, then there is some inevitable end to this battle that Adamu must know about.

Do the Reptilians know about this?

If they do then they must know that this battle is temporary, but then why would they participate? Just for sport killing? Or are they so stubborn that they will resist Earth's transformation even though it is now inevitable?

What role will the GF play in this battle? Obviously they do have the power to contain the Reptilians, correct?


Some much lighter side notes:

In one of Annumella's channelings, she mentions that life evolves depending on the time it takes for the inhabited planet to revolve around the sun. Someone also mentioned in that thread that a Nibiran son stayed on Earth for one of Nibiru's revolutions and when they came back he was aged more than his father. What about beings who live on ships out in space? At what rate do they age if they're just traveling through space?

Is there a designated meeting place for the GF? Is it a planet in our galaxy or a ship?


P.S. Zingdad I have many more questions which I have posted in Annumella's most recent channeling in the ET section, but they're not profound or relevant to this topic. They're personal questions about other human ETs that is purely curiosity. I wouldn't want to distract the thread or offend you by asking them so if you happen to wander over to her thread and have some of the same questions, maybe you can PM some answers to me.

As always I appreciate you taking the time to feed my brain lol. It's exciting for me that both you and Adamu find my questions interesting.

Well me and Mitzy's conversations are gone, but at least the rest of the thread isn't. Thank God!

Wow, thanks for the words of encouragement Faeriedragon and Dollhouse. Much appreciated. And yeah, Dollhouse, we don't see nearly enough of you around here!

FD, what you say about the experience of the one being the experience of the All is of course spot on. If there is going to be this huge bloodbath then it is all of our bloodbath. I am absolutely convinced you must be right - many beings of light will be there at the battle. They will not be there for the carnage though, they will be there to serve the All in whatever way is required.
I guess some people are spoiling for a fight with "the enemy" and will not be able to leave this density in a peaceful and loving way. I have since that channelling done some meditation about this and come to understand that this whole event is referred to in the higher realms as "the cleansing". You see this duality experience allows for the creation of much hatred. Old instinctive hatreds die hard. Through such a great battle, it seems, somehow some of those energies of hatred are burned off. Some sort of a cosmic catharsis, possibly. So anyway it seems the whole Armageddon thing serves a valuable purpose in allowing for healing and unity afterwards. Or so I now understand.

Anomynous you asked about some questions that y