don't know if this is a real newbie question, (please excuse me if it is).. but why does so much stuff point to 2012...i mean across lots of 'groups' or 'sects' or whatever... why 2012?

http://www.2012predictions.net/newage.htm

There are many links online to this concept. A Google will bring them up.
Most of this started with the Mayan predictions (of a possible global change) and their calendar ending at Dec 21 2012 which was discoverd by archaeologists in the past.
Since the early 70's it has become a new age fascination with many.

That Mayan connection was the first thing I heard about this and thought, "Well, they had to stop writing at SOME point!!"...but, well now I guess I've fallen in the bag with all the other nuts!

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That Mayan connection was the first thing I heard about this and thought, "Well, they had to stop writing at SOME point!!"...but, well now I guess I've fallen in the bag with all the other nuts!

Well...I'm not sure it's nutty to think that a global change is coming. Humans are due for some paradigm shifts. But will it happen suddenly in 2012 and what will it be are the big questions.

Yes, it is a big 'IF' as so many doom days have come and gone, but things sure can't keep going as is. A change might be nice.


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Hi jjfeat! Nice to meet you!

Here are my thoughts on this..

2012 may be just a date...or it may have far greater true meaning..

We do not know for sure, BUT if there are events on the horizon..we will know before 2012.

The Mayans were a very smart race..they were far from being the ignorant crowd that seems to dominate this planet now...My point being..I don't think they just decided to end it there..for no reason..the calendar was VERY accurate..and...as I said..the Mayans were above average intelligent.

There seems to be many things tied into 2012...and some do seem to involve ET.

Time will reveal all that has been kept from us..

A thought I have had..several times is..
What would cause the American government to spend money that will NEVER be repaid..It's impossible..according to numbers..Anyway...THAT in itself says ...something big is coming..and well...spend if you got..even if you don't.. They are...NOW..Why would that be?

I have my own personal feelings about..the time of 2012 or there about..IMO it will be the biggest..most important event of mankind's history...and..to put it mildly everyone's way of thinking will change after that..every body's....For me..from what I have seen and experienced.. I also know....that it will be ET..that will play a key role in this event..

Anyway..that's my


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im with kira on this one. i mean there are so many apparent doomsdays, or days of significane (however you choose to refer to them).

i'm really interested in all this (well my main interest lies in the gruop - the weavers)... but as a side thing i want to understand why everything (apparently) is linked to 2012.

i'm going to do a bit of readnig around...


thanks too for your thoughts, entity... i'll read up no the mayans too.

As far as I can see 2012 is just another date on the calendar. I think the weavers have chosen this as it has some significance to other groups but can't see why else they've gone for this specific date.

Well mate, some voice, that of a man, told me "4 more years", so I researched it, came across the 2012 prophecies. That doesn't necessarily mean any of the 2012 stuff is true, it simply means something quite different may happen to me in 2012. Well ill have to wait and see. It could have also been away of someone flicking me back on the spiritual path, who knows.

...Why has the resident 2012 guru Zingdad not jumped into this thread?

Computer Software Says Armageddon Will Arrive in 2012:
5/1/08

Those who believe that Armageddon is a matter of only four years, finally have their fears confirmed. The Web Bot Project, a system used to predict financial trends, warns that a "worldwide calamity" is in store for 2012.

The Web Bot Project was established in the early 1990s and has been greatly developed within the rapid spread of the Internet at the onset of the twenty-first century. One of the project's main advantages is its simplicity: a programmer composes a set of words or phrases such as "crisis" or "stocks," which are later searched for on the Internet. Whenever one is traced, the system copies it and sends to the server where the word is described and explained by specialists.

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Personally aside from possible solar and earth changes, I think a lot of it is part of a MARKETING ploy. Both for positive purposes of consciousness, and negative purposes of manipulation of consciousness.

Major things will probably happen between now and 2012, undoubtedly, but even if it isn't the "be all end all", with every passing year beyond 2012, I think things will only continually speed up and get worse, if we don't take some pretty drastic measures NOW to ensure that the "blood-drinking, shape-shifting, Illuminati Reptoids" don't get to have their way with the next generation.

Not to sound melodramatic, but 2012 is a "battleground" as well as a "state of mind". It will be what you make of it, and the fight is for yesterday, tomorrow, and now.

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There seems to be many things tied into 2012...and some do seem to involve ET.

If I had to go with something "ET" I would opt for an interdimensional connection, not necessarily physical, but still able to somewhat manipulate things on our material dimension. But it's quite possible these are all manifestations of a shared psychological astral plane.



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that's the first i've heard of the webbot project... its like y2k but not... but is.

on the relevance of the date... the only bit connecting weavers with 2012 is in that piece of film thats floating about. there no other mention of it elsewhere fmo what i see

ThothMosesIII wrote:

Computer Software Says Armageddon Will Arrive in 2012:
5/1/08

Those who believe that Armageddon is a matter of only four years, finally have their fears confirmed. The Web Bot Project, a system used to predict financial trends, warns that a "worldwide calamity" is in store for 2012.

The Web Bot Project was established in the early 1990s and has been greatly developed within the rapid spread of the Internet at the onset of the twenty-first century. One of the project's main advantages is its simplicity: a programmer composes a set of words or phrases such as "crisis" or "stocks," which are later searched for on the Internet. Whenever one is traced, the system copies it and sends to the server where the word is described and explained by specialists.

I personally believe that 21 Dec 2012 holds a lot in store for us, it heralds the end of the age of Pisces and the beginning of the age Aquarius.

I also belive that it is the end times the Bible talks about, but will not happen as described in the Bible ............ it is the end of the world as we know it and not the end of the world as in there will be no more world.

What does scare me is that the PTB will hijack this event/phenomenon to their own evil agenda and perhaps engineer a few happenings of their own to co-incidentally happen at the same time .............. and ThothMoses' post above kinda confirms this

Graham


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Graham wrote:

What does scare me is that the PTB will hijack this event/phenomenon to their own evil agenda and perhaps engineer a few happenings of their own to co-incidentally happen at the same time .............. and ThothMoses' post above kinda confirms this

Graham

Hey Graham

I can't subscribe to that.

Everything I feel in my gut says that this is a time of change. It seems to me to have been planned for so long and the beings that planned it are not going to let it slide. The planet is in chaos, the North Atlantic Current is shutting down, which has dire consequences for us all.

People are waking up on a large scale as to how they have been manipulated for so long. The current situation just can't continue for much longer. I think the PTB will be forced to surrender either by external forces or by the rising voice of humanity which will reach fever pitch in a matter of years.

Just my 2 cents worth.


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Hey Buddy !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Graham wrote:

What does scare me is that the PTB will hijack this event/phenomenon to their own evil agenda and perhaps engineer a few happenings of their own to co-incidentally happen at the same time .............. and ThothMoses' post above kinda confirms this

Graham

Hey Graham

I can't subscribe to that.

Everything I feel in my gut says that this is a time of change. It seems to me to have been planned for so long and the beings that planned it are not going to let it slide. The planet is in chaos, the North Atlantic Current is shutting down, which has dire consequences for us all.

People are waking up on a large scale as to how they have been manipulated for so long. The current situation just can't continue for much longer. I think the PTB will be forced to surrender either by external forces or by the rising voice of humanity which will reach fever pitch in a matter of years.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Your point taken and understood .......... and I sincerely hope you are right.

Why I have said what I have said is that I cannot see those @#$%^&*'s just sitting back and at least not trying to hijack 21 Dec 2012 and use it to further their nasty deeds.

I really hope and pray that you are right and I am wrong.

PS ............. do you mean it could be the end of the Pope

Graham


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thats really interesting graham. i mean.. if something does ahppen, then its almost perfect cover for anyone else to do stuff and claim cooincidence.. do you think itll be groups like the maons, weavers etc?

Graham wrote:

I personally believe that 21 Dec 2012 holds a lot in store for us, it heralds the end of the age of Pisces and the beginning of the age Aquarius.


Graham

Do we know this for a fact? Because I have tried to research this and from what I have found some people say it will occur on this date and other astronomers say that they do not know an exact date but it will likely occur before 2050. Because there are these contradictions I have a hard time believing most of the 2012 stories because there are so many different stories that can possibly occur on this date. Is it going to be ET's, solar cycle, planet x, armageddon...which one is it or is it none of it and 12/21/12 at 11:11 am will just be another day? I guess we just have to wait.

I think the actual date and time are not meant to be exact and specific.

I would say that by that date, or somewhere close, certain changes will have taken place and be obvious to everyone on the planet. These changes will not be one event but more a series of events that may at first seem un related but time will show that they are in fact related. A paradigm shift such as what we are going to experience can't be done in a single instantaneous act.

That is my take on it anyhow.


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Hey Graham! Good to see you again!

You know..I do think you are right..about other powers taking advantage of the situation to try to manipulate it, to benefit themselves..

Part of what I do know about 2012 ..what is inside me..and I have stated this a few times....is..There are lies..now...but deceit WILL run rampant even more...when the event draws more near..We will be surrounded with lies..
I feel that is part of the reason..it is important to uncover the full truth..right now..while we still can take time to try to figure it all out.

I hope you stick around for a while Graham..I have always thought of you as one of the permanent fixtures here.


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Hi entity ...... thanks for the cool welcome !

entity wrote:

Hey Graham! Good to see you again!

I hope you stick around for a while Graham..I have always thought of you as one of the permanent fixtures here.

AJ ........ I agree that there is no proof, but it all seems to point to this time, so lets sit tight and see ...........


Hi jjfeat

Firstly, I wouldn't put anything past these people, look what they have done to the world already. They care only for their own selfish needs and agendas. That is why I believe they will attempt to use the occasion as a convienient cover. Whether they are able to or not I do not know, but they gonna try

Secondly, I personally feel that the Masons, CFR, Bilderbergers etc and Vatican (Roman Church) are pawns in the hands of a stronger group than they themselves are, ie The Great White Brotherhood ................... and that these people have editted and manipulated the Bible to serve their agenda shamelesly. They have manipulated it to the exrtent that people are expecting certain prophecies to come true around about now and they could use 21 Dec 2012 as a perfect cover for these prophecies to "come true".

If they could engineer certain prophecies to come true at this time, the timing would "legitimise" them as they were prophesied in the Bible, and the Bible is seen as the un-erring word of God.

You see where I am going with this ...........

I personally believe that the prophecies were made for the time in which they were made, ie they were made and were to be fulfilled during the prophesier's lifetime, but they have manipulated to appear to be prophecies that are to come to fulfilment in our lifetime.

I must contradict myself to a certain extent here here and say that I do believe that a "Rapture" will take place at this time as well, but once again not in the (harsh fire and brimstone) literal manner Christianity puts it


Graham


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Nice to see you back Graham!

entity wrote:

Hi jjfeat! Nice to meet you!

Here are my thoughts on this..

2012 may be just a date...or it may have far greater true meaning..

We do not know for sure, BUT if there are events on the horizon..we will know before 2012.

The Mayans were a very smart race..they were far from being the ignorant crowd that seems to dominate this planet now...My point being..I don't think they just decided to end it there..for no reason..the calendar was VERY accurate..and...as I said..the Mayans were above average intelligent.

There seems to be many things tied into 2012...and some do seem to involve ET.

Time will reveal all that has been kept from us..

A thought I have had..several times is..
What would cause the American government to spend money that will NEVER be repaid..It's impossible..according to numbers..Anyway...THAT in itself says ...something big is coming..and well...spend if you got..even if you don't.. They are...NOW..Why would that be?

I have my own personal feelings about..the time of 2012 or there about..IMO it will be the biggest..most important event of mankind's history...and..to put it mildly everyone's way of thinking will change after that..every body's....For me..from what I have seen and experienced.. I also know....that it will be ET..that will play a key role in this event..

Anyway..that's my

Hi JJ , Aj and Graham... !

I hope it is ok at this point to add my thoughts too....

Im pretty much with Entity on this one....

I believe some on the concern and build up of interest in the Mayan predictions around 2012 , and I believe it is the age of a new dawn , as the mayans see it as the end of the 5th cycle, that lasts for 13 years and started in 1999.

It certainly feels that way for me , and of those I speak to , many say they have an increased sense of expectancy , have restarted their interest in spirituality , and feel a form of foreboding building in intensity...
Interpretation of the Mayan writings describes how the sixth phase is the ** blank phase** , it is thought to describe how a bolt of energy from the universe will boost the sun and the solar system to an extent that it will alter our earth pulse , and speed time and thought and consciousness up to an elevated position.

It is my belief that those who choose to work with this , adapt and act proactively are thought to ascend to a newer higher level. An increased awareness of how powerful and yet so powerless we all are in each others lives.
Those who choose to fight , and destroy and plunder are thought to ultimately perish....

We will lose previously worshipped false gods ( money ? ) and will hopefully revert to a more peacful , loving way of living.... but this will only been after an intense but short lived cataclystic possibly devastating period of time....

I am of the opinion that this will be extra- terrestrial , whether it be a life force based surge of energy or contact , or maybe a Universally created occurance... though i think it will synchronistically occur with an increase in the efforts of some to ascend in their spirituality and consciousness... with the two combined creating a combination of awesome power and change.

I also think that certain organisations are terrified of these possibilities and so are trying on the one hand to determine and control the outcome , whilst at the same time , trying to deflect people my trying to rule with fear.
I am of the opinion that we could soon see , in the next 12 months , a faked situation by an existing superpower which will involve a threat from ET's as the reason to assimilate new organisations supposedly to protect us globally but in reality will be working to protect its country's people only and will be used to wage war against other recently emerging **powers to be ** as opposed to those **that be**
OOps... sorry to rattle on... just my two cents !


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OOps... sorry to rattle on... just my two cents !

Those very 2 cents bought volumes of realistic thought newbs....


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What does anyone else feel is or isnt going to happen 2012?


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Hey Newbs !!!!!!!

Pleased to meet you

Newbs wrote:

It is my belief that those who choose to work with this , adapt and act proactively are thought to ascend to a newer higher level. An increased awareness of how powerful and yet so powerless we all are in each others lives.

We will lose previously worshipped false gods ( money ? ) and will hopefully revert to a more peacful , loving way of living.... but this will only been after an intense but short lived cataclystic possibly devastating period of time....

If that be a rattle .......... RATTLE ON

Great post !!!

Agree with you BIG TIME.
And that is the "Rapture" I refer to .......... all those ready, able and willing (mature ?) will be lifted (Raptured) to a higher spiritual level of awareness ......... those that do not believe and are not willing will "be left behind". Sort of like the Biblical prophecy but not as (harshly/litterally) described therein.

As for the money issue ......... I believe that to a certain extent we are forced to worship money. The guys that run the world have manipulated the system so that one can hardly be part of it unless you get "dependant on their money".

Unless you play their game you get thrown out and cannot buy food and have some kind of shelter because you need to pay for these things ....... and in this way one is forced into their game and in this way we and our actions are controlled by them .......... I mean if they want to curb our spending power they simply raise interest rates, raise inflation, get a reccession/depression going ......... this seriously and effectively diminishes your spending power.

It has always been said that "money is the root of all evil" ............ perhaps it should be changed to "the LACK of money is the root of all evil"

Hey Newbs ....... now how is that for rattling on ........ with a conspiratorial twist added

Just my 2 cents ......... if you'll excuse the pun

Graham



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Hi Graham ! too .. .good stuff !
Thanks , I agree here with you too , so rant away !
.... was it Ford ? who quoted that he would start a new concept of control .... by having a mass produced commodity that meant his workers worked hard for cash , building his cars in the factory , in order to be able to buy said car , to own one outright , to travel to work to build cars for others to own to travel to work.... etc etc

I think we have lost track , to an extent , of how we really are ... we are so dependant on money , and money is a promise , that is all it is .... and we trade promises with others ... . I mean how, not who, ( though that also figures ) but we lose sight of just how controlled we are .
And if you occupy peoples wakened time enough , so they need to work simply to maintain themselves , feed their family , then they are not able to think for any great time span about changing their approach or changing their outlook , or finding an alternative to this said work as they are too tired, drained , preoccupied , responsible for dependants , or tied in financially to change . Control !

BUT..... people still think on , only their consciousness comes through in dreams, and in intuition , premonitions , and in synchronicity so they become drawn to others . The higher ascended mind still shines through , and looks to strengthen itself....

oh lordy , here I go again ! ....


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Hi guys, seems to have moved into something really interesting.

I’ve not heard of group slike the masons, weavers, CFR, Vatican etc being part of a bigger thing… but I think that as im still earning and quite new to this stuff.

To be honest, im not sure what to make of it all – I cant say that I agree a rapture will take place. I do find it interesting that a lot of stuff does point to the same date…

Really interesting to hear your views though! Thanks graham…


Hey newbs… this mayan thing is a thing that I see keeps coming up all the tie. Interesting thought on those with them moving on to another level.


I still think the most interesting/wieredst thing that oculd happen is that amonst all the confusion and speculation… some real life group or organization uses it as a cover to do something big.

hi jj

Yes, I agree someone or group of people could use it as cover.....and I think it could be a governmental control thing too .
Why ? as cover to recapture their control over certain resources such as oil.
They think that they are acting for the greater good , to protect industry , commerce , the common man. Maybe they wont need to fake the contact with an extraterrestrial.... maybe that will happen for real?

As far as the terrorist issue is concerned , maybe they will use it to exacerbate the situation for their own aims....??



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Graham wrote:

It has always been said that "money is the root of all evil"

Just to digress slightly Graham...

I think the saying originated in the New Testament.as “For the love of money is the root of all evil.”

I think the root of most evil is man’s desire for status; either greed to increase one’s status, or jealousy over losing in the status game to others. Money is just one way of keeping score.. Blaming money for evil is a bit like blaming the scoreboard when your team loses...

Sorry..carry on...great thread...


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