The alternate American currency?http://www.libertydollar.org/

Have any of our member's used this alternative?A large amount of precious metal's in the form of Liberty Dollar's have been siezed by the FBI.Though meeting all the legal aspects the the Liberty Dollar's are now in the hand's of the U.S. Government.

Off to research this a little more,I don't really have the big picture yet.Shed some light if you can.

Many thank's,Daddio.


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The Liberty Dollar and other precious-metal mintings distributed by NORFED, Inc., dba the Liberty Dollar, never have claimed to be, do not claim to be, are not, and do not purport to be, legal tender, or a coin.

The noun currency has many dictionary definitions - for example, without limitation, "that which is current as a medium of exchange[,]" "circulation as a medium of exchange[,]" "a common article for bartering[.]" In the sense that currency may be used to refer to the coinage of a government the Liberty Dollar never has claimed to be, does not claim to be, is not, and does not purport to be, currency.


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they minted ron paul dollars, which were seized by the fbi.
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This is funny:

http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/spend-liberty-dollars/howtospend.htm

i saw somewhere, not sure where now- some conspiracy website
but that the new north american currancy "ameroes" is already been printed- coins and bills
someone in the mint smuggled some of the new coins out, and they were displayed on the website

shows those canadian, american and mexican money is not long going to see the garbage can

I support this in theory, but don't quite know what to make of the company which provides them, the 'Ron Paul dollar', or the 'raid' which took place and seized all their assets. If nothing else, that was a good promotional gimmick. Happened during the same time as the Ed Brown 'raid', with Alex Jones and Ron Paul associated with all of this. Just questionable in the timing and relationship of everything.

Likewise...

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List of Supporters
Just as the Liberty Dollar is a voluntary barter currency, there is now a voluntary list of people who publicly support the Liberty Dollar. Please click HERE to add your name to this list of distinguished fellow Americans.

459 names added since January 2007 (Displayed in Order of Submission).

So does that mean there are like 1000 people using Liberty Dollars? It's not surprising then that Paul kept finishing in 5th place. Yet, of course, it was all the media's fault for not mentioning Ron Paul more often...

I dunno, anybody should have the right to mint their own coins, if they are being legitimate with the measure of values, but they do try to make them look like "official" US currency. With flags, the Statue of Liberty, an Eagle, and the motto "Trust in God" instead of "In God We Trust". I see how they are bordering the line of forgery, and using the Constitution, Christianity, and Patriotism as the foundation for their own business and promotion.

But at least they openly state this is NOT LEGAL TENDER, and is "negotiable". There's nothing wrong with that.

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I dunno, anybody should have the right to mint their own coins, if they are being legitimate with the measure of values, but they do try to make them look like "official" US currency. With flags, the Statue of Liberty, an Eagle, and the motto "Trust in God" instead of "In God We Trust". I see how they are bordering the line of forgery, and using the Constitution, Christianity, and Patriotism as the foundation for their own business and promotion.

But at least they openly state this is NOT LEGAL TENDER, and is "negotiable". There's nothing wrong with that.

Hey, why the hell not? The US Federal Reserve do it and they are just a private bank. Then they issue this currency to your government ....at interest. How is that forgery any different to people making the Ron Paul dollar or the Liberty Dollar?

Answer... There is no difference.


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the us constitution states that congress may coin money. it states that individual states cannot coin their own money.it states that congress shall have the power To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States. (article 1,section8, clauses 5,6,and article 1 section 10 clause 1).

however the liberty dollar fits none of those statements. it specifically states it is not legal tender, nor a currency.


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I don't get the issue. If you and I agree to swap my silver spoon for your widget maker then we can. No one intervenes. So what will happen if I first hammer my silver spoon into a disc? And if I press a picture onto either side of the disc? Is it still okay? If it is then there can be no problem with other silver coins. If it isn't then its absurd.


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IN this country though , ZIngdad , even that would be construed as taxable trading too.
It could be construed that in the swap , both you and I have received payment "in kind" from another person as an income .
It could therefore be taxed , so you would need to give the government the going rate.

I was recently told that there was a community skills centre locally, where folks could swap hours gardening for sewing , painting etc... it was stopped for taxation and health and safety issues....

All those that had been thought to have received payment in kind for some way had to pay a share to the tax man! ....The mind boggles.....!


It doesnt suprise me that the PTB prevent the forging of a separate currency , even though I do think it is a very workable idea.... as usual the governments have to supposedly control anything and everything ....


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newbs, it is taxable here to. its just unenforceable. reason is:

i fix my neighbors computer, and he mows my lawn, how will they know?


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They dont ... thats a good point Minifang...on a one to one they probably wouldnt find out , but once more than a few people did this , it would become as our community swap shop did...dealing by word of mouth , or some tax inpector's nanna being involved in the arrangement , or by flyer adverts through local letterboxes ..... ruined.

Tax , VAT , health and safety , insurance etc all interfere and stop people using their own bartering systems.
I would really welcome such a set up too... it makes so much sense.... but common sense and reasonable arrangements seldom rule , its such a shame ... maybe unwritten arrangements would still thrive , but you would have to personally know all those you swap with... for me and many here thats unlikely.

Someone I know did basic home repairs for the elderly , and was paid in cakes and pies ! I'm all for it , but it would be hard to keep it under the radar once the net was spread wider , dont you think ?


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They dont ... thats a good point Minifang...on a one to one they probably wouldnt find out , but once more than a few people did this , it would become as our community swap shop did...dealing by word of mouth , or some tax inpector's nanna being involved in the arrangement , or by flyer adverts through local letterboxes ..... ruined.

Tax , VAT , health and safety , insurance etc all interfere and stop people using their own bartering systems.
I would really welcome such a set up too... it makes so much sense.... but common sense and reasonable arrangements seldom rule , its such a shame ... maybe unwritten arrangements would still thrive , but you would have to personally know all those you swap with... for me and many here thats unlikely.

Someone I know did basic home repairs for the elderly , and was paid in cakes and pies ! I'm all for it , but it would be hard to keep it under the radar once the net was spread wider , dont you think ?

thats true, and it would undermine the control the govt has, via taxes. we cant have the sheeple thinking for themselves now can we?


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