Just wondering if anyone has any good sources about the Hanub Ku. I find it to be really interesting to look at and it does seem to hold some esoteric wisdom from what I've noticed reading here and there. I'm having a hard time finding a real good definition of what the Hanub Ku means though. Anyone know? Here's a couple of things I found:

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a mayan symbol equivalent to the yin yang symbol of the chinese tradition. The maya believed in this symbol of duality as the source of their beingness and divinity.

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To the mayans Hanub Ku represents the belief that "time" is an illusion veiling the true nature of the universe

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I've never even heard of that. I'm now quite curious to see what others might post about it.


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Ive read a little about it , though there seems to be a more than a little confusion as to where it orginated... I think it means ""stay together through adversity "" .......there was some interesting information on a link I previewed... and its stuck! ..... soon as I check it I will post it ....!


Ahah! ... found it

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Hunab Ku was, to the Mayas, the supreme God and ultimate Creator. It represented the gateway to other Galaxies beyond our Sun as well as all of the Consciousness that has ever existed in this Galaxy. Hunab Ku, according to the Mayas, is also the Consciousness which organized all matter, from a "whirling disk", into stars, planets and solar systems. Hunab Ku is the "Mother Womb" which is constantly giving birth to new stars and it gave birth to our own Sun and Planet Earth. They also believed that the "Creator" directs everything that happens in our Galaxy from its center through the emanation of periodic "Consciousness Energy" bursts.

HANUB KU LINK


ETA the depiction of the black hole ( HANUB KU as the birth place of all the universe is very interesting .....



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Good stuff Newbs!


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NM, I'll share with you what is true for me. I don't know how much of what I believe is based on Mayan philosophy and how much has come from my own inner truth. I have read too much and thought too much to be able to separate it out any more. But here it is anyway:

Hunab Ku is the central sun of the galaxy. It is also the source of all the material in this galaxy. But that is just at the mundane level. From a spiritual perspective Hunab Ku is a being of vast consciousness. It is a god-like being that gives life to the whole galaxy. If you think of light and energy and matter as all essentially being the same thing (as they are) and understand that these things all come from Hunab Ku then you begin to see the picture. And then, all that is in this galaxy does not just come from Hunabu Ku it also returns to Hunab Ku. As matter falls away from the centre of the galaxy and spins out to the edge it gets darker and dimmer and then it is cycled back to the centre where it is re-enlivened by Hunab Ku and is ejected to cycle out again.

Hunab Ku is both a black hole that sucks in matter and a great sun that puts out matter. The beginning and the end. The Alpha and the Omega. At least as far as our galaxy is concerned!

One could say that Hunab Ku is a spirit being and the galaxy is its body. I believe this is a conscious being in the same way I believe Gaia (Planet Earth) is a conscious being in the same way you or I are. It's all consciousness. The difference is that Hunab Ku's body is just MUCH larger than ours and its consciousness is also MUCH larger than ours. It is in a constant process of breathing in and breathing out. It breaths in darkness and decay and breaths out light, life and energy. God-like, indeed!

It humbles me to think that this magnificent great being which is the originator and beingness of our galaxy is really just one amongst an infinite number because our galaxy is just one amongst a great many. Some astronomers reckon there are hundreds of billions of galaxies out there. That means Hunab Ku, as magnificent as IT is is one in hundreds of billions! And that's in our known universe. I believe our universe is one in an infinity of others. You see the issue? No matter how magnificent a being is - it is just a minuscule part of All That Is. And this is deeply humbling.

So Hunab Ku is a wondrous and amazing being indeed. But still it is not "God" any more than any other part of "God" is. It is just another perfect part. As we all are.

This makes me smile.

ETA -> That's a very cool link Newbs. I agree with much of what is stated there. I forgot to say that I think Hunab Ku is directing the pace and order of things in the universe. For example that our solar system (and therefore Earth too) is currently being subjected to slowly increasing levels of energy. Most of this energy is not measurable with normal scientific equipment and so is not commented on. But it is making it ever easier for people to spiritually awaken. We are moving into a time of "light" and people are "enlightening". It is ever easier to discover your personal truth. Easier to connect spiritually... etc. etc. This is also why the planet is actually heating up. More energy input. It is happening to every planet in the solar system. They are all heating up. We are slowly gearing up to the jump to the next density level. This needs energy. And we are being fed all we need all the way out here from Hunab Ku.



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This resonates so much with me , it makes perfect sense . I am in awe of the Mayan approach to many things.. they seemed to have had insider knowledge of so many things too, I wonder if there was an extraterrestial source of information ...

My belief is that negative energy too is involved in this process , as there is a balance in all things... as Zingdad describes the return of energy , thats my belief also . ..that the negative somehow returns to create the flux that creates flow of energy.

Having only recently given a lot more time to marrying thoughts and information to my eternal questions ...I have much to take to further levels of understanding and detail... but I find this a fascinating area, and am eager to try to reach a higher level or understanding through it all. Thanks NaturalMystick ! Whats your thoughts on this ?


ETA ..... the hieroglyph to me seems to indicate negative and positive to create definition and flux etc... two cents etc !



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Zingdad's notes also resonate very strongly with me.

I tried to explain Hanub Ku to someone once, and I couldn't really do it. I tried, but I knew there was so much more to it and do to it any kind of justice would require some time and thought. Zingdad has put the ineffable into words very nicely!

It also sounds like Hanub Ku makes for a real fine example of the very fractal nature of our entire universe. And perhaps... Could be the very source of the fractal pulse?


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Newbs wrote:

I am in awe of the Mayan approach to many things.. they seemed to have had insider knowledge of so many things too, I wonder if there was an extraterrestial source of information ...

Newbs, it seems there was. I mean, if we are to believe the Mayans themselves then they were saying that they were in contact with space people. For example: if you look at carvings on their temple walls some beings had little star-constellations carved above their heads. These were almost always either the Pleiades or Sirius. And there were many carvings of people in space-suits with helmets and so forth. There are those that argue otherwise but this is pretty clear to me: the Mayan WERE in contact with extra-terrestrial beings.

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My belief is that negative energy too is involved in this process , as there is a balance in all things... as Zingdad describes the return of energy , thats my belief also . ..that the negative somehow returns to create the flux that creates flow of energy.

I think the negative/ positive issue is one of perspective. There is a type of energy which is "good" for us and so we call it "positive". It is the light of every type that feeds and supports our type of life. This is what one finds in the "out flow" from the centre of Hunab Ku. Then, as a result of stars burning out and things falling to chaos this energy slowly goes dark and then begins to fall back to the centre. It then becomes the stuff of life for other types of beings. Think of how there is no waste in nature. If an animal dies in nature some other animal uses its body for food. One organisms waste is another organisms food. Nothing is wasted. The same for our galaxy. There is life in the outwards cycle and life in the inwards cycle. When all is in balance then it functions beautifully. When there is imbalance and the "dark ones" try to invade the light cycle (or other way round) then things get messy.
I suspect there has been a modicum of this going on for a while - and that order is about to be rather firmly restored. But I digress. The point I make is that the light and the dark are both integral parts of the whole and both equally important and valid.


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That is a very valid point amongst many , Zingdad .... no waste in Energy and Nature. Everything is in a position of being , of existing ... and nothing will not change given time.... SO .. it therefore follows,then , that all the positive added to all the negative makes nothing....

Hanub Ku is the source and the destination , the centre to which all energy flows and from where all energy flows.


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Zingdad wrote:

These were almost always either the Pleiades or Sirius.

How do you know this?

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Hi Dolphin

The full quote is

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if you look at carvings on their temple walls some beings had little star-constellations carved above their heads. These were almost always either the Pleiades or Sirius.

So what I am saying is that there were wall carvings featuring people. Some of the people had little constellations carved above their heads. For example one of the oft-featured constellations was seven points (stars) in a shape that looks like the constellation of the Pleiades.

I'm not sure what the question is. How do I know about the carvings? I have seen pictures. At one point I was quite interested in the whole Mayan thing. Alas I very seldom keep links and so forth.



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Thank you so much, Zingdad. I know better than to try to read longer posts without enlarging the font. The explanation you gave was just great. I can do some more googling now.

I am still interested in information about/from the Mayan civilization. When I see something that has to do with it, I try to read and understand.

Too bad I am a better visual learner.

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nice picture.
pretty much agree with what has already been said,
but hears some other info to add.
This
symbol is called
the Galactic Butterfly
which is said to represent all of
the consciousness that has ever existed
in this galaxy. This is all of our physical ancestors
both human, animal, reptile, fish, shell fish, plants as well
as the consciousness which organized all of the raw material from
a whirling disk into stars then planets and solar systems. Big Meaning. So
big that the original Maya had no symbol for this. In their civilization it was like
having no name for God. Just knowing the concept was good enough. Later this pattern
was devised by Toltec or Zapatec weavers as a pattern for blankets and this is where Jose Arguelles
came across it. He called it Hunab Ku. The indigenous peoples call it "The Galactic Butterfly". Butterflies are seen
as ancestors returning for a visit to physicality. Wearing one of these symbols is very powerful as it broadcasts your
reaching to actively join the consciousness of our galaxy.

I like the butterfly part, always loved them.
And when ever i do see one it often makes me think of my mom visiting me.

Theres a really interesting dvd/documentary by Ian Xel Lungold that describes how the mayans
viewed time and what exactly is happening viewed form the perspective of the begininning of time till now.

At Zingdad, you coming to the day outa time?

Day out of time is the Mayan new years....
International day of peace too.
If im not wrong its the day when we align with sirius. (venus might play a part not sure)

Definitely going to be my next Tatoo!


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Was it found recently

COSMIC GHOST LINK

This article rang a few bells for me...


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The mayans and many other native american groups, second-hand tales I've heard from groups connected with the yaquis, are very keen on the idea of time being an illusion, and why wouldn't it be? A friend of mine took peyote in a ceremony (in other words there was some sort of shaman/shamanic individual present), and remarked that time literally stopped - an idea that's impossible for the scientific mind to understand, while the open mind can contemplate it, but something that I don't think most people (and this means MOST, in other words, closer to 99% than 90%) people simply cannot relate to because they haven't felt it themselves, first-hand experience is always the best.

I've never had the luxury of experiencing stopped time, but timelessness would describe more what I've experienced after taking shrooms on one occasion, a certain timelessness that in this day of age where everything is about a new age is very comforting, to realize that in the end some things are always the same, it sort of brings a person back to childhood. Scientists say that the center of our universe is a supermassive black hole, and when light passes into a black hole its image is "frozen", almost like time stopped. Perhaps/probably the Mayans picked up on this idea before today's scientists, that the center of the universe is the one place where everything is timeless, physically timeless, without the aid of entheogens.


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Crazyeugene wrote:

The mayans and many other native american groups, second-hand tales I've heard from groups connected with the yaquis, are very keen on the idea of time being an illusion, and why wouldn't it be?

I always think of Time as an illusion , an invention by man to measure the space between experiences...

Crazyeugene wrote:

I've never had the luxury of experiencing stopped time, but timelessness would describe more what I've experienced after taking shrooms on one occasion, a certain timelessness that in this day of age where everything is about a new age is very comforting, to realize that in the end some things are always the same, it sort of brings a person back to childhood.

I havent felt like I have stopped time , but someone dear to me , and I are often commenting on how we can jointly experience time slowing or speeding.... WITHOUT enthogens I may add ! I can certainly experience changes in it by inducing meditative states....they were more openly and readily spiritual and able to use senses and perceptions other than the five basic ones...

Thanks Crazy ... !

Crazyeugene wrote:

Scientists say that the center of our universe is a supermassive black hole, and when light passes into a black hole its image is "frozen", almost like time stopped. Perhaps/probably the Mayans picked up on this idea before today's scientists, that the center of the universe is the one place where everything is timeless, physically timeless, without the aid of entheogens.

Yep... I agree.. it would seem as though many groups of people were more aware of altered consciousness with or without the aid of drugs and other ingested substances....


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The greatest ingested substance that even great meditators ingest - oxygen. But wow, the power of anything with a more complex molecular structure than oxygen.

Now stopping time.. well I guess that's the same as stopping a hologram, but I was more referring to existing without time. Stopping time would certainly be an incredible power, but not much of an effect on those who see past time's veils.

It's amazing how with the ones closest to us, we experience things more amazing than just that closeness, but magical things, telepathy, clairvoyance, time stopping, and yes, all without any ingested substances.


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