I think that if a time machine will be successful then it has already been successful in the future and therefore has already travelled into the past. Also all the improvements on it will now been made...in the future. Are the UFOs the time machine and does this explain why they do not want a final contact with us because it would alter the course of history?

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That is very interesting, I once read something that said we would never invent the time machine because we would have it now. I guess they mean if in the future we were to invent the time machine, we would see some kind of evidence now, unless they have tried to remain elusive. I like the whole thought of 'are the UFOs time machines?', an increase in UFO activity could be explained by them coming back to change future events that are nearly upon us that changed the world?

Interesting, thanks for posting.

Here's an old (but fun, I thought) thread that you may enjoy if you're a fan of sci-fi films: Back...to the Future!.


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Thank you oh Sacred Fury. That was quite cogent...and led me to think of other things...of ships 'n' shoes and other things. I liked that little strip. The thing is... that.. I meant that original post about the time-machines's being imminent to emphasise that some people miss the point. I just thought I'd post it to see what sort ot reaction we would get. The article iself seemed to have been written by one of those people who tell you that you have just won a million dollars. There was not only no verifiable or checkable science to it but neither was there any originality to it. I mention all this because we have spoken about the "edge" of science and about the dividing line between true, investigative science and what some take as pure fantasy (or "phantasy" if you prefer) or, rather, reject as fantasy. This brings us back to the question of when science will get back to it younger days of imagination, and "what if...?" days. Let me here raise my glass to Einstein, Hawking, Galilleo, and a whole host of others for their courage and intrepid snooping into reality. In short: if a time machine will ever be invented, we will never know about it because we exist on a different chronobranch.
If such a machine should be invented it will alter history and we exist on the branch of history in which it never was invented. Think about "What if? "



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Sorry I couldn't resist

This reads like a dejavu for me...

Wrote an essay on this, my info came from a quantum mechanics book with several papers on Professor Uri and Stephen Hawkins. They had a skirmish into this, the theory of Professor Ori’s ‘Theory of Closed Time-like Curves’ versus Stephen Hawkins’s ‘The Chronology Protection Conjecture’ base on Albert Einstein’s ’Theory of General Relativity’ and Schrodinger's ‘Cat' Curve Theory’.

Since the time difference of Australia is ahead of England by average of 9 hours or an average 18 hours ahead of America.

Does this mean my post came back from the future to post a reply to the past?

Is the internet our conduit to meet in past, present and future?

I actually DO believe that *some* UFOs are time machines. If you understand that space and time are the same thing... that they are just different aspects of the Space/Time continuum then I think it is just a matter of finding the right technology before we are able to traverse time. Time itself is a troubling thing. Its passage varies depending on things like speed and gravity. So, by altering your speed of travel one can alter your place in time relative to another observer. ut there is more to this. I believe some UFOs are craft used by ETs to get across great distances in the Space/Time continuum by popping through into the Time/Space reality and then jumping back at any nexus of Space/Time that they wish. Or so I understand. This means they are indeed able to go back to their past. If you've read the Dan Burisch "J-Rod" accounts then this is exactly what he is proposing... that these aliens are from our distant future.

But I realise this is a bit quasi scientific and unsupportable. Nothing more than a weird theory.

But IF it's true, then what? Can we say "time travel is impossible because otherwise we'd know about it"? Can we assume someone from a future time-travel-enabled world would come through to us and make their presence known? I'd argue "no". Knowing what I know about this world and its inhabitants I'd make DAMN SURE I was not noticed if I came back to this time (or before now). I mean realistically... if you arrived from the future would you go about advertising the fact? You think you'd survive a day without being taken in for psychiatric observation shortly followed by incarceration by TPTB to keep you from spilling the beans and to use you for their own agenda. Can you imagine them NOT going to ridiculous lengths to find out "what is going to happen", to keep that info to themselves and to try to use it to their own strategic advantage? You'd be tortured and abused if you didn't co-operate for sure.
And WHY would they want to risk this? Stick your head in the ethical morass of messing with the whole planets free-will? Why? I propose that there'd have to be a VERY good reason to do this. And if they did, would they not cover their tracks? If they can travel time can they not cover their tracks?

So I, for one, am very firmly in the "time travel IS possible" camp. I go further and say we might be experiencing it with some of the UFOs we have witnessed. I find no reason to conclude that it is impossible.


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Hmmm,

A world reality of order.......or.......a world reality of chaos?

I guess I could let my living environment just be helter skelter and become quite messy around me and never bother keeping things neat and tidy. Its just that I tend to feel better when things are relatively neat and orderly.

I suppose it could be interesting and educational to experience the contrasts of both. But I'm not sure I could do both "simultaneously" in the physical world I currently live in. Maybe its better and easier for me to just experience these contrasting, paradoxical things as best I can in my mind for "now".

To me its kind of like trying to mix white paint and black paint without getting grey by getting small enough to still see the white and black particles.

Nice analagy there, Sojourner. Very profound stuff, guys.

I, too, am in the 'time travel is possible' camp. I take this from my precognitive dream experience(s). just a few of them. How can someone see a future event before it takes place, no connections to that event, and yet later see the exact even unfold?

Time, what is it? Along the lines of dejavu mentioned by aussiET.

Time travelling is possible, bear with me, I’m having trouble wording this. Is it possible that ghost simply do not exist, because of the density and convolution of ‘time’, the present time being muddled with the preceding time.

What I am saying is, history is still going on, what happened 60 years ago is still going on as if it was today, as a being, we simply left the previous time zones to move to another time zone in the future day by day. Because of a kink in the times, two days gets tangled and we encounter each other, for one brief momentum. Present seeing the past as a ghost, the past seeing the future as a benevolent being who comes back to change the course of history?

SJ


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Sweet-Jalapeno wrote:

Time travelling is possible, bear with me, I’m having trouble wording this. Is it possible that ghost simply do not exist, because of the density and convolution of ‘time’, the present time being muddled with the preceding time.

What I am saying is, history is still going on, what happened 60 years ago is still going on as if it was today, as a being, we simply left the previous time zones to move to another time zone in the future day by day. Because of a kink in the times, two days gets tangled and we encounter each other, for one brief momentum. Present seeing the past as a ghost, the past seeing the future as a benevolent being who comes back to change the course of history?

SJ

i prefer to think of it as multiple universes, like an infinite number of bubbles.each with its own timeline. many might be similar to own own universe,and might be what appears to be our past (sightings of ghosts in medieval, civil war, Victorian clothes for example).traveling to the "past" is actually traveling to one of these universes. the universes may interact with each other provided the conditions are right. what those conditions are i do not know. where they "overlap" this is when the "ghosts" are sighted. sometimes the ghost acknowledge our presence, sometimes not (perhaps not aware of it?).

the multiple universes are an actual scientific theory. the rest is speculation on my part.



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That theory (have you seen 'sliders' series?) works for me aswell, I cannot imagine this world/life/universe being the only one when we have so many possibilities.

As for the time machine itself, we, the people are being bombarded with diasters, one after another, would it be possible it is someway linked to time travelling upsetting the balance of the universe? Just as you cannot unscrew a botte top without upsetting the contents inside.

SJ


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