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 Post subject: MEET THE SHEEPLES...
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SHEEPLE THIS... :roll: :laugh: :P :rofl: :uhoh: :whip: :gossip: :bashhead: :maddance: :flogs: :evilbanana: :praise: :kickbutt: :spank: :rockon: :late: :shhh: :'( :armsfold: :clap: :music: :waccybaccy: :darkevil: :brainout: :prod: click me

SHEEPLE THIS... :roll: :laugh: :P :rofl: :uhoh: :whip: :gossip: :bashhead: :maddance: :flogs: :evilbanana: :praise: :kickbutt: :spank: :rockon: :late: :shhh: :'( :armsfold: :clap: :music: :waccybaccy: :darkevil: :brainout: :prod: click me

We know that there are a lot of people not in this category...they are not unique to one country...they are every where
We know that people refuse to see the truth, because for them it will be just guilt to continue doing nothing, so they aggressively defend ignorance is bliss and that is all to life.

But for people who post stuff or make videos like this are all hoping for some of us to see this and to spread awareness or start questioning in doubt the mainstream information and eventually reach a critical mass...if people realise that they are not alone and that there are billions of us against a few who knowingly use their power to intentionally influence governments to serve their purpose and then everyone’s attitudes will change to do something about it. The people behind the power are using greed to control the world by blinding democracy with the extremities of capitalism of revolving our lives around money to attain survival and happiness including freedom rather than humanity and spirituality.

The global elites are the masters and the rest to be slaves, similar to the nobles and pheasants found in the Chinese, French and Russian class revolutions; except it is in a global version and instead of using class oppression it uses economic control for oppression; therefore the need to exclude politics and commerce to seek an action by people’s collective community, then we are going to get closer to the truth.
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We know that people refuse to see the truth, because for them it will be just guilt to continue doing nothing, so they aggressively defend ignorance is bliss and that is all to life/your quote


In response to a part of your post I would like to say, that I believe most people do like to hear what they can descern as truth.
The thing is, that truth is so subjective to the personal interpretations of what it may be at any given moment, that it is very difficult for anyone to take a stand on something as subject to change as truth.

Though I take what you say sincerely and can see your point you are making about the bliss of ignorance, It has been my experience to see not that most people honestly want to remain in ignorance or inaction. Most just do not know what to do or to say or where to take a stand. Many have been ridiculed for speaking their mind or have watched others take the punches, so they hang back.
Fear is a large marker for people to overcome as I can see you sort of alluded to in your post.

I have learned that what you say and I say do not matter too much in the end result of things so large as the human race or rights and wrongs. It is a larger force moving and changing outside of what we may think is right or wrong that to judge it is to limit it. Therefore limiting our own sight and insight into a situation or event, or even into other beings.
I suppose your statement made me fall more for the live and let live, and to know thyself thought process. To change where we can within our own worlds and always hold that no matter what others may say is truth, know that the next day or year down the road, they will claim they have changed their mind.


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Hello, I saw this vid maybe 2-3 days before posted, and nearby to it in youtube was a counter......can't find it now but the idea was that sheeple don't need to wake up, and that efforts to do so by people in the know was another design by tptb to slow the transfer of information and communication by people who could effect change if banded together. I guess instead of organized effort on behalf of people that knew what was go'in on.......it's kind of scattered and not focused? I am still think'in on it.....but I think there may be something to it, that idea. I will try to find the vid..........



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Hi TREND,

Thanks for the respond, appreciate honest and intelligent feedback and would love a dialogue...

I do agree with your post...I should have rephrase it as ‘The majority of people ‘instead of ‘We know that people’...

TREND wrote:
In response to a part of your post I would like to say, that I believe most people do like to hear what they can descern as truth.
The thing is, that truth is so subjective to the personal interpretations of what it may be at any given moment, that it is very difficult for anyone to take a stand on something as subject to change as truth.


In view of your subjective interpretation at any given moment and subject to change as truth...

I agree with you again as what you describe is a typical human response to initial realisation and resistance to an establish base reasoning.

But the fact of the matter is there is long enough time pass to overcome feelings that were raw are now past, like someone’s passing and moving on after years; and in no way do we consider not acknowledging the significance and tragedy, the very reason why we owe it to them to look for the truth to see justice, also for the world, for the sake of better future compare to living in lies. In this case the video above in question of 9/11 - happened nearly 7 years ago and nearly 3 years ago that the public query have been dismiss. But despite with all solid evidence pre and post of the public query including reasons to make war with countries, also there are already numerous re-education materials available to put light to what truth is real and what is false to what was given (there are TV programs, radio programs, DVDs, books and internets (from youtube, blogs and on-line news)) – nearly spoon feed of information and the amount of others giving awareness in order to lobby for support to get a hearing.

The need of overwhelming support from ordinary people is needed to change US Congress conclusion to the inquiries into further inquiries to reveal the truth. But the sheeples mentality is hindering of losing and of having not enough support from normal citizens as in small actions or petitions. Eventhough the involvement from normal citizens are hardly any big effort; it is being done by individuals risking everything they have - all they just need are numbers to fuel their momentum on behalf of the everyone.

For me as part of the world, we as citizen of earth should have past the initial shock of the truth to all of this, you might be saying what the hell do I get to do with this...the world was brought in with this peril, we have been subjected to our version of patriotic act, war against terror and economic/energy crisis which did not exist prior stemming from that event.

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Though I take what you say sincerely and can see your point you are making about the bliss of ignorance, It has been my experience to see not that most people honestly want to remain in ignorance or inaction. Most just do not know what to do or to say or where to take a stand. Many have been ridiculed for speaking their mind or have watched others take the punches, so they hang back.
Fear is a large marker for people to overcome as I can see you sort of alluded to in your post.


As to I have failed to mention fear, it’s because it will be contrary to what’s being presented and to generally accept one of the element for tolerating the behavior - for a few why not, but to a mass its hopelessness to life. For a sheeple is to not question the wrong truth but accept it open heartedly; and it is also for them to question why are you asking questions against those wrong truth and using fear as an excuse and as a tool to do this. They have use deep patronism to blind them against themselves.

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I have learned that what you say and I say do not matter too much in the end result of things so large as the human race or rights and wrongs. It is a larger force moving and changing outside of what we may think is right or wrong that to judge it is to limit it. Therefore limiting our own sight and insight into a situation or event, or even into other beings.
I suppose your statement made me fall more for the live and let live, and to know thyself thought process. To change where we can within our own worlds and always hold that no matter what others may say is truth, know that the next day or year down the road, they will claim they have changed their mind.


If you are talking about the micro living as in your immediate area, by all means ‘live and let live’; but in macro as in the general world around us I have to disagree...man couldn’t have progress from master and slave society into an equal and democratic society under that ideology. We have stopped the killing and pillaging of villages to become civiil internet conversationalist. And all of this became this way because someone did initialise for things to start the changes and to progress the world we live in to be progressive.

.................Therefore no matter what you say and I would say only matters to how you use it. While there is life there is hope; rather than lie and die.

In all history the ones in control made their subjects ignorant, limit education to remain feeble; and when the few that did lead the changes for progress and educated the mass the progress came to reality. Maybe different level now but still the same principle but should be more better now in comparison to the amount of freedom, education and information with better technology available.


..................Justifying sheeples behaviour...

....................would be advocating mindless society and our lives are subjected to the wimps and wants of smart manipulators.

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Sorry for double posting...

Map you said you woke up because of what you read in BoT, do you want the same for all people being lied at? Individuals at the level of this sheepling and flocking would be hard to put out the truth for it is the sheeples lives at stake so the need for them to do it for themselves is all to it to happen, not waking them up would be a mistake. Logic will tell you of that as misinformation of not waking.

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Hi, yes I agree AussiET. I don't want people not to know, alot of my friends are in the uh, sheeple district, doesn't stop me from trying to make sense to them about what I see......lots of qiuzzicle looks at Map-Ref. The video in ?, I saw seemed self serving and not good advice........United we stand-Devided we fall, is my though. An interesting vid, I still want to post it and still can't find it. For me it's just more info and maybe a picture worth a thousand words of an attitude I had not thought of.



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Is this it, Map?

Or maybe this?



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Hi SS, no those aren't them. I have watched those now though and find them remarkable, that a change in attitude is noticed.....people were I think maybe humbled and thankful to be together and, they should be now as well. I still hear Bowie back early 70's singing "Five Years" The sentence he used that is so sticky in my mind all these years is..................."All the fat and skinny people, all the tall and short people, all the somebody people and all the nobody people, I never thought I'd need so many people". The vid I was referring to is Bs, I watched it again and...naw, it's an attack by some cat named Nemisis.....I think now it was about predatory patterns of thought hiding under the title Survival.....oh well, thanks for the vids though, I liked them.



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..................Justifying sheeples behaviour...

....................would be advocating mindless society and our lives are subjected to the wimps and wants of smart manipulators.
(your thought)

Last evening I wrote a great deal about this and it did not post at all when I looked this morning.
I always take that as what I have to say must not be needed to be heard..ha

I will simply say man kind appears to have a very large ego and in the vein I began my post with, truth being subjective, I can only respond by saying : If we begin to think we are not always subjected to the wimps and wants of smart manipulators then we fool ourselves. I do not advocate sleeping through what can be done, but what is..is.

My point went more to the idea that man continues trying to show how clever he is through solving every one elses issues, stating rights and wrongs or making anothers issues grander than tending to his own. I just see this is where change is most effective, the core of all other changes.

I sincerely do not mean that as any personal attack. I am speaking in the vein of societal mindset..a generalization for quick reference.

I look more to the reasons why people sleep and are called sheep (to use your reference partly) and what may be the core of their doing so. I see reason for sleepers and for those that are awake. ...but neither here nor there. It was nice discussing with you. I enjoyed it. Thanks for the post.[/quote]


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Cheers TREND and map-reference for the nice discussion with you guys too, it’s all cool.

Never took it personally, why we are in a forum to discuss to see how it will develop for further ideas, as we do, we are sharing to hope people who read us get something out of it.

Since by your personal realisation you have acknowledged that there are undeniable ‘sheeples’.

It’s a derogatory to label people but then again it’s a saying it lightly in view of situation. Like call it ...naive?...dumb?...arrogant?...misinform?...mob mentality?...hypocrites?...and so on.

Whatever the excuse we have in the long run as we see it in our lives always ends up being in despair and hardship situations. The very thing that in the first place would be doing something to make it right if they knew there’s some things are wrong, but are too ‘sheeples’ to keep letting it happen. Ending up with further limited future. Not because of your limitations but because you were not born in the top elite class of people, not having access to technology or lifestyle or not knowing the right people...and so on.

Those in real control did exploit money and power as a tool of control, that's been emplace as a limiting to humanity's progression, resulting on unnecessary hardship, sacrifice and deaths. But if humanity as a whole concentrated in ideas of utopian society instead of believing it as a myth purposely done to us; then those hardships, sacrifices and deaths happens only as a very last resort. And everyone in general not for a few will have long fruitful lives without poverty, crimes, war and sadness from despair, there wouldn’t have a reason to.

To mention the reasons of why people sleep and act like in sheep mentality per se; is to know what is stopping us from becoming a utopian society (not socialism or communism but harmonious contentment).

As an example the tax meant to help people as saving for their needs in forms of public medicals but for some governments replace it with you paying for your own medical fund which again is tax for your benefit – if this not clearly in support for more profiting needs of capitalist gone wrong from someone’s needs or tragedy. Governments and corporations have merge together out of greed to divert tax funds and to give it to private sector in creating more money for the conglomerate and global companies with hardly paying it back, and for more armaments for the sake of power (they shouldn't be the initial priority but secondary - most taxes are from individuals income, goods and services they pay. Individuals as consumer ends which also pays for the tax of companies through indirect absorbtion, not from tax dodging and exemptions companies. Think how many million indivduals compare to few companies.

The people’s lives are sacrificed not just on wars but to work up to 3 jobs or have an equivalent in order to survive with a future. We are also in a unnecessary petrol crisis that brought economic hardship in a ‘stagflation’ (high stagnation and inflation) situation because we were put in it out of manipulation for greed.

There are free energy technologies to break us out of control, they are the key towards a utopian society; there are tons of information and evidence to do with this. Because of the level of ‘sheepling’ to us that too became a myth as non-existence and are being suppress. To let us have it would be to lose the power and wealth of being masters, royals and nobles now known as elite economic class on their control of the mass of slaves, subjects and pheasants which is us the working economic class. The addiction of lust of greed is what is driving them to make us into ‘sheeples’. Making us live to think that equality to access free living and doubting you’re government is an evil act to pursue.

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I've been thinking on a theory between slavery and of the sheepling of us...and how it became to happen on the first place...

Slavery as most of us recognises it as being based on what humans do to another human. But in the modern century it’s more of restraining an individual from limiting one's freedom in binding an individual by using their desires. These desires are the needs and wants on one's survival or pleasures.

In changing our mindset along with our behaviour to ourselves and to others was brought to us by using false education in the illusions of ‘free enterprise or free market’ as the very essence of a democratic society and as our forthright to freedom.

Commerce society had it's place of purpose to replace the warrior society and religious society but only as a transition to aquire us to the next level of scientific society (coincedence such as the Mayan and Egyptian calendar schedule of man's progression have evolve on the same timeline as our history did but only to have been stop by being addicted to commercialism). We are suppose to evolve society wise as a community which will help the healing process of man and environments to the destruction and forward out of slavery been don from the start of our own civilisations; free access to earth's resources for all and the right to live; and the unification of all civilisation to a utopian society. Each timeline supercede each age, and the civilisation and society that drove them are progressively use to the other age. But the commerce are inevitably destroying ourselves.

The destruction starts at the bottom of the life chain in earth such as the environment and animals that are not capable to defend themselves against man's undeniable control of nature through harnessing elements via technology. Next to this level are destitute or the untouchables class of people in our societies who are nearly living like animals for their basic survival, the economic victims or the negative side of society. Level after that are the working class who works for minimum wages in our society, whose the first to pay and be effected by the calamity brought by the one's in the top of the social class that do not see the reality from where they are; but more in terms of profit than concern (the only time concern comes to the equation is if it is going to affect their profit). Next to the chains are the middle class struggling to become the ‘B’ and ‘A’ class of our society and are more incline to be the willing slaves of the chains and are creating themselves further illusion to the system of placements in the society’s hierarchy thus becomes more than the willing enforcers to the slaves below them. The next levels are the ‘B’ and ‘A’ class which are separated by the amount of what they have now as millions to billions as well as the distances they could cover our societies. And the very top of the chain are the elitist; they are the governing bodies of the multi-global-conglomerates that presides the earth’s societies who manipulate control over the lives of every single human being, animals and environments. They are hidden among the ‘A’ list because our society do not recognise those power of rights but on organisations who are suppose to balance our lives in earth’s societies.

Mainstream politics and government have now become answerable to the major conglomerates and corporations as their tool for preserving the consumers to contribute to the economy which profits them further and better strongholds to controls. They are knowledgeable with the manipulation of awareness such as for people who the tolerable awareness (people who seek freedom from desires) would be replace by those that are very weak but strong in reacting with their impulse to weakness of mind. We are persecuted if we do not take this or not conform within the organise centralisation of the government instructed by the dominant government presiding over other governments (and this government is under the control of few elite families and cronies). It doesn’t matter what you do in the process of earning money whether you’re the small business owner to the junior work experience worker the common factor to all of us is we serve the people who control the access to resources and wealth.

Capitalism as typically embedded in us, is all about competition and greed for profit. Through commercialism the instrument of capitalism along with its levels of greed via advertising, consumerism, marketing, retailing and etch; have further us into dependence to individual needs and wants rather than a community base needs and wants. And the result of dependence to these things of being content with filling oneself with external sources only leads to deeper slavery.

Surely the truth is slavery was forced on us on a daily basis by being tax payers, to have loans and mortgages, buying our retailed electricity, water and food for our survival in other words slavery is controlled by using monetary and materialism. Our human contentment in life has now been replace - from happiness through certain state of mind with materialism - or influence by external control of another human being such as social class or organisation position.

So the truth to all of this is - it is to maintain us into more controlled environment in order for us to concentrate our whole well being in our immediate place in order for us to ignore the general view point of our place in the earth or to humanity at large. That is why we are at fault into destroying ourselves and the world we live in by willingly assisting those in control to be as greedy as we are told to do so, further manipulating us into submission to submit others to chains of slavery resulting for the few in control (who are far remove from those below them in reality).

Just like how an addict in drugs would do. To keep reaching for the high the body require by the chemical changes the drugs did in a body and mind and the endless process to keep the urges of satisfying the dependency. Enslavement is done by denying a level of awareness for freedom of desires through community efforts rather than focus individuality; by bounding us all too in low-level satisfaction of physical instinct dependency such as hunger, thirst, sexual, self gratifications, material gains and etch. Our human instinct been change to work on the system of working to paying and staying inside the social system through the false education of democracy is capitalism.

Thus all crimes and war is base on the indoctrination of greed and slavery. Stemming from this are the outside influence dependency, survival and for profit. Whether in the small scale of individuals to individuals, to nations to nations of threats and martial in order to gain profit from each other as well as the amount one can gain from. Our concerns to another individual in any scales have become base on how their servitudes of usefulness serves us ignoring the fundamental human spiritual concerns of community and betterment of mankind. This is refer to as the ‘I’ and ‘we’ societies

Slavery now is done by using the weakness of mind from desires of need and wants instead of cages and chains...it’s now of servitude as slaved into interest, taxes, inflation, etch...

........................................................’99% of all sheep will always be led to the slaughter’

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and what in your opinion is it that you think we should do whith all this knowledge? what is the next move we should take and need be making an action to take?

We seem to reverting back to the goddess rule but how can we prevail and receive when we are being underminded by the false Gods that prevail. It is like them to take but like us to put forth and recieve but is it truely best to wait to recieve?


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Anyway, yea it is sad. These people are also always the first to shout their opinion on things they don't have a clue about. I think I stopped caring though, maybe we deserve all this crap.



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Hi missariea,

missariea wrote:
and what in your opinion is it that you think we should do whith all this knowledge? what is the next move we should take and need be making an action to take?


Let's hope your not looking at me for an answer to those...

It’s fairly like the ‘Matrix’ movie you will be taking the ‘red pill’ that is the information justifying in believing in conspiracies (that had been hidden behind your dreams as a symbolism) given by ‘Morpheus’ (the Greek god of dreams and sleep) as very like those lecturers and authors to warn you just as ‘Neo or Trinity’ were.

‘Remember....All I’m offering is the truth.....Nothing more’......But once the truth is known there is no going back.

This is my personal opinion in metaphors on what others have written and interpret them along the basis of knowledge coincide with it. I am just voicing my frustration and if you listen to my message, it will be up to you how you use it provided you have close enough idea as I do to awake from our slumber and gear towards progressive society to release our limitations to get to our utopian society or close to it as possible.

There are individuals that have argued to start the awakening by outing and using the ‘free energy technology’ which would lead to ‘free resource and free technology to all’...it will be the catalyst that would push the masses to break out of enslavement levels of control and later on to seek further outer envelope to our limitations as a society making everyone to opt for the better community sharing abandoning monopolise markets and then commerce in general. What would progress is the same materialism but free to everyone base on contribution and rewards.

Notice internet and PC technology from pure monopoly to web base free usages and torrents. This is the gradual natural order of technology but is being hampered by greed.

Because once we know what infinite energy could be utilise to produce continuous food and water without the need to purchase only then our mindset will also change to aim for betterment of humanity; just visualise billions of people doing a project without fear of primal survival or restriction of money, only to properly manage all resources to balance a continuous process for community and environment.

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We seem to reverting back to the goddess rule but how can we prevail and receive when we are being undermined by the false Gods that prevail. It is like them to take but like us to put forth and receive but is it truly best to wait to receive?


Religion has got nothing to do with it; all religion has a pagan ritual and origin...it is to guide our well being to do the right from wrong...again it is up to you how you use religion...it’s a guide to our life, not the life that is guiding us.

To Zetanian.....any opinion is cool at least your contributing to a worthwhile discussion...anyway we all need to stop going further deep in crap and we had swallowed enough of it....

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With respect to being "slaves", a lot depends on the semantics and how situations are viewed and defined. All who experience a physical existence in this world must inherently also experience the need for sustenance and for other things required to survive. We are also limited by our physical bodies and limited by the size of our “prison cell†here on earth, i.e., how much maneuverability we have and the perimeters of our lives.

The real question pertains to the quality of our existence and how “free†each of us is to make the best of our situation. What are the opportunities available to each of us? Do we take advantage of those opportunities?

Granted, unchecked capitalism can be a terrible taskmaster. It can indeed result in the rich ruling over and suppressing the “workersâ€. But the FREEDOM to participate in a free-market and incentive-based system helps each of us be able to improve our own lot. Education plays an enormous role also. Does everyone take advantage of all the educational opportunities and programs available to them? Are people willing to put forth some effort to attain a lesser degree of “slavery†and a to build a larger “prison cellâ€?

The problem with a non-incentive-based system like socialism is that when the government provides everything for people, then there is no incentive to work, to be entrepreneurial, to be inventive, to invest the time and effort (that will ultimately benefit others but not so much their self and family). Too many “sheeple†would be willing to live a bare, scant, existence rather than work. Why work to exist when the government will take care of me? Also, with the government in control of everything, then the only ones who will be living well are those working at the top levels of government.

Yes, utopian socialism or communism talk up a good game, but history has proven that human nature simply will not allow these systems to work. People just aren’t geared toward a program of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.†Who gets to define what is needful and what is luxury? Those in government, that’s who.

AussieET, I agree with much of what you say, but I’m not sure of what you’re promoting as a solution. I think that it would be great if suddenly everyone were to be completely altruistic in thinking and become the perfect citizen of earth. Can you imagine what the world would be like if everyone on earth lived by treating others as they would like to be treated; nor would they ever think of doing something to anyone else that they wouldn’t want done to themselves? Heck, there probably wouldn’t even be a need for government. Unfortunately, we’ll just have to live in the world that currently exists around us.

The key to the best solution is ensuring that EVERYONE has the FREEDOM and the opportunities to put forth as much effort as they are personally willing to give in the incentive-based free-market system to improve their situation and expand their horizons if they so choose.

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Let's hope your not looking at me for an answer to those...



Of coarse I'm not looking to you for an answer for myself. My curiosity is in people and their psychology if you can really understand a person or a group of peoples even in knowing that what you know is really nothing... I don't know it just feels as if a bond can be had with every life if you take the time to really understand and try to meet... even if the lessons learned from them aren't forthright. The more bonds you are willing to make the easier the concept of oneness when you are trying to grasp it.... I guess this really has no relevance to what I was asking but is part of the reason why I ask and why I will always ask even if I'm not looking for an answer per say only the undefinable behind it


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Hi missariea,

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aussiET wrote:
Let's hope your not looking at me for an answer to those...
Of coarse I'm not looking to you for an answer for myself. My curiosity is in people and their psychology if you can really understand a person or a group of peoples even in knowing that what you know is really nothing...

That is an obvious humorous statement in sarcasm but apology if it did not, since I establish you’re utterly serious and I do appreciate your postings but what can you say to your vague questions...
And I have never claimed that I understand this people and like I said this is a personal opinion to understand why sheepling and the conspiracy that transpires with it and how the truth is sidelined and how we really need a new humanistic base society including government and commerce rather than monetary and martial power base. :D




Hi Sojourner,

Fair enough regarding free-enterprise to improve situation base on incentives.....about the lazying of people if things are given free...

But if we continue to what we are now it would still be under the capitalism gone bad which is happening at this stage where capitalism is outreaching and stagnating our societies with recession after recession...failures of economy...non-balance of payments and foreclosure country after country....mismanagements of resources and environments...and etch. Capitalism has already surpass it's use by date.

Further and further are the gaps between the have, and the have nots; and the cliché of the rich are getting richer and the poor getting poorer. And the dissention of every middle class and working classes to buckle out of the system to pay for medicals, food and energy; and just to keep pace with the rat race that eventually consumes our lives. And the system is even becoming more complicated than being simplified with having access to technology compare to now to then...it only tells you that the system is losing control and along with it is our own lives. And this is just the surface.

Free to opportunity...with regards to this with all the tax payers compare to the real monetary value to be able to access to education and training - from high school, college and university...why is it not free provided you meet the criteria required? The same with medical situation...It is base on the bottom dollar and profit earnings, capitalism has infiltrated our government by likely running them as a corporation to meet profits and lost the human aspects related to governments who are becoming a tool for corporations instead of being for the people who are the majority tax payers. Privatisation and political power partnerships??? Insurances and superannuations??? Preventable deaths and hardships????

There are the hidden controls from the top of our hierarchy chain of placements that are standing in greed for monetary and manipulations of lives and environment to profit. And we are breeding children and us supporting this existence....it is now time to progress as much as we did from feudal system to market economy and into holistic economy...bear in mind that there is still a system of martials and power but govern in a community who values every single life and to progress humanity and nature.

And just to make clear utopian society is not communism nor is it socialism where you have authoritarian government dictating. It is base on kibbutz and co-ops but with the 21st century model is where the scientist and organisers rules rather than politicians and military with the application of democratic society and the incentives are to what you can do to the community (for example: for a doctor’s goal would be how many can he save or prevent disease rather than how many medical insurance can he claim). The incentive system would be to participate and barter-trade but this time the democratic choice is open; the model to this is volunteer worker to quality performance for rewards of materialism or very like a non-profit companies. Even now this is the desire of the masses which is being masked by profit companies (dictation of product does not work) as being politically correct consensus company.

With this day and age there are enough scholars, educated, spiritualist and individuals who are aware to identify corruption in order to put in place anti-corruptions emplacements including a democratic mass voting (technology can deliver this)...if the society is base on disclosures and open society (again technology can deliver this)...you could also say the same with lazying of people as long as privacy and freedom to be an individual is priorities (progressive education would deliver this).

Don’t think that our society would revert back to being non-active member of the society or become a lazy society because that is not progressing. We will address that issue for the fruitful lives we need to live and to cope with populations to aim for planetary travelling.

It is very much still be using commerce and consumerism system but without monetary or martial control but on contributions to further develop our society like making advancement to technology and social system but concerns are of humanistic values emplace rather than monetary/political values. Instead of money for profit it will be credit rating for any other luxury and you do get limited free amenities, food and water; free education and training, and free medicals (free energy = free transport = free manufacturing = free raw materials =free lunch) and it’s all about collective to individuals not the other way around which is socialism and communistic ideology. And yes it is nearly the same as commerce but with the absence of higher control. These are the very reason why capitalistic society does not want you to know.

What is the point of all disclosure if we have to pay to see the aliens? Or pay to take a ride in their flying saucer? Disclosures of Illuminati...do we get our shares kept from us? What happens if we do get our technology does it come with a price that no one else can afford and who is going to profit? Do we get further into consumerism slavery to keep serving who happens to be born rich or in the right environment per se?

This are all fantasy or imaginary conclusions and even theoretical scholar study but if we ever reach free energy technology or extremely advance technology disclosures, what then?

....but everything starts from imaginations to base a reality.

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That is an obvious humorous statement in sarcasm but apology if it did not, since I establish you’re utterly serious and I do appreciate your postings but what can you say to your vague questions...
And I have never claimed that I understand this people and like I said this is a personal opinion to understand why sheepling and the conspiracy that transpires with it and how the truth is sidelined and how we really need a new humanistic base society including government and commerce rather than monetary and martial power base. :D


I hear it that way and my answer stays the same I suppose I do need to lighten up a bit at times cause I tend to come across serious in posts and what not alot. but anywho what you are saying is something along the lines of what most people who can think for themselves and are living under this current power are thinking . I didn't mean to make it seem as though you talking of understanding people ^^ I tend to think out loud alot and when I say you in vague comments I tend to be talking about the you that is me and everyone else that is all me and you ^^ (if that makes sense)
Personally I think we should all be amass and overthrow ^_~ but then again I crave an anarchy a loss of religion and if I had it my way I'd keep all the comforts technology provides us and yet I'd abolish streaming video and alot of the hypnotic things that turn us in to brainless monkeys.... but I suppose its inevitable because you cant have that strict of a form of control but when granted the medium people will be in to a comatose/ hypnotic state without even resizing it because they've already been conditioned to accept it through their freedoms to have it...
^^ with my thoughts the way they are I suppose I shouldn't even really be posting cuz when ever I do it just serves to take further down the rabbit whole ^_~ because the only thing I want to talk about I suppose is the thing that can't be talked about it because its such a beautifully orchestrated chaotic order.

Anyways veering away from my worm hole what I was saying about people and other life and the meeting I seek to make the oneness easier to grasp..... I leave the answers vague because when answered if even in the form of not answering I find the answer I seek.... I know that doesn't make any sense and I humbly appoligize for this fact :pray: v.v there is also the answer given when the question is made more specific that holds its own meaning perhaps just as important but on a different level.... at leas in the mind of a crazy woman ^_~ lol


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Please Click Me – Battle at Krueger SA

Within that film clip

...the Lions represent the key banking and financial holders of the world they own under their umbrella of power an array of industrial complex within the globalisations corporations as well as conglomerate enterprises; they buy into positions the key government roles to bid their agendas; the need to consume other lives is within their nature

...the Crocodile represents the opportunist key governmental roles and the greed of individualism that take advantage of the life line of river system.

Together the Lion and the crocodile represent the NWO and so called Illuminati and they prey on the weak and vulnerable and divide them from the strong or prevents them to being one. They install terror on us so as not to defy their authority and influence in order for us to ignore our own cry for help.

...the Buffalos represent the normal people since they are the population, if becoming a consensus and become a one governing they could overcome the more dominant powers that controls the herds...they could starve them to death if they did their living intelligently

Restriction is the land mass is the only reason why the need for culling is needed in nature to balance the available resources but if there are ways to expand the land and resources. In nature of reality the whole vastness of universe and use of technology then existence of predators and the program of population control would be unnecessary.

Please Click Me – (1) Parody of New World Order

Please Click Me – (2) Parody of Sheeples

In our reality the normal citizens can unite to get rid of predators since they are as human as any of us that control our expansions beyond our limits to further humanity. Evolve our lives and society in order to propel sciences that could discipline within us rather than outside our self the enlightenment to a more caring and sharing society.

Unfortunately right now that capitalism is represented by the 90% that controls our resources by default of technicalities such as the giant transnational corporations in turn would conglomerate in an unholy merger of consortiums who controls the population and powers of the governments and makes the worth of a nation. Not the one that has been indoctrinate on us as the entrepreneur, the ones who’s running shops and services that creates jobs and gives back to the community, and etch. Unfortunately they are in the other scale of the resources access even though they create the most business activities and taxes for the nation along the individual income tax and consumer taxes.

Also the dynamics of capitalism create poverty due to imbalance sharing since you for one cannot have the same richness to a limited wealth of resources therefore the strength lies on that gets most access and if the stronger ones want to have most of resources which leaves the weaker ones to have what’s left. That is why the need for them to get rid of universal services and economic democracy is necessary or the consequence would have them in a fair ground to fight for their monopoly of advantages and corruptions which would downsize them as for what they are.

Democracy and socialism are so much complimentary of each other than everyone thinks. Without democracy we couldn’t have the things we have such as freedom to vote, end of child labours, retirements, pay rise, occupational and safety, pensions, welfare systems, time offs, trading hours, holidays, sick pay and benefits and etch. The consensus of the people of righting the wrong is the democratic freedom and socialism enforces it under government as a way of operating. They are both tools of ideology principles and not systems as being indoctrinated to us by those that are going to lose in controlling the masses. Capitalism is about being able to monopolise the system through commerce but rather through influence instead of direct government or martial (variant of colonialism).

Just like public schools and private schools – public schools are product of democracy for giving the equal opportunity for anyone to have the right to education and its universal part is socialism; and private school is run for profit and often subsidise by governments in order to have the advantage of controlling the resources of better sciences of education (capitalism) and dictates the head of the business and the nation.

The ironic thing about this is we attribute capitalism with democracy since capitalism has fought against democracy. To disadvantage anyone outside the corporate globalisation monopoly in order to dominate the perception of an equal or fair standing to global control and access. Whilst universal services such as free medicals, welfare, pensions and etch which is socialism to being communism.

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