I have been reading all these posts and there is a generally accepted theory of what may happen in 2012 with regard to all these alien races, etc. We can see that some are mentioned in the bible as well as other historical documents and then I see people stating "...Jesus, 2nd coming, etc." but how can you honestly believe most of what is posted and maintain any belief that the commonly accepted religious plan? A plan accepted (by the general religious public) involving a God coming down and opening a can of whopass on "Satan"

One has to think, what is Satan in all this if you call "God" your "Annunaki" or other supreme alien? I see people can take this as symbolic and that there really is no God or Satan but then there are others on this forum that take it literal where they see a war between some aliens and then some sort of side battle for the control over humanity as slaves then yet a third side battle between God, Satan and Man involving a judgement day and God's son, Jesus. Then we have others who state all aliens are demons and part of Satan's army brougt about as a diversion except for one race. Then yet others who include all including any kind of Holy race of Angels and someone who appears to be devinely Christ himself as "evil"

It is all very confusing.


Can I have anyones drawn out opinionated story line that explains all these factors in some sort of logical manor that makes sense to your reality (what you believe)?

I must admit long laughter at much of this speculation on late nights.



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Seems like you are wasting a lot of time on an issue that you find absolutely laughable... Do you intend for people to answer the questions you placed on the thread title? I don't understand how you would care for anyone's answers if you say it is completely laughable and all the rest you said. I mean, you'll just be getting more of the stories which you laugh at. So, what's the point?


Anyways, I don't personally believe any particular story except the fact that we have been visited for thousand, possibly millions of years, and, that there are humans in other galaxies and planets, together with other distinct life-forms. I don't contemplate God as being an alien being. To me, God is a universal entity, it's a plethora of all energies and the totality of everything and anything. A collective and subversive and eternal flow of all that is and could be and was.


I, personally, think quantum physics helps understand a lot of the spiritual reality.



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DeathMagnetic, if you are asking for someone to provide you with a little humorous entertainment then I, for one, will decline. Even though I'm normally quite happy to give "drawn out, opinionated story-lines".

For anyone ELSE that might read this thread though I will say this:
YOU, each of you, are the true saviours of 2012. You will decide for yourself how things will transpire for yourself. If you choose fear and confusion then it will find you. If you choose joy and love then that will find you. And, while I am at it I might mention that ridicule and belittlement are born out of fear. Just a thought.

And how Jesus relates to all this? If you can't tell the difference between fear and love and can't work out how to create either then you could do a LOT worse than to follow the teachings of the christed ones like Jesus, Krishna, the Buddha, etc. They taught love, compassion and the fraternity of all humanity. Good teachings. If you need a teacher pick one of those guys.


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Hello, thanks for your responses.

When I said I find certain things laughable I was reffering to the "Jesus Factor"
I just want to see a candid explanation from a few of you that actually ties this in good to the rest of the stories and predictions I am reading. I did not mean to flame anyone.

All I have seen thusfar is people stating in detail all the alien theories then they throw in a sentence like "and then Jesus comes in and saves us"
This to me is not enough to believe both and I would like to. I am looking for detailed sensible responses on how this could play out with that "Jesus Factor" involved.


I have an easier question for some of you. As you state there are good and evil aliens with hidden agendas. Well lets say 2010 is the year we make contact (no pun intended) we befriend some greys or other aliens and we gain trust in them. Lets say by 2012 they are so commonplace they are living in houses around us and working with us and even hanging at the watercooler bitching about "the Man"

Ok, lets say your best friend is an alien and he's always been a great guy, hes your best man at your wedding and watches your kids. What happens when Jesus comes and according to Christian belief, declares all aliens "demons" and "evil" but you can't honestly see that. How do you react? Do you try to stop Jesus from wiping off the face of the earth in whatever battle might ensue? Do people think they are working together in their own hidden agenda with an almigty god? There are thousands of ways to look at it. Are you just supposed to side with the most powerful winner how young kids do when watching a baseball game?

If you are not a worshipper of Jesus, I don't know why this would be an issue for you. If you are, then I wonder how much of a good friendship you'd make with the alien next door in the first place if you knew ahead of time that Jesus wanted to destroy him and all his evil alien brethren.

If the alien next door is truly your best friend, I doubt you'd even hear Jesus telling you he's evil. If you have opened your heart and your psyche to your neighbor, and he also has opened his heart and psyche to you, no trash-talking by anyone is going to make sense to you, because you have your own reality and you know your own truth about the relationship.

Anyway, that's my 2¢.


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If you are not a worshipper of Jesus, I don't know why this would be an issue for you.

we all have loved ones who are

Let me throw another one at you. How quick after they are walking among us will some of those aliens begin visiting churches and proclaim Jesus as their own lord and savior? How would such other worldly beings be dealt with by the hand of God while showing reverence themselves?


Are you personally of the belief that all aliens are evil?



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God as the Creator, not an alien
Aliens are not gods but were as gods to mortal man. There are the aliens who believe in the cosmic god creator and that is the universal one. The savior is yourself.

2012 theories are Nibiru's coming, the change of the sign to Aquarius, a cosmic alignment, etc. Its not everyone who makes it a religious world event. You decide where you feel you side with more by your research and hope. I lean forward to the event of Nibiru and not just Anunnaki humans but other Ets showing in the near future. - Anuatlantian

DeathMagnetic wrote:

Are you personally of the belief that all aliens are evil?

I feel the same way about aliens as I do about humans.


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There's sugar, there is salt,
there's ice and there is fire in every single heart.
There are monsters, there are angels.

While there is speculation on nibiru i personally dont believe in it as there is no scientific proof of its existence. There would have been plenty of amature sightings with amature telescopics on a planet that large only about four years from crossing our path. Most of these speculations arose out of the end of the mayan Calendar and the discovery of other solar bodies that have been discovered outside of the plutoid pluto. Also the Sumerian culture said there is a "planet of the crossing" with gods they called the annunaki. Most of these stories have been combined into one big collective story because the doomsday predictions of 1999-2001 were false and now a new one needed to be created, this has happened through most of human history and still continues to this day. The year 2012 will pass as every other year has passed with alot of global changes but it will not be because of nibiru.

As far as god and the devil that is all bunk as well because if you dont already know that every religion has pulled from the ancient Babylonian and Egyptian religions. Even the word "Amen" is derived from Aman-ra where in hebrew the vowels are interchangeable and Amen was born, so when you say "amen" at the end of your prayer you are really praying to "Aman-ra". Why also do you think there are Egyptian monuments at the vatican that represents sexuality.

There is a creator but his intention was to let us come and learn for ourselves much in the same as you let you children go to college and have to let them go. You know they will screw up and get hammered drunk and experiment but they will learn from all this. Earth is just a roadstop on the long road to mastery but too bad that earth is such a terrible road stop to stop at because it has filthy toilets and the moral vending machine only takes money and never gives you anything in return, yet you keep feeding it.

No worrys about there being a battle between demons and winged angels, but you might want to gear up for the battle with the aliens as we have been fighting secret wars with some of the species already.


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Welcome to The Book of THoTH reapsebellator
Very interesting post and looking forward to exchanging views, Theories and Knowledge on the various subjects on this site - Anuatlantian

nebula wrote:

If you are not a worshipper of Jesus, I don't know why this would be an issue for you. If you are, then I wonder how much of a good friendship you'd make with the alien next door in the first place if you knew ahead of time that Jesus wanted to destroy him and all his evil alien brethren.

If the alien next door is truly your best friend, I doubt you'd even hear Jesus telling you he's evil. If you have opened your heart and your psyche to your neighbor, and he also has opened his heart and psyche to you, no trash-talking by anyone is going to make sense to you, because you have your own reality and you know your own truth about the relationship.

Anyway, that's my 2¢.

I agree so much with this , Nebula.

Could I ask ,DM , does your question indirectly relate to the vatican's recent comments on possible alien life forces?

IMHO many that believe in God , Jesus and other Christian entities believe that these are Love in the form of Man , and Man in the form of LOVE ... GOD is then unlikely to request an extermination of the neighbour/ friend as that would be an extermination of love itself...!

I believe there is essentially a letter mssing from GOD , and that it relates to GOOD.

With respect to 2012 , I believe that there is a massive transition to take place, and that we are so trapped inside our own thinking of everything as it relates to us in our own dimension that we cannot comprehend that something would transpire , or materialise that could transfer from another dimension.
We relate everything to our own human measurement of time , space , which relates to the speed of light etc... maybe Nibiru will materialise in contact with Earth in its own dimension , in its own time scale, which equals one minute of our own time .. or even one day etc... we measure everything according to our own perception of how quickly we register light with our own equipment , and our own eyes... what if 2012 relates to something outside our three dimensions?


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DeathMagnetic wrote:

I have been reading all these posts and there is a generally accepted theory of what may happen in 2012 with regard to all these alien races, etc. We can see that some are mentioned in the bible as well as other historical documents and then I see people stating "...Jesus, 2nd coming, etc." but how can you honestly believe most of what is posted and maintain any belief that the commonly accepted religious plan? A plan accepted (by the general religious public) involving a God coming down and opening a can of whopass on "Satan"

And you're reading them here? There are some who subscribe to this but I haven't noticed seeing it much at BoT.

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Ok, lets say your best friend is an alien and he's always been a great guy, hes your best man at your wedding and watches your kids. What happens when Jesus comes and according to Christian belief, declares all aliens "demons" and "evil" but you can't honestly see that. How do you react? Do you try to stop Jesus from wiping off the face of the earth in whatever battle might ensue? Do people think they are working together in their own hidden agenda with an almigty god? There are thousands of ways to look at it. Are you just supposed to side with the most powerful winner how young kids do when watching a baseball game?

Well in Christian belief the war is already scripted and pre-decided so you don't have a ton of real options. To try to stop Jesus won't affect the outcome and would only get you condemned to Hell. Jesus warns that you're to favor him over even your own mother and family. So best man or not, your alien friend has to be cut off.

DeathMagnetic wrote:

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If you are not a worshipper of Jesus, I don't know why this would be an issue for you.

we all have loved ones who are

Then this is an issue for the loved ones to work out for themselves.


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there's a peacefulness and a rage inside us all.
There's sugar, there is salt,
there's ice and there is fire in every single heart.
There are monsters, there are angels.

nebula wrote:

DeathMagnetic wrote:

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If you are not a worshipper of Jesus, I don't know why this would be an issue for you.

we all have loved ones who are

Then this is an issue for the loved ones to work out for themselves.

Yea sure, have your six year old son "work it out for himself"

Anuatlantian wrote:

Welcome to The Book of THoTH reapsebellator
Very interesting post and looking forward to exchanging views, Theories and Knowledge on the various subjects on this site - Anuatlantian

noticed something, am I the only poster around who got no welcome mat?

feels so "anti"

nebula wrote:

Could I ask ,DM , does your question indirectly relate to the vatican's recent comments on possible alien life forces?

yes, to a certain point, there is so much going on in the world right now with respect to alien vs religion leading up to something very soon.



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Hi DM,


OK, so, you have a 6-year-old son who worships Jesus? But you yourself do not? Or have I misunderstood your posts?

If I haven't, then from where is your 6-year-old getting his understanding of Jesus? Does you 6-year-old comprehend Jesus the way adults do?

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Are you just supposed to side with the most powerful winner how young kids do when watching a baseball game?

This is not something I would do, personally. I'm troubled that young kids would want to do something like this.


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there's a peacefulness and a rage inside us all.
There's sugar, there is salt,
there's ice and there is fire in every single heart.
There are monsters, there are angels.

DeathMagnetic wrote:

I have been reading all these posts and there is a generally accepted theory of what may happen in 2012 with regard to all these alien races, etc. We can see that some are mentioned in the bible as well as other historical documents and then I see people stating "...Jesus, 2nd coming, etc." but how can you honestly believe most of what is posted and maintain any belief that the commonly accepted religious plan? A plan accepted (by the general religious public) involving a God coming down and opening a can of whopass on "Satan"

One has to think, what is Satan in all this if you call "God" your "Annunaki" or other supreme alien? I see people can take this as symbolic and that there really is no God or Satan but then there are others on this forum that take it literal where they see a war between some aliens and then some sort of side battle for the control over humanity as slaves then yet a third side battle between God, Satan and Man involving a judgement day and God's son, Jesus. Then we have others who state all aliens are demons and part of Satan's army brougt about as a diversion except for one race. Then yet others who include all including any kind of Holy race of Angels and someone who appears to be devinely Christ himself as "evil"

It is all very confusing.


Can I have anyones drawn out opinionated story line that explains all these factors in some sort of logical manor that makes sense to your reality (what you believe)?

I must admit long laughter at much of this speculation on late nights.

If ur questioning people and their religeous beliefs, then trust me i wouldnt.
asking or judging someone's beliefs is the same as bring racist. Just saying

i believe that if and only if, we need God to save us then he will send some sort of miracle to save us. But the same in repay we have to do out part is saving us.
God gives us the inspiration and strength to do things everyday, I can say i truely believe in god.

WELCOME DEATHMAGNETIC
I really would like to respond to your query....i am not very eloquent and type too slow for such a drawn out story...have you read any Zecharia Sitchens works? They are quite interesting.
I can relate to having children with someone of differing beliefs....I hope to have a better response asap....Your query is a very important one , I dont have the answer but hope i can help in some way....otherwise at least i can share something amusing


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This will sound satanic and somewhat off topic but I dont really know who the true savior is. Seems to me God just has a better publicist. After all what did Satan do that was so bad besides give knowledge to mankind, is that really that bad?