http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0808/meier-water.html



I find that the effort done by the author of this news article is spectacular. I always tend to find the more intelligible and expressive journalists writing and documenting for rather underground or off-set magazines and websites. Tells you which side of the 'force' has the better gang.



So, look at this article. I don't care if you don't post a reply. At least, read this article!



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Excellent article Nibiru...

I found this link in it of great interest...

http://theyfly.com/lost/meier.prophecies.1958.htm...

Many thanks...


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The link you created does not work. I will look for the original on the article.


Momma, I'm glad you liked it.





Edit: Here is the link Momma tried to make (but she put in "..." at the end of it unknowingly )

http://theyfly.com/lost/meier.prophecies.1958.htm



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One of the many predictions Billy Meier shared:

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Sectarianism will bear bad fruit and will cost many lives through murder and suicide as, also through politics and power lust, in diverse countries, hundreds of thousands of people will be murdered as in the Soviet Union which will be dissolved no later than 1991, and in East Germany which will, however, only exist until the late 80's of this century, thereafter Germany will be reunified, whereby, in contrast, in Iraq a war will be led through the United States of America, through their country's president, however this will be without success, for which reason one of his sons, who will likewise be the U.S.A's head of power, will, in the third millennium, unleash a second war in Iraq which will ultimately lead to an unbelievable disaster and to torturing as well as to mass murder through U.S. armed forces and the rebellious.

How's that for dead-on?



BTW. Billy Meier is still alive.


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Amazing prophecies eh Nibiru ?...

Thanks for correcting the link btw...


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Thank you both. How about this one?

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80.) The time is coming when nobody who speaks for law and order will be heard anymore, as it has already been for a long period of time that none are heard who speak against the religious and sectarian beliefs and painstakingly spread the truthful truth in regard to life, Creation and its laws and directives, which especially will be again, approaching this time, when, in the Third Millennium, a German religious fanatic Pope will assume the pontificate, who believes, through his fanatical belief in god, that he can save the world from its disintegration and downfall.

I had read earlier this year on Billy's website, that skeptic Derek Bartholomaus had withdrawn his negative statements.

How did he think that a simple Farmer like Billy, could in the early to mid-seventies, fake over 800 photographs and several videos, without the aid of modern equipment, such as a computer.

I am always delighted when the skeptics are proved wrong.

Thanks for the Links Nibiru and Momma.

Oookaaayy ...I've never been a Meier fan and always been sceptical of him. But if these "prophecies" are definitely from the 70's i'll have another look.


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Been passing by this article and never read it, thanks so much Nibiru.

This is too cool for words! I can hear the bricks falling as I type.

Thanks for all the links will be very busy reading them. Those predictions alone are

While reading it I was thinking he's still alive, this outing of it all being true, or most of it will bring him danger now. They were counting on his being thought of as a nut. Be safe Billy.


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Amazing prophecies eh Nibiru ?...

Undoubtedly, they are accurate beyond error. I always thought his story to be true because the photographs are not short of impressive, and some years ago I had seen a show where they had said, already, that it was impossible to recreate them as a hoax. Also, in the 70's, a photo analyst with the times current technology for analysis, had shown that the pictures were absolutely real. Maybe, it was in the 80's.

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Thank you both. How about this one?

It's sad that the Vatican still believes we need a pope to control anything. The world is about the population, not just the governments. Someone has to destroy the current separation between government and people so that everyone can be on the same deck of the boat.

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How did he think that a simple Farmer like Billy, could in the early to mid-seventies, fake over 800 photographs and several videos, without the aid of modern equipment, such as a computer.

They figured it would be fun to keep up the fight, since poor Billy was such an awesome target due to his humility and open-arms to anyone about anything. Also, it was the one case which needed to be kept as a potential (which pretty much puts it, officially, as PROVEN) hoax for themselves to not coil in fear of what they don't know and the governments had an easier time dealing with cover-ups. Of course, the world has such an open mind nowadays, except for a few punks.




Billy will be alright, he'll probably already have sensed that his whole story has caught the public eye again. He'll do the best to help this planet and humanity on it.




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Okay
I can see by the way this thread is going that i'm going to have to inject a serious dose of realism here.You can vote to have my MOD status revoked if you like
Fist off let me admit that at first i was so intrigued by this thread that i actually shamelessly plagerised it (as is my wont) and started it here......
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=132435&st=15
...To my shame i've only just now opened your origial link , and to my horror i see it was written by Michael Horn if you dont know Michael Horn .research him - he peddles Billy's plastic dinosaurs off as the real thing ...he's of the dark side and appears to be one of billy's cults most prominent leaders.The guy's meshugena ,basically.
theyfly.com AND Fugo.com are "billy propoganda sites"...sorry guys but that's the way it is.If i had opened the link initially i would not have even started the topic elsewhere.......you can stone me now, but bfore you do ...look at Michael Horn in action.
If anyone can provide an independent link proving that someone OTHER than Billy or Michael can show these writings were done even before 1990 i'll reconsider my opinion ...till then.
BTW
When you go to that link have a look at Morrissons photo of Billy's purported alien holding a ray gun....if that doesn't work...maybe nothing will.
As a moderator on this site i'm issuing the instruction to us all ....shape up here people
I've just been reminded that maybe i've become sloppy. Only the most critical eyes will move the cause forward
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bogeyman wrote:

Oookaaayy ...I've never been a Meier fan and always been sceptical of him. But if these "prophecies" are definitely from the 70's i'll have another look.

As with John Titor, it appears that many of these "prophecies" have been added to, edited, and further tinkered with over the past several decades.

Also, the proposal that water/ice would be discovered on Mars has been around for many decades and did not begin with Meier.

One armed or not, it's quite clear that a great majority of Meier's footage and photos are fairly easily faked, if you've got a little bit of time on your hand (s)...

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I've just been reminded that maybe i've become sloppy. Only the most critical eyes will move the cause forward

I appreciate Meier as a hoaxter, in that regard he's one of the best. And, hey, if you can get a positive message out there in the meantime, all the better.


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So, Meier is a proven hoaxer? I haven't read that article yet! Show me some evidence and corroboration!


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What a fantastic thread!!!

You know..I never knew much about UFOs and ET until 2002, when my sightings started up again. Then it was a few years later..I found this place. It was only then did I have my eyes open to so much going on around us..including Miers.

I heard almost immediately that he was a hoax, liar..and could not be trusted...so I paid no heed to him as I would not have without outside opinion.

The links that you have provided and the ones within the links are very concrete in what they present.

I have to agree with you Nibiru, show me the proof of these lies. When has it been proven that "Billy" is a fraud?

I know how people are made out to be freaks, liars..unstable...hoaxers...when they step up with true matters that for some..seem to unbelievable. That is how the government has operated for over 60 years..on this subject. Make sure there is ample doubt on the matter.

It does seem that people would STILL rather carry on the governments dirty work for them.

As the articles read..there has been NO ONE that has been able to duplicate what has been presented by Billy...even the ones with lots of time on their hands, have not been able to do so..SO as they say...talk is cheap...when it comes to anyone saying they could duplicate the same...and then never do.

I say well done Niburu..and thank you.

I see why some feel the need to yell fake..

It is because Billy was allowed to experience what most do not. People ALWAYS yell fake or not real or these are lies...when they do not understand...or when coerced by the government or media to act this way.

I have respect for Billy...I read people..and looking at his picture and reading Billy..I see he is not as others have made him to be. He does have a LOT of knowledge from his encounters...and he has been a victim of lies told about him.


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Okaaaay

First off .....I'd never do any governments work for them....A rebel till i die
Second off ...maybe i've been at this too long, Meier blew any credibility he may have had years ago...i will give links
3rd.....No one is doing anyone any favours by swallowing BMs BS hook line and sinker....that is merely being gullible...simple as that.


Start here

http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/ike42report.htm
http://thebiggestsecret.online.fr/ufo/billy_meier_smoking_gun.htm

I'm presuming that everyone knows that Billy's wife came out and said he was a total fake?...and that a reporter found a scaled model of one of his UFOs in a barn?.
Debunking Billy Meier is like shooting fish in a barrel ...so dont be too quick to come to his defence


Will try get a better one of this but check out Billy's picture of Alien with Ray Gun
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=45436



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Hi guys,

Nothing to add to your discussion just came across this thought might enjoy it...

(click me) UFO Sighting video filmed by the famous Billy Meier

cheers

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Okaaaay

First off .....I'd never do any governments work for them....A rebel till i die
Second off ...maybe i've been at this too long, Meier blew any credibility he may have had years ago...i will give links
3rd.....No one is doing anyone any favours by swallowing BMs BS hook line and sinker....that is merely being gullible...simple as that.


Start here

http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/ike42report.htm
http://thebiggestsecret.online.fr/ufo/billy_meier_smoking_gun.htm

I'm presuming that everyone knows that Billy's wife came out and said he was a total fake?...and that a reporter found a scaled model of one of his UFOs in a barn?.
Debunking Billy Meier is like shooting fish in a barrel ...so dont be too quick to come to his defence


Will try get a better one of this but check out Billy's picture of Alien with Ray Gun
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=45436

Ok, so he hung the enormous models from a zeppelin which he owns. Wait, he doesn't own a zeppelin. So, he hung the models from a crane... Wait, no... he doesn't have a crane. Mmm.... I'm out of ideas.


I know about all the "evidence" to debunk Billy Meier, that site I posted is not the first information I get about him. I have been aware of him and have studied his situation for well over 5 years.


The wife coming out saying he's fake is mostly regarded as her trying to get the media away because there was too much commotion. Why didn't Billy say it himself?


The pictures that are from text books are intriguing, and whilst there are those who say it was just a fake excuse, others say some time-traveling was involved and someone replaced the pictures. I,personally, have no idea but I do believe a set-up could be involved. Of course, this fact does create a lot of haze around the subject.... BUT!..................


ONE person, ONE company... Just ONE that recreates the images we see. The fact that the objects (the craft, unless you don't think they are) ARE there, far away, in the sky. I'm saying this because of the image analysis not because I just think so.


Where is that ONE person, that ONE company? They, themselves, have admitted to fail at any recreation of the events.


Bogeyman, I quickly reviewed your articles, and I'm sure I have seen them before. The second article is pitiful. Just because he is making something which contains images similar to those in Billy's pictures, but completely inept at actually looking real (unlike Billy's), doesn't mean they're any good. A lot of fancy talk to present his "bases" and then a couple of pictures which are very, very bad recreations. Image analysis would EASILY tell that those objects are not at a par with the reference objects (trees, cars, etc.) in the pictures, as they are in Billy's.


The first article is just a long analysis about strange coincidences which the author fails to actually connect since all he did was tangle up Billy's information with news articles.


Sure, some of the things a person can say when offering insight into the future may be partially known. But, I ask you what the bigger picture adds up to.



Anyways, I just want to see ONE person recreate what Billy photographed. Why, if so easily done by a farmer in the 70s, is it so hard? Mmm...

I appreciate all insight.



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For the Skeptics.

Quote by Derek Bartholomaus, the Top Skeptic who retracted his hoax claims, about Billy Meier's photographs.

"I will also agree with Horn (Michael) that the photograph section of the short version of my lecture was the weakest part of my presentation"

For the full story click on the Link below:-

http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash91/top_skeptic_fixed.htm

Good link. Thank you.

A few years ago, six to be exact, a few friends and I messed around with burning steel wool. We got it on tape. I don't have access to the video, as I have changed computers numerous times and did not move all the information. I had put the video up on a website but the website has since changed owners and my account no longer exists.

I will try to find out if any of my friends still has the video.


I was the one who made the steel wool on fire spin, releasing chunks of fire bits all over the place. You could see them clearly, they fly very far. Yet, you don't see them in Billy's picture.


Good link.


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This might be of interest:

http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash4/m_vogel.htm

Extract from website:

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Marcel Vogel: Research chemist for IBM for twenty-two years, held thirty-two patents, and invented the magnetic disk coating memory system still used in IBM disk memories.

A specialist in the conversion of energy inside crystals, Vogel probed crystalline structures with the most complete optical microscopic equipment available in the world - a system of scanning electron microscopes costing $250,000. Lieut. Col. Wendelle Stevens, USAF (Ret.): One of the original investigators in the Meier case. In 1979, he sent Vogel crystals and metal samples Meier had received from the Plejarens. Vogel reported, "When I touched the oxide with a stainless steel probe, red streaks appeared and the oxide coating disappeared. I just touched the metal like that, and it started to deoxidize and become a pure metal. I have never seen a phenomenon like that before." Of another metal sample containing nearly every element in the periodic table, Vogel stated, "Each pure element was bonded to each of the others, yet somehow retained its own identity." At 500 X magnification thulium was revealed. "Thulium exists only in minute amounts. It is exceedingly expensive, far beyond platinum, and rare to come by. Someone would have to have an extensive metallurgical knowledge even to be aware of a composition of this type", said Vogel. At 1600 X Vogel said, "A whole new world appears in the specimen. There are structures within structures - very unusual." At 2500 X he found that the sample was, "metal, but at the same time ... it is crystal!"

Vogel put the full weight of his expertise in these summary comments: "With any technology that I know of, we could not achieve this on this planet! I could not put it together myself, as a scientist... And I think it is important that those of us who are in the scientific world sit down and do some serious study on these things instead of putting it off as people's imagination." Again, here is another top-level scientific specialist who is unable to duplicate the material presented to him by Meier.

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