The Book Of THoTH

It only took 1 guy a couple of weeks to make this huge art display, using only a STICK.


Well, even without aliens, this art is more than mind-boggling in its scale. It's planet-altering.

Jim Denevan made the world's largest freehand drawing a few weeks ago on a dry lake in Nevada. How big is it? Three miles across, which took 100 miles of walking to draw the pattern:

-LINK FURTHER SHEDS LIGHT ON THE ENORMITY OF THE STRUCTURE-

Yes, I know that most crop formations are done overnight, but this thing is over THREE MILES, done in only a couple weeks by a single man, using a stick! Pretty amazing sight really and a tribute to human ingenuity and creativity.

I'm not getting any perspective form this at all. The fact that crop circles can be made by man is no mystery. It'd take a rather undeveloped awareness to believe that there is no way man can somehow alter the orientation of a crop and eventually make a large image which can be admired from a distance.

The crop circle "phenomena" is in itself the conglomeration of mesmerizing facts which include their fabrication in a matter of hours or less, the sighting of orbs (clearly filmed in fact), and the radioactive presence and stimulation on the crops as well as the over-whelming amount and extension of them along the planet.


I'm glad that guy made something nice with a stick, though. Must have been refreshing to finish it!


Peace, love and light.

According to Linda Howe and Richard Hoagland, it's virtually impossible!



I've seen a few video depictions of "orbs" in action during crop circle formations. Needless to say I wasn't convinced that it was anything but a sprinkle of low budget CGI.



Yeah, 3 miles worth of circles, 100 miles of walking, and it got washed away a week later!

It could be a hoax, but I believe it, we've all seen similar monumental works of art, done over the course of thousands of feet, in a very short period of time.

Just saying, crop circles are interesting, but very small in comparison to a 3 mile structure done by 1 man in the course of a couple weeks using nothing more than a tree branch.



If you get no perspective from 1 man making this in 14 days, then I feel a little sorry for you.

I'm not getting any perspective into the phenomenon of crop circles.


Let me rephrase my original post.


Ehem...



Crop circles that display the attributes of radioactive presence and stimulation on the stalk and having been formed in a matter of hours or less, with orbs often spotted around them, are a phenomenon. These are unexplained in terms of conventional explanations or hoax debauchery (in the archaic sense of the word).

Crop circles which contain none of these attributes and have even been filmed whilst on the making by the hands, and tools, of men are no mystery at all, and nobody claims them to be.


Again, this adds no perspective to the phenomenon (as formerly presented) of crop circles.


I don't believe that man's creation to be a hoax, nor the explanation regarding the period of two+ weeks to make it as being a lie.


In all honesty, and free of subjection, I do not understand how my original post didn't come off as a clear message to you, as I did not go around in rodeos. Maybe, you're just trying to keep this thread alive.

I hope you don't feel sorry for me, because mentioned inappropriate energy (feeling sorry for anything is awful; things are what they are) will go right back at you.



Peace, love and light.

Mad30.


They have responded to your thread:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/080808/080808.html




Peace,love and light

You are right MAD30 .. it IS an amazing feat of human endurance and skill....and an awesome piece of Artwork... but I am not too sure what * as per the title * the perspective is with crop circles..... ?
Are you measuring one phenomena against another? for what reason ?



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Niburu


The presence of radiation or genetically mutated stalks in crop circle formations is incredibly rare in comparison to the whole phenomenon. In any event, this could potentially be explained by SCALAR technology, which would in fact be sending plasma energy beams via satellite down into these fields, from within earth's orbit, and thus still be man made for the purpose of perpetuating the myth of "otherworldly" manufacturing.

http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm

I believe there just might be satellites in orbit which are capable of "beaming down" these elaborate patterns into fields, which could be the reason that electromagnetic radiation (rarely) is found with these patterns. As far as orbs, they have been reported on numerous occassions, yet only filmed on a few instances, seemingly looking like 10 seconds of low budget CGI work.

You can only take "first hand accounts of orbs in the vacinity" with so much legitimacy, as that is based on hearsay with no evidence other than an eye witness to back it up (who then appears on Coast to Coast AM with Linda Howe).

You might be interested to find as well that "crop circles" actually go back a few hundred years, known in the 17th - 19th Century as "mowing devils", with patterns that were far less monumental and impressive than they currently are in the modern age. It seems to me to show a level of skill which has increased over the centuries, with the big reemergence coming in the 90's, to coincide with Cattle Mutilation cases from the previous decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle



Yes, but here's the thing, that man made that 3 mile formation by himself about two months ago. Did anybody hear about it at the time of it's happening? Unlike the new "figure 8" formation, did his story get presented on Coast to Coast, Rense, and a dozen other UFO related websites the day after it occurred? No it didn't because they would rather perpetuate the myth of this ominous and otherworldly factor instead of showing that 1 man can make a 3 mile structure by himself using only a stick.

To me, it's inspiring that a man could make something like that in a little over a week, and also brings to mind stories of Coral Castle, which took 28 years to build (with more than just Edward Leedskalnin possibly working on the structure) , yet we hear about that tale every other week for years and years on end.

And Linda Howe will undoubtedly comment on the "Figure 8" symbol soon telling us how unbelievable it is, and how there's really no way that human beings could have made it, so it must come from aliens from another planet and she just can't wait to meet our makers from the stars.

Newbs


Hello, well if you follow the initial link I posted, their first sentence speaks of aliens, reminding one of the crop circle phenomenon, and in fact this same story was posted at 2 different blogs which I visit in the last few days.

The first was with the title "Forget about Crop Circles!", and the second was "Take that Linda Howe!"... So, really, just running with the theme here.

You've got teams of people working on most crop circles, compared to 1 guy who is stated as having made the largest piece of art work on earth in a 3 mile radius.

To me, there is an obvious comparison to this man's art, and the crop circle phenomenon. And once again, the prevelance of radiation being discovered at crop circle sites is rare and might be explained in conjunction with Scalar technology, which can create these formations from earth's orbit using satellites.

I'm starting to think you're just trying to keep this thread alive. I don't understand how the man taking two or more weeks to make that formation has anything to do with the phenomenon of crop circles; the ones that display the radiated stalks, etc, etc...

Sure, they could be the product of government satellites, although I highly doubt it. Emissions would surely be picked up by various labs and antenna. I also don't see the military or government people having any kind of interest in the spiritual messages which can be understood, if third eye is open and active, from these circles. How about the crop formation showing the strange being holding the disc? Or, the one with the answer to the Arecibo message. Sure, government, if sufficiently sly and technologically advanced, could be behind this as dis-info. If that's your theory, then I understand. I don't agree.


I don't see how the man creating that formation has anything to do with the phenomenon and therefore I don't disagree with the lack of air-time on paranormal and other radios regarding it. There's many other formations which are man-made, on crop, and they don't get air-time because... well, they aren't a mystery since it is known who made them. They also don't display the COMMON inexplicable phenomenon such as the time they were made in and the radiation and the rest of the phenomenon.

Ed Leedskalnin said himself that he was using a method known to ancient architects requiring the use of electromagnetic forces, so of course the phenomenon of him alone building Coral Castle has continued appraisal.

On another note; as much as I consider the formation made by that man a few months ago to be impressive in size, I don't see anything in it regarding the actual construction method which calls for awe. It was a branch, but I actually don't see anything else needed to do what he did. I'm not discrediting him on any angle, he did what he did with what he needed to do it so he would receive all the credit.



Peace, love and light.

No offense to you, but my only response was that you, Nibiru, just blew this off for no real reason, acting as if you were totally unimpressed by 1 guy creating a 3 mile concentric work of art with a stick. I find that more inspiring than "mysterious" crop circles made by a team of people in the night, showing Kabbalistic sacred geometry patterns.

If I had posted it as "The World's biggest man made work of art", in the General Discussion area, I probably would have received no response whatsoever, but when I include Crop Circles into the mix, I automatically get some kind of resistance to the idea.

As stated, the initial link I posted compared this to crop circles by using the term "aliens" in the very first sentence, and the other blogs that have posted this also make the connection between this art and crop circle art.

Mac Tonnies has this posted at his blog, a writer for SETI over the past several years looking for ET life, and his statement is basically that this is more impressive than the crop circles he's seen, based on 1 man's hard work. He's a noted 'UFOlogist' who compared this man's work to crop circles, so it isn't like I'm the only one to make the connection.

Is it just about the "mystery" then? The fact that we don't know who makes all the crop circles, as opposed to a guy who admits that he created this 3 mile structure which is 10 times bigger than most crop circle designs?

As for Ed Leedskalnin, it's all based on his own accounts, with no record of his method or means, or even proof that he didn't have other people helping him over this 28 year period of time. It is interesting, beautiful in its own way, and a tourist attraction, but I totally don't believe that he was utilizing electromagnetic energy beams in order to levitate stones and such. There would have to be a much more logical explanation based on an extremely capable lever and pulley system.



Again, radiation isn't really that common, and even if so, it's entirely possible for men to leave radiation remnants just to add to the mystery of it all. I'm impressed by crop circle designs, but have no evidence or proof that this is anything but man made, no matter whether it originated from a space satellite or otherwise.

Just hearing Linda Howe endlessly talk about it, determined to make us all believe that aliens are responsible, is enough to make me completely think they are man made. By the way, I've been aware of Howe's work for over a decade now, and first read her "Mysterious Lights and Crop Circles" about 8 years ago.

Ok, I'm done "keeping this thread alive" then. I didn't know that merely responding to a thread I left less than 24 hours ago was considered me trying to keep this thread alive?

I'm sorry. I've been an artist all my life. I'm not personally astounded by what that man did.


Maybe, you should have practiced your true intention with this information instead of phasing it into a more interesting sphere of thought by protruding allegories to the crop circle phenomenon.

I'm glad you have found a fascination in this, since it seems to light up your wires.


Why do you listen to Linda Howe if you don't like her approach?


Radiation and the split-stalk phenomenon are both present on a large quantity of the unexplained crop formations.

I'm not resisting any idea of yours, I'm just not sure how this adds any perspective to crop circles. Personally, I was only truly confounded when I found out about the radiation factor and the time span they appeared within. The fractal reality and beauty of them was a big progenitor for my curiosity.

I don't, personally, feel astounded by what that man did. Only because it's really not that hard to do what he did, if you have the means to keep yourself alive and the support from endorsements, family and friends.

It's beautiful, what he did, no question about it.


Peace, love and light.

Well...there ya go. It certainly shows that circles are not hard to make even with just a stick.
IMO all crop circles are man made artistic designs and I don't even bother to argue the point anymore since many groups have come forward in England and have made them for ads and admitted to doing them. Williams was even caught doing one and has a you tube video explaining how they do them.. for crying out loud.

For all those who think aliens or Mother GAIA are making them I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida.

Dr Wu


I'm open to a couple other possibilities, such as the existence of orbs and ball lightning, but pretty much 100% agree with you in the fact that they have ALL been man made, at least the complex geometrical patterns. I get so tired of these "It's got to be aliens!" theories, even if there are sometimes traces of radiation, or genetically mutated stalks. As if there's no other logical explanation besides "aliens"...?

Just for the record, the possibility of the manufacturing of these as responsibility of advanced beings doesn't rule out that these beings actually live on our planet.

Admiral Byrd, anyone?


Peace, love and light.

Well from the looks of that link, he wasn't quit alone. That was quite a table spread and a very nice bus.

And all I can say is that guy is totally crazy!!!!! In this flubbin' heat!? He's crazy!!!! I've seen his art before and it's totally awesome, but he's flubbin' crazy. For what would be the point of this? Only to have it rained away my god if only I had the time and money to be so crazy.



ALL crop circles are man made? One guy was caught making one and they are ALL man made? dr_wu are you one of the skeptics from the Larry King ufo shows? You know, the one with the little mustash, white hair? Sorry, can't remember his name. As much as you think we are crazy to believe that cc's might come from ET's you are much crazier.

I meant that in a loving way.



Yes, definately this has given advertising companies a good idea and they have done this for ads. But surely you can't say all these cc's have been in adverts? If they were, they failed miserably.

There's some very strange "logic" at work here, it seems to me.

I'm unclear on just how it is that dragging a stick while walking in sloppy loops equates with the intricate regularity of crop circle formations. I mean, look at the bulk of that three miles... it's empty space broken by "art" comparable to what my son put on our refrigerator as a preschooler.

This is a parallel to the milk hill CC?

MIT couldn't duplicate the features of classic CC's within an equivalent timeframe, even by cheating on part of the specs. I doubt Doug and Dave carted around a portable mircowave unit.

Personally I don't think anyone anywhere has any idea what all is going on, and the assorted opinions are nothing more than just that: emotional comfort zone positions. All that varies is who draws comfort from what conclusion.



Tiger

Eh, bugger it, I'm done debating the obvious.

It has nothing to do with my "comfort zone".

Say what? Debate has to mean agreement? Or am I misreading?



Tiger

Nope... But perpetual and eternal debate where nobody ever changes any of their initial opinions, and nothing is ever resolved, can sometimes be a bit exhaustive and redundant.

Bingo! Give the man a ceegar!

I suppose we do have our set minds here, after all we got this together because we were of like mind. We tried to show how some things were not as portrayed. Mainly because we all have had things go on that were not explained if even given a thought, besides HA! Your looney tunes!

I give this guy credit! Flub! I give him hail mary's and all!!! To do this in the climate he did is astounding! And I appreciate a human doing this. But first I have to ask why? (sorry haven't read the whole link) and I guess I have to say why would this have anything to do with CC's as per subject title? This is totally different, that's all.

Why are smaller circles in a wheat field, as opposed to larger circles in a dried up lake bed, so different?

Unrelated? Yes, somewhat.

Irrelevant? No, not really.



Giant Israeli flag breaks world record for largest in world:
The huge blue and white Israeli flag, 660 meters (2,165 feet) long and 100meters (330 feet) wide and weighing 5.2 metric tons, breaks the record for the world's largest, according to the Tourism Ministry.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/927830.html

Jim Denevan is known as the Sandman, for his drawings in beach sand at low tide. They are meant to be ephemeral and get erased when the tide returns.

To my knowledge, he does not work in grain fields with growing plants. IMO what he does is a separate issue from crop circles. They both happen to be "earth works," but there the similarity ends. Same as "La Boheme" and "Smells Like Teen Spirit" both happen to have singing, but you cannot say they are the same thing.

Nebula


Why not? Please explain.

Please explain why I should be convinced we're dealing with extraterrestrials from another planet or dimension that want to teach us Kabbalah...

Please, don't be so near-sighted. This is turning into a terrible and childish discussion where the absence of evidence is allowing for the denial of existence.

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

I think that's as far as we can take this subject, for now. Some may be able to take it further and some may be able to not understand it at all. It's like what Nebula said, to some "La Boheme" and "Smells Like Teen Spirit" may be the exact same, to others there are outstanding distinctions. These distinctions have been already provided in this thread, and they have not been debunked in the field of science. Just as Billy Meier hasn't, either.



Peace, love and light.

Out of pure curiosity, how do those who don't believe any crop circles to be more than human installations explain these formations?



Here is a link with information about this formation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHzlfpmqric




Here is a link with information about this formation: http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/arecibo.html




Here is a link with information about this formation: http://www.geocities.com/ptolen/faceonearth.html


Peace, love and light

I see no comparison with sand circles and crop circles..because there is none..other than..the circular perspective.

I would love to see ANYONE make a crop circle with a stick..like this as an example.






I see you as saying that they are of the same..and all man made... If that's right...You are not even close to presenting anything of substance.
..and if that is not your point..I just don't get it..

And that's probably being generous to the sand art. The effort required to make a sand drawing that big is noteworthy but I don't see much relation to crop circles. Crop circle designs are remarkably intricate and neat. In the sand drawing the "circles" are actually oblong shapes that get increasingly irregular the further out they go. If the outer shapes can still be considered circles at all they look like circles that have had a few too many to drink.

Niburu


You're right, it is childish to debate with people who have their minds set that aliens and orbs are responsible for crop circles and wish to continue arguing the fact for no reason. Hey Niburu, I wrote you about a week ago through PM about this subject but you never wrote back, yet still wish to debate on the public forum?

You want to believe so badly, have convinced yourselves that you're right, that you're part of some special "club of believers", that you're no longer capable of seeing any other perspective besides your own. You're only hearing the parts that you want to hear, and ignoring everything else to fit your own belief system. I'm convinced that half of what I write at BOT doesn't even get read before people are already responding to the parts they disagree with.

I guess you're all just so much more mature and informed than I am, so really there's no sense in me continuing to reply to this thread, is there? Believe what you wish, means very little to me. Good luck when the mothership beams you aboard, obviously you'll be "taken" because you "believe", while I'll have to remain here after the alien rapture because of my suspicion and skepticism.

Entity


Crop circles are boring and stupid, they mean nothing besides what you make them believe, and they're all hoaxes. "Oooh, big geometric patterns in a wheat field created by a team of 10 guys! Woweee! They must be advanced aliens from another planet."

They in no way effect my life or any of your lives, other than the fact that you choose to be mystified by them. I'm not mystified by them anymore, I've been researching them for 10 years, realize that people like Linda Howe are government operatives and liars, and now I'm bored with the subject, it's done, and they mean absolutely nothing to me besides some Kabbalistic bullcrap meant to brainwash people into the "alien agenda" that the "ancient astronauts are returning".

It's a con for the lazy minded, naive, and ill informed. It's a commercial for sacred geometry and Kabbalah.

I'd like to see anybody here creating ANYTHING 3 miles in circumference with a stick, and then tell me how "sloppy" it is or complain about having a bus there with you that you can sleep in, and get accused of being a "crazy rich guy with too much time on his hands". Three miles in diameter DWARFS any crop circle ever made, and we're debating "sand art isn't like crop art"... What?!

That's like saying Braille books aren't like regular books. OK, but they're still both BOOKS, aren't they? Or like saying the Russian language isn't like the English language, OK, but they're still both LANGUAGES aren't they? You people seem to not recognize the relationship of sand and crop art, simply because you DON'T WANT TO SEE. You want to believe what you want to believe, and that's fine. Go on believing whatever you want. I could really care less.

You're arguing and debating, just to argue and debate. I'm bored with it and tired of having to debate with multiple people at the same time who seemingly all believe the same exact thing with a united pig headed resolve.

Go ahead, keep being mystified and astonished, keep perpetuating the alien hoaxes, keep lying to your brothers and sisters of the human race for some elitist agenda that you don't even fully understand.



Please write an article or book or something and "school me" on the subject then. Please tell me something I don't know about the subject which proves alien manipulation, because that would be nice.

REX


Still not beyond human hands and agendas. People originally drew many these sigils and symbols in BOOKS over the past hundreds of years. But we know that humans drew these symbols, just because they're bigger now in a field of wheat, doesn't make them something beyond human comprehension.




"Lead, follow, or get out of the way."
~Thomas Paine.

Where do we, each of us, stand in this equation? I just see a lot of followers around here, and I'm done apologizing about it.

Niburu


Billy Meier has been debunked since I first started reading about him at 12 years old.

Well MAD..if you have spent 10 years researching the subject..I must admit to having a few years yet to arrive at a definite conclusion as you have..although up to now..I find that..to me..some of these crop circles cannot be explained away as being man made..and they mystify me..

As an aside...is it an American expression to say ''I could care less'' ?..I notice a lot of people say this..as in the UK we say..''I couldn't care less''...Just curious...