Very brief history of testing military authority, and controlled opposition.

Egypt VS Jews (Yahweh created miracles in order for the Jews to supposedly defeat the Pharaoh. Not only slaves, there were many Jews who were key creators of the pyramids and monuments, chief among high-priests).

Jews VS Canaanites (A genuine test of forces, but they eventually merged, after hundreds of years of civil war and turmoil, into a "Phoenician" society. Their union gave us our modern day English language).

Aryans VS India (The "Aryans" were primarily from modern day Iran and invaded India in 1400 BC. They basically merged their own religious system overlapping the native beliefs of the Indian people. Over time, their merger of peoples became mutual and accustomed).

Ireland VS Rome (Ireland, debate-ably an offshoot of the Israelies and Canaanites, fighting many great battles with the Romans, who were themselves Greek and Aryan influenced. The Greeks were heavily influenced by ancient Sumer and Egypt).

Christianity VS Rome (A re-imagining of the vegetative "dying and rising god", millions died so that this merger of cultures might take place).

Vatican VS Secret Societies (Controlled opposition shell game most notable by the fact that Illuminati founder Adam Weishaupt was a Jesuit. The "Fall" of the Knights Templar was just a visible disbandment, in order to restate the Vatican's authority and give strength to the Mason lodges, which were still socially acceptable).

Templars VS Islamic Assassins (There are many researchers who believe that the Templars and Assassins were actually working together in order to ensure more bounty and reward for guarding the holy sites of pilgrimage).

Nazis VS Europe (Zionism is extremely strong behind the scenes in the rise of Nazi power, as is the Vatican).

US VS Russia (How many Jewish or Catholic Russians are there, 50 million? Ensuring that the nuclear bogey man is ever looming. Submit!).

America VS Iraq (Saddam was propped up by the CIA, yet he strayed too far from the script, he didn't want to lose power, knew that he would be defeated. US/ISRAEL/INTERNATIONAL FORCES need the territory for the globalist NWO. It's prime land, and the oil!).

Israel VS Iran (Going back thousands of years, the Iranian Aryans and Israelites have been working together behind the scenes. Best exemplified by the propping of up the Shah).

Every single account involves "mystical" Jewish subterfuge, primarily written and recorded by Jewish scholars. With the strong-hold being based in Europe, and the United States being the military branch of globalist expansion.

I'd like to get to the ROOT as to why this is the case.



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Stick with me Anunnaki researchers.

White man was "God" and the Jewish were his first "genetic experiment" The seed of knowledge in the Garden of Eden was actually a prohibition against over-breeding. White man is the Father, Jews are the Son, other races are the "tribes" of Israel.

Based around a foundation of solar/lunar worship, fertility rituals, phallic worship, and veneration of the sacred cow and bull for all the resources that they provide.

Surely this topic could go a million different ways right now.

Keep in mind, I'm in no way racially motivated in my posting.

It just seems apparent that the EXACT SAME shell game has been going on for 8000 years. Always involving Whites and Jews.

Two controlled opposition dynamos that keep human sociology going around and around.


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Sounds a bit anti-semitic to me fella, how do you reconcile the huge timeline differences in your suggestion, I mean between the jews and the sumerians?


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Hey THoTH, it's in no way antisemitic, any more so than exposing Zionism is antisemitic. I'm not racist but an equal opportunity bigot regardless of ethnicity.

As for the time delay, the Bible itself tells us that Abraham was from the land of Sumer, visiting Egypt. All art work from the early Sumerian era clearly shows depictions of Semitic (Jewish) looking peoples. Israel was established roughly 1500 BC, while Sumer had already become known as Babylon under Akkadian rule at some 2300 BC. .

The Jews, according to the Bible, had been around for at least 1000 years prior to the establishment of Israel, responsible for Egyptian pyramid building, so really there is no gap in the timeline. The Jews were around long before Israel, and are stated as initially coming out of Sumer, according to the Bible itself.

Joseph (coat of many colors) was declared "father to Pharaohs" and the Bible makes no denial of the fact that he was a highly powerful and high ranking Jewish Priest in Egypt, eventually making way for the Exodus under Moses, generations later.

In fact, I'm inclined to believe that the powerful priest Joseph of Egypt, given a royal Egyptian burial according to Biblical texts, was the forebearer for Joseph, the father of Jesus Christ.

The influence of Sumerian art and architecture on Egyptian society is well noted, though often denied and covered-up.

Initially Sumer consisted of Aryans and Jews, with an intermingling of a few other races which were usually under the class system of "indentured servants".

OK, say that Jews are "God" and White man are the "Son", does that sound less antisemitic then? Seems more antisemitic to equate the Jews to "Reptilians" as researchers like Icke have done throughout his career.

You know what is racist though? The Talmud and other Hebrew texts which states that all non-Jews are goyim and cattle to be abused, that they are sub-human, and that only Jews should intermingle with Jews. That sounds racist to me.

I'm not against the Jewish people, but I am against the notion of Zionism, which is a far older concept than just the 20th Century. The rise and fall of every major civilization has always had a hierarchy of powerful Jewish Elites at the helm, behind the scenes.

That's not racist mate, that's just fact.

And no, I'm not a fan of Mel Gibson, I think he's just a tool.

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I find it a shame that there's such a stigma on this topic, that any time the term "Jew" is used in any kind of negative light, it's considered somehow racist.


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I see where you're coming from though THoTH, as this is a sensitive topic and easily misconstrued as being racist against Jews, Caucasians, or both. Which is why so many researchers avoid it all costs and will instead do circles and circles around it, almost guarding the gates, of the eye of the storm.

I'm personally interested in covering subjects, discussion, that isn't normally expressed within the "conspiracy community". There's a lot of "Jew Bashing" out there, probably a lot of it is infiltration by Zionism itself, but there isn't much attempt to actually get to the core of the matter and how (and why) it's influenced the whole of human history.

Just following the money trail, or Jew-El-Re trail, as it were..

"And the Lord said unto me, a conspiracy is found among the men of Judah and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem."
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Why are Jews being treated as a race here? It's oddly confusing and I can't really figure out what's intended.

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Stick with me Anunnaki researchers.

White man was "God" and the Jewish were his first "genetic experiment" The seed of knowledge in the Garden of Eden was actually a prohibition against over-breeding. White man is the Father, Jews are the Son, other races are the "tribes" of Israel.

This is alot like saying Christians were a genetic experiment. Producing "Jews" was a genetic experiment between White men and...what?

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As for the time delay, the Bible itself tells us that Abraham was from the land of Sumer, visiting Egypt. All art work from the early Sumerian era clearly shows depictions of Semitic (Jewish) looking peoples.

The classification of "Semitic" is primarily one of language and secondarily one of geographical origin. The Sumerians were in no way Jewish.

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The Jews, according to the Bible, had been around for at least 1000 years prior to the establishment of Israel, responsible for Egyptian pyramid building, so really there is no gap in the timeline. The Jews were around long before Israel, and are stated as initially coming out of Sumer, according to the Bible itself.

Joseph (coat of many colors) was declared "father to Pharaohs" and the Bible makes no denial of the fact that he was a highly powerful and high ranking Jewish Priest in Egypt, eventually making way for the Exodus under Moses, generations later.

Jews couldn't have been around this early and neither Abraham or Joseph are identified as Jews. What are you intending "Jews" to mean here? Semitic people? Mesopotamians? Anyone of Abraham's bloodline?

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OK, say that Jews are "God" and White man are the "Son", does that sound less antisemitic then? Seems more antisemitic to equate the Jews to "Reptilians" as researchers like Icke have done throughout his career.

I've never known Icke to equate Jews with reptilians and it's surprising that you'd say that since Icke's stance seems to be similar to yours. That people erroneously equate NWO elite Zionists with Jews is part of his point.

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I'm not against the Jewish people, but I am against the notion of Zionism...

"Zionism is not the Jewish people, it is a political movement. Many Jews do not support it, many non-Jews do. To say that Zionism is the Jewish people is like saying the Democratic Party is the American people. Yet to challenge the extremes of Zionism is to be called anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish.

What utter balls."--David Icke



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Why are Jews being treated as a race here? It's oddly confusing and I can't really figure out what's intended.

Hey man. Do not the "Jews" consider themselves a race, in the line of David, heralding from Israel and out of Egyptian bondage? If I were Jewish, and not a white guy with Native American background saying this same thing, there would be no opposition to my statements.

Yes, I'm aware of the theory that the term "Jew" didn't really originate until the Rothschild occupation of "New Israel" after WWII, but for my intents here (and the widespread usage of this term) I'm equating "Jews" as the people of the Bible, from the lineage of Abraham , who established Israel in the area of Canaan at roughly 1500 BC.

I'm not even going to get into the idea that the majority of modern day Israelis aren't even of the original bloodline of the Jews, but instead are Khazars from the nearby mountains who were basically paid to come down and say they were the inheritors of Israel.

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Jews couldn't have been around this early and neither Abraham or Joseph are identified as Jews.

OK, then let's say "Jews" originated with Israel at 1500 BC, but had hundreds of generations going back millennium before into Egypt and Sumer.

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This is alot like saying Christians were a genetic experiment. Producing "Jews" was a genetic experiment between White men and...what?

Again, take it from the "Anunnaki" account. It was a process of experimentation which brought forth various races, the "Jews" among them.

Or, likewise, the "Jews" were the first to come down from the mountains, while their ancestors stayed in their caves, and became more "Caucasian" over time, eventually used for political and religious purposes. This took place over 10,000 years, prior to Sumer.

Either way you look at it, there is a "Father and Son" element, whichever people you see being the father or son. To me, the "Jewish persecution" throughout history, is a perfect example of this controlled opposition taking place between ELITE Whites and Jews, using their own people to further propel social change and movements. All for the purpose of "world purification".

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The classification of "Semitic" is primarily one of language and secondarily one of geographical origin. The Sumerians were in no way Jewish.

"The Jews came from the area in the world where civilisation commenced and writing was invented, (Sumer in southern Iraq), were the people who gave the world the concept of one God rather than the pagan idea of a God for each occasion. On the other hand no race has been persecuted more, has been so unpopular but in spite of this has achieved a position of such dominant wealth as the Jews."
http://www.historyofengland.net/content/view/47/1/

There's much more where that came from, in particular THE BIBLE which clearly states Abraham, the prime patriarch of the "Jewish race", was of Sumerian descent.

We can use the term "Semitic" if that seems more appropriate, but there is no doubt in my mind that "Jews" originated from Sumer, at least as far as WRITTEN HISTORY tells us.

Otherwise, where did they originate? The alien mothership that beamed them down? They had to come from somewhere didn't they? We can accept "Anunnaki genetic manipulation" but then play coy and confused when Jewish people are involved in this process?

And the Pharaoh Akhenaton was actually the one to bring monotheism under the ATEN sun disk, a couple hundred years before the "Exodus" from Egypt and worship of Yahweh.

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Icke's stance seems to be similar to yours.

Icke is so bogus on so many points, taking things literally, diverting, fleecing, that I just can't support or endorse the man as I think he confuses and clouds the issue in order to play both sides of the game. I'm not saying he's antisemitic, but it would be easy to make this association with his "Reptile" theories.

Seems obvious to me that points like these are the ones that guys like Icke, Jones, Maxwell, Tsarion, and a dozen others want to avoid at all costs and instead talk about "shapeshifting space alien gods from other planets and dimensions who created us as an experiment".

That makes much more sense than the actual history that we can follow?!?

And again, to restate the fact as it has been lost far too often, there were societies, towns, and nomadic peoples thousands of years before either Sumer or Egypt had ever been established.

It seems to me that we're purposefully confusing ourselves or willingly going along with our own cultural amnesia.

I'm not racist, but am not going to lie, I feel hatred for those who purposefully deceive in order that they might maintain power or manipulate others.


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The bigger picture is so much larger than presented here, but I have little doubt that this is the right track. It is what's hidden so that we might instead follow on wild goose chases leading nowhere.

But, better not stand against Israel lest my tongue fall out of my mouth and I die where I stand, with my future generations being cursed and poisoned, huh?

Why, Jesus never even came in the first place, he's going to arrive as a wealthy and powerful Israeli King during the "Revelation".

Sorry, I oppose that with every fiber of my being.

We can continue perpetuating the lie, or we can finally stand up and throw off the shackles of our own mental and spiritual bondage. It is the decision of each and every individual.


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Hey man. Do not the "Jews" consider themselves a race, in the line of David, heralding from Israel and out of Egyptian bondage? If I were Jewish, and not a white guy with Native American background saying this same thing, there would be no opposition to my statements.

If a Jewish person said Jews were a genetic experiment I'd find it just as confusing and try to figure out what they meant by "Jew" as well. It's not a matter of race or religious background but one of clarification.

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"The Jews came from the area in the world where civilisation commenced and writing was invented, (Sumer in southern Iraq), were the people who gave the world the concept of one God rather than the pagan idea of a God for each occasion. On the other hand no race has been persecuted more, has been so unpopular but in spite of this has achieved a position of such dominant wealth as the Jews."
http://www.historyofengland.net/content/view/47/1/

There's much more where that came from, in particular THE BIBLE which clearly states Abraham, the prime patriarch of the "Jewish race", was of Sumerian descent.

The Bible says Abraham was from Shinar but it doesn't say he founded a new race. A Jew, roughly, is a follower of Judaism or the child of a follower. In the Bible the first Israelites were racially indistinguishable from the Africans and could not be identified apart from them visually. There are also people in the Bible who originally aren't Jews who later become Jews.

Esther 8:17(King James) - And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.

We can safely assume these people who became Jews didn't physically change into another race, so according to the Bible Jewish can't be a racial identification. It also isn't a geographical one as these people are not from Sumer nor were the Sumerians Jews.

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This is alot like saying Christians were a genetic experiment. Producing "Jews" was a genetic experiment between White men and...what?

Again, take it from the "Anunnaki" account. It was a process of experimentation which brought forth various races, the "Jews" among them.

The Anunnaki account is that humans were created by the Anunnaki mixing their genes with animals and/or other subhuman materials. Are you saying that White people did this and created the non-White races?



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Well, firstly, I wouldn't really debate the Bible as being a completely factual account of history as Abram was stated as being several hundred years old when he was first circumcised and had his name changed (by Yahweh) to Abraham. However, the Bible can give us bits and pieces that we might add together from other ancient texts in order to paint a more complete picture.

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A Jew, roughly, is a follower of Judaism or the child of a follower. In the Bible the first Israelites were racially indistinguishable from the Africans and could not be identified apart from them visually.

I would disagree with the notion that those people who founded Israel (in Canaan) were indistinguishable from black Africans. There is a difference between the appearance of "Semitic" races and those of dark skinned Africans, in both ancient artwork and in visual representation.

Egyptian artwork shows us black Africans, Semitic tribes, as well as those who look more Caucasian than the other peoples (and who are usually in the role of the Pharaoh by the way, while the darker skinned races are depicted as the "slave class").

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We can safely assume these people who became Jews didn't physically change into another race, so according to the Bible Jewish can't be a racial identification.

Yet Jews do, under the intents of "Hebrews", use the term "Jew" as a racial identifier, and have for many thousands of years. And you're correct, not all Hebrews are Jews, but in fact convert to the Judaic religion. There are conversions taking place every day, from every ethnicity and nationality, into the Judaic lifestyle and belief system.

There is also the implementation of "breeding out" a race, in order that, over time, generations of a family in fact do become "Jewish", wherever their original roots might have originated..

"A Jew (Hebrew: יְהוּדִי, Yehudi (sl.); יְהוּדִים, Yehudim (pl.); Ladino: ג׳ודיו, Djudio (sl.); ג׳ודיוס, Djudios (pl.); Yiddish: ייִד, Yid (sl.); ייִדן, Yidn (pl.))[8] is a member of the Jewish people, an ethnoreligious group originating from the Israelites or Hebrews of the ancient Middle East. The ethnicity and the religion of Judaism, the traditional faith of the Jewish nation, are strongly interrelated, and converts to Judaism are both included and have been absorbed within the Jewish people throughout the millennia."
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It also isn't a geographical one as these people are not from Sumer nor were the Sumerians Jews.

In the fact that the "Jews" or "Hebrews" are stated from the direct bloodline of Abraham, yes they indeed are from ancient Mesopotamia (Sumer), migrating into Egypt, and later "sold into slavery" in Egypt, such as the tale of Joseph (who became a highly prominent elite priest, named "father to pharaohs", who was given a royal Egyptian burial).

"Abram who later was renamed by his “God” as Abraham (2123 BC to 1948 BC) Abraham’s most significant accomplishment is that as the role of the Hebrew Patriarch and through diffusion also as the Patriarch of the Christians and Muslims."

His Lineage

"Abram was born in the city of Nippur and lived in Ur with his father. Nippur and Ur were two of the original twelve “City-States” of Sumeria. The significance of the number twelve here is in the fact of the twelve main deities of the Sumerian Pantheon of Gods (One God or Goddess per one City-State).

"A critical review of Abram’s lineage shows that he was a descendant of a line of Sumerian Royalty and possibly of the Priest Caste."

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The Anunnaki account is that humans were created by the Anunnaki mixing their genes with animals and/or other subhuman materials. Are you saying that White people did this and created the non-White races?

It just makes much more sense to me, given the history that we know and can trace, that if any genetic manipulation of races was taking place, it was instigated by Aryans (Caucasians) and Semitic (Jewish) peoples, and not Aliens from some other planet that only travels into Earth's orbit every 3600 years.

In fact we KNOW that the peoples of this period were genetically manipulating, through breeding process and seed-splicing, a variety of plants and animals (and likely, races of people).

Can I at least get some kind of agreement on this key point?


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NOTE: The Asiatic and Hindu peoples also play a central role in this whole tale, but not, I believe, as prominently as the Caucasian and Hebrew peoples.

To me this has nothing to do with the negativity of racism, but just uncovering the truth.


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Hello Mad, Rex, There can be a couple of ways the different races of humans spread across the Earth. Biblical descendents and Anunnaki descendents.

In the Biblical version the first born son carries the line of the family and in the case of the Hebrews that line came all the way to Adam to make sure that the human race was not mixed with the race of the fallen angels, the other branches of the family tree.

Adams son Seth to every first born son to Lamech to Noah.
Noahs son Shem to every first born son to Abraham
Abraham to Isaac to Jacob ( Later Named Israel )
Israel has - Joseph with his first wife and 11 more sons with her sister and both of the wives servant girls (12 sons from the four woman).
Those 12 sons father the 12 tribes of Israel
The Nation of Israel represents the first family branch Hierarchy
Other family branches became other races and customs language writings separation from The Tower Of Babel story.

The Anunnaki version is similar that The first royal Anunnaki families (Enki + Enlil) did not mix with other Anunnaki families. The same with the humans they mated with was kept in their families.

Adapa was the Anunnaki Enki's son and Titi his daughter.
Adapas son Sati to every first born son to Lamech to Ziusudra(Noah)
Ziusudra's son Shem to IbruUm (Abram, Abraham)
IbruUm is chosen to survive the calamity of Sumer.
IbruUm human line decsended from Enki's family.
Ziusudra's other 2 sons Ham and Iafet, branched out.
Other human race lines descended from other Anunnaki families(igigi, fallen Angels) and spead out with customs language writing from Mardukes Tower to Heaven story.

American Indian have thier Hierarchy from Ka-in(Cain)
America was the land of wandering.

As far as races in this story the gene pool skin was Dark, indian,white.

This may be why its said Abraham is from Sumer. - Anuatlantian

The Egyptians enslaved the Hebrew's when they saw how many they were to control them and so they wont join with other groups that might wage war on the Egyptian's. Later that area of Iraq and middle east is always fought over the land ownership. Prime realestate mother land I guess.



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I think there is some truth to what you are stating Anuatlantian, the comparison's of the Anunnaki with that of the Hebrews and 12 tribes.

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Israel has - Joseph with his first wife and 11 more sons with her sister and both of the wives servant girls (12 sons from the four woman).

Abraham bore a child with the handmaiden Hagar, not believing that his wife Sarah, after many attempts, could bore child. However, after Sarah did bore a child to Abraham shortly thereafter (Isaac), Hagar's son Ishmael was basically caste out and not accepted as legitimate.

Ishmael is considered by many adherents to Muslim faith to be the true progenitor of the Arabic peoples, while Isaac continued the lineage of the Hebrews. This is PART of the thousand(s) year old disagreement between who is the rightful inheritor to the "holy land" in the Middle East.

The Israelites saw Ishmael, and his people, to be of "lesser quality and class" than Isaac, who was born from Sarah and Abraham.

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The Egyptians enslaved the Hebrew's when they saw how many they were to control them and so they wont join with other groups that might wage war on the Egyptian's. Later that area of Iraq and middle east is always fought over the land ownership. Prime realestate mother land I guess.

And again, to further mark the unbeivablity of these accounts as entirely factual, Ishmael and Issac both are stated as having lived some 150 years each. Abraham was stated as being 100 years old when these children were born... Must be that "pure blood", eh?

And they still fight over this silliness 3000 years later? How utterly moronic.

And all of this "baby making" on the direct instructions of "God", of course. Who would have known that this break in the lineage would create the Arab world and eventual creation of the Muslim faith.



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I would disagree with the notion that those people who founded Israel (in Canaan) were indistinguishable from black Africans. There is a difference between the appearance of "Semitic" races and those of dark skinned Africans, in both ancient artwork and in visual representation.

Like any other people Africans come in different shades but I was speaking of the Bible and not necessarily of actual events. In the Bible, the first Israelites(sons of Israel/Jacob) were visually indistinguishable from the Africans and could not be told apart from them. So as far as the Bible is concerned, they were not a racially distinct people from them.

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Yet Jews do, under the intents of "Hebrews", use the term "Jew" as a racial identifier, and have for many thousands of years.

Some do, yes. But we know from the Bible itself this isn't true so this misbelief isn't really applicable to the topic at hand(Jews being a genetic experiment) since it deals with genetics rather than religious misconceptions.

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There is also the implementation of "breeding out" a race, in order that, over time, generations of a family in fact do become "Jewish", wherever their original roots might have originated..

And vice versa where interbreeding removes the original Abrahamic blood. Therein lies one of the reasons this theory seems a little fuzzy to me. Neither the Jews or the Semites were or are a genetically or geographically homogenous people. This theory seems to require one to connect varied groups of people in ways that they aren't really connected.

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The Anunnaki account is that humans were created by the Anunnaki mixing their genes with animals and/or other subhuman materials. Are you saying that White people did this and created the non-White races?

It just makes much more sense to me, given the history that we know and can trace, that if any genetic manipulation of races was taking place, it was instigated by Aryans (Caucasians) and Semitic (Jewish) peoples, and not Aliens from some other planet that only travels into Earth's orbit every 3600 years.

In fact we KNOW that the peoples of this period were genetically manipulating, through breeding process and seed-splicing, a variety of plants and animals (and likely, races of people).

Can I at least get some kind of agreement on this key point?

Yes but to crossbreed plants you mix different types of plants. Here's what I'm trying to understand. The Anunnaki creating humans tale works because the Anunnaki weren't human. Therefore biologically they can mix with something else and the result be a human being. Your theory removes the key element of the Anunnaki not being human. This leaves a question mark in it because both Whites and non-Whites are human. They are the same animal. They have the same parts. A human plus a human only produces another like human. To create a separate species or race, you have to mix with something different from yourself. Hence why I asked what the White people mixed with in your theory. Let me put it in equation form to show what I mean:

1)Anunnaki + animal=human

2)human + human=human

3)White person + = non-White person

That's what I'm trying to figure out. What did these White people breed with in your theory to produce non-Whites?



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In the Bible, the first Israelites(sons of Israel/Jacob) were visually indistinguishable from the Africans and could not be told apart from them. So as far as the Bible is concerned, they were not a racially distinct people from them.

I have no doubt that there were Black-Hebrew-Israelites, however it was a mixture with Semitic peoples, and the mixed Semitic peoples which had already been living in Canaan for 1000 years before any "Hebrew" had ever arrived on the scene. Arguably, Canaan is at least half a millennium older than Egypt, and was a thriving Metropolis in its day. The trade capital and maritime military might of the ancient world.

Likewise the majority of proponents to the "Black-Hebrew-Israeli" movement didn't sprout up until the mid 1800's AD, roughly around the same time that the Black Muslim movement began to emerge in larger numbers. The notion that the first Israelites were Black Africans is largely shunned by the "typical Jewish" community.

It's basically a debate of "Was Jesus White, a Jew, or a Black man?" My biggest question should be whether he even existed at all.

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Therein lies one of the reasons this theory seems a little fuzzy to me. Neither the Jews or the Semites were or are a genetically or geographically homogenous people. This theory seems to require one to connect varied groups of people in ways that they aren't really connected.

I don't see how they aren't connected when considering the fact they all lived in the same basic geographic area together for many thousands of years. They were all connected, and every religious book and historical account in history ties these people together.

Clearly, even if we're just going by the Bible and not the "Anunnaki" accounts, Adam and Eve were CREATED by the Elohim, a group of "shining gods" not so unlike the Anunnaki. The Bible basically tells us on the first page of Genesis that Adam and Eve were a "experiment" created in the likeness of the gods.

The Sumerian texts give us a similar account with Adapa or Adamu son of Ea, who rejects the gift of immortality (as Adam rejected it in Eden by eating the fruit). Thus we could surmise that the "Jewish" people were created by a group of "gods", just as the Anunnaki were stated to have also created new races. Abraham, the lineage of the "Jews" (and probably an Elite priest) came out of Ur in Sumer, further tying the Hebrew peoples to their Sumerian heritage.

The similarity of accounts is distinct and specific, giving credence to the notion of "Aryan Gods", and "Jewish sons of god", in other words "the chosen people". What was Hitler obsessed with in his twisted theosophical influenced beliefs of the Aryan super race, the root race of all creation, the ascended masters.

Racial superiority is not a new thing, it has been around forever, and the "Jews" thusly were told by "God" to kill the Canaanites because they were dogs worthy of death, and to bash their skulls, and the skulls of their children against rocks, so that they might not prosper and continue to breed. Inevitably, the Hebrews and Canaanites merged into a "Phoenician" grouping, giving birth to the Celts and the Goths, among many other tribes who originated from this mighty sea faring state.

One thing to keep in mind though, that can't be stressed enough, is that we can't take the Bible or Mesopotamian tablets as a completely literal interpretation of factual history. There are many pieces that a person must fit together on their own without being blinded by "faith" or New Age dogma.

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Here's what I'm trying to understand. The Anunnaki creating humans tale works because the Anunnaki weren't human. Therefore biologically they can mix with something else and the result be a human being. Your theory removes the key element of the Anunnaki not being human. This leaves a question mark in it because both Whites and non-Whites are human. They are the same animal. They have the same parts. A human plus a human only produces another like human. To create a separate species or race, you have to mix with something different from yourself

But what is an "animal"? One hundred and fifty years ago, in America, black people were considered "animals", why is it difficult to believe that the Elites 4000 years ago didn't consider them the same thing? Of course, there were Elite Blacks in Egypt as well, even became high priests and Pharaohs, but the underlining "racial cleansing" has been at work since our very first civilizations. This "racial cleansing" is also largely what the accounts of the Anunnaki pertain to as well. Sub-races and Super-races in a caste system of slavery.

Simply, all we must really see is that the "alien" accounts, at least literally from other planets and dimensions, is bogus, and things make much more sense if we'll just allow ourselves to witness the whole Sumerian perspective of things from an Elite White and "Jewish" equation instead of being blinded by the smokescreen.

What has been in power for AT LEAST the past 500 years running everything right out in the open? Elite Caucasians and Jews. Go back to the fall of Rome, it was Elite Whites and Jews. Sorry if this isn't politically correct, but I refuse to say "it was aliens". And again, this isn't racially motivated, other than in the fact it deals with race.

Say you have 3 or 4 "natural" races, consisting of blacks, whites, a Semitic people, and an Asiatic type. Mixing and mingling just between those 4 "races" of human beings, can create dozens of new "races" over time. You can even categorize certain traits that you want to be dominant and prevalent in a people (height, broad shoulders, eye color, hair color), just as you can with any biological life form on earth, and by breeding and intermingling (fallen angels), you will get the desired results, or create "failures" that are shunned and disregarded.

I'm inclined to believe that new races were created, in order to try and "perfect" and "cleanse" the world into that which was seen as "purity". Namely, Whites, and or Semitic Hebrews, by their own logic as being "the chosen ones".

And this goes back some 25,000 years into our cave dwelling ancestors, possibly even responsible for the extinction and racial cleansing of Neanderthal man. These "Anunnaki" and "fallen angels", they've had a lot of practice at this, even before recorded history.


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I don't see how they aren't connected when considering the fact they all lived in the same basic geographic area together for many thousands of years. They were all connected, and every religious book and historical account in history ties these people together.

Unconnected in the sense that many of these people you're identifying as Jews aren't Jews, and that the people of this region weren't one big mass but a collection of different racial types and ethnicities. This theory lumps large groups of different people together as though they are the same. And reduces it all to an improperly oversimplistic(IMO) match-up of two parties that aren't even mutually exclusive from one another.

Based on the data I also don't think race played the role you're speaking of until much later in human history, but that's kind of another topic.

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Clearly, even if we're just going by the Bible and not the "Anunnaki" accounts, Adam and Eve were CREATED by the Elohim, a group of "shining gods" not so unlike the Anunnaki. The Bible basically tells us on the first page of Genesis that Adam and Eve were a "experiment" created in the likeness of the gods.

But the Bible doesn't make these gods humans, which would change everything. That's why I don't think your theory fits as well with history as you're suggesting.

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Here's what I'm trying to understand. The Anunnaki creating humans tale works because the Anunnaki weren't human. Therefore biologically they can mix with something else and the result be a human being. Your theory removes the key element of the Anunnaki not being human. This leaves a question mark in it because both Whites and non-Whites are human. They are the same animal. They have the same parts. A human plus a human only produces another like human. To create a separate species or race, you have to mix with something different from yourself

But what is an "animal"? One hundred and fifty years ago, in America, black people were considered "animals", why is it difficult to believe that the Elites 4000 years ago didn't consider them the same thing?

Well this gets to what I was asking. Originally it sounded like you were saying there was first the White race alone, then it mixed with something you didn't identify and produced the non-White races. But I may have misunderstood you. So you're saying there were already non-White races at the time of this experiment then?

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Simply, all we must really see is that the "alien" accounts, at least literally from other planets and dimensions, is bogus, and things make much more sense if we'll just allow ourselves to witness the whole Sumerian perspective of things from an Elite White and "Jewish" equation instead of being blinded by the smokescreen.

One of the more obvious snags in this plan being that no matter how elite they are, White people mating with other humans don't produce inhumanly gigantic offspring with immense strength and extra digits as both Jewish and Sumerian literature attest happened when the gods mated with humans.

You don't want the Anunnaki/sons of God to be extraterrestrials and that's fine. But making them into White people doesn't work too well at all with the material you're citing in my opinion.



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What a great debate this is...

Many thanks MAD and IR....


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I’m enjoying this “debate”, because despite the fact that we disagree on many key points, I believe that with each successive discussion on these topics, more kernels of truth are popping as new things are brought out into the open.

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Unconnected in the sense that many of these people you're identifying as Jews aren't Jews, and that the people of this region weren't one big mass but a collection of different racial types and ethnicities. This theory lumps large groups of different people together as though they are the same. And reduces it all to an improperly oversimplistic(IMO) match-up of two parties that aren't even mutually exclusive from one another.

Which two parties are you referring to? Sumerians and Jews? All I’m stating is that the Hebrews are stated Biblically as originating in Sumer, and all artwork depictions of the ancient Sumerians look to be of a Semitic and Aryan origin. Throughout history, the Jews and Caucasians have lumped themselves into a single category, declaring themselves the “pure race”. This has happened time and time again, and for me to state so can easily be understood by the Aryan invasions of India at 1400 BC, or the Talmud and Bible which states that the ‘Jews’ are the superior bloodline, directly chosen by god. I’m not the one lumping them together, they have lumped themselves together. Birds of a feather flock together.

Sum-erians

Su or Som can mean alternatively “Good” and “Pure”. Su is also the primordial Egyptian god of the sky, and the FIRST BORN of the creator got Atum.

Erians equates to Aryans.

So, Sum (pure or sky) and Aryans = Sumerians.

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Based on the data I also don't think race played the role you're speaking of until much later in human history, but that's kind of another topic.

Personally I think it was the basis for the creation of Egypt, and one of the primary messages of the all white pyramids, covered in limestone, which worked as a “factory for transmutating the races” into the “pure species”. The Pharaoh was the purest, closest to “god”, and the pyramid represented the levels that the “lower races” might ascend and themselves be purified in the light of Ra. Intermediary races were created, so as to better assemble and associate with the dark skinned Africans to the South. The “Great White Brotherhood” was a distinctive secret society originating out of Egypt which we must consider in this discussion.

If we’re going to accept the fact that ancient genetic manipulation took place, this makes more sense than literally going by Sumerian Anunnaki accounts, especially of the Sitchin variety. It is necessary to read between the lines and devise new understandings of ancient materials.

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But the Bible doesn't make these gods humans, which would change everything. That's why I don't think y