There is life on Mars in the form of intelligent beings: people (and – although to this some do not agree: there are also demons or genies like those on Earth), in addition to animals and plants; with rivers, seas, mountains, forests, towns and cities.

The following points give the clue:

• They have till now found ice on the two poles of Mars, water in frozen form, and cirrus cloud drifted by the wind.

• They have taken photos of Mars, either from very high altitudes, or from the ground level; while if they take the images from the level of one hundred or two hundred meters: everything will be obvious.

• I asked some astronomers at NASA, about the mountains of Mars, they answered:

"In general the southern hemisphere is the highlands of Mars and the northern hemisphere is the lowlands.
The Tharsis province is a notable high volcanic chain, and the tallest volcano Olympus mons is nearby (27 km high and 600 km wide at the base).
Other peaks in decreasing order of height are Ascraeus mons, Arsia mons, Pavonis mons, and Elysium mons--all of these are taller than Mt. Everest.
You can see maps of the topography of Mars at the following link: NASA.gov "

Therefore, all these mountains are taller than Mt. Everest, which may give an idea that Mars is in fact larger than Earth.

The other thing is that their knowledge about Mars mountains is obviously defective: because where are the mountains less than Mt. Everest?

Moreover, the tops of these mountains are covered by ice, then will not this ice !sublimate! as do they claim, specially if the atmosphere of Mars is allegedly thin? And how does such ice accumulate again?

On Earth, the ice and rain will percolate in the ground and will come out in the form of water-springs on the slopes of the mountains and in the valleys in between them, and the streams of water will form tributaries and these will form the rivers that will flow from the mountains to the lower planes.

Had they searched for life in the mountainous areas and in the valleys between these mountains and the plains below such mountains, they might have found life there.

Had they set recorders of voices and sounds, they might have heard the cry of some birds or animals, and so on.

• On Earth, their advanced technology enabled them to view the detailed features of the land and towns and may be people walking in the streets; but on Mars, it seems that such technology is difficult to apply, and moreover, they descended their tools quickly and cannot fly on some low or medium height to have better viewing of the surface features.

Now see this link about an image of the Inka City, by Mariner 9
Mariner 9 pic

And this is another image of this Inka City by, Viking 2
Viking 2 pic

Then they attributed such features to the effect of winds! How can winds do such straight lines as seen from very high altitudes?

>> Moreover, the cirrus cloud drifted by the wind in the atmosphere of Mars indicates that this atmosphere is not so thin to bear the cirrus cloud on such high altitude, and like that on Earth the wind came to drift it.
JPL

• All this indicates that their knowledge about Mars is defective, and nobody can rule out the possibility of the existence of people on Mars. And the claim, of some that they have viewed all the surface of Mars and drawn some precise maps, such claim is not precisely correct.

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(An anticipated meeting between the inhabitants of Earth and the inhabitants of some other planets):

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Thanks, Eanassir, for that posting and all those links. This is certainly a fresh, new way of regarding the universe in general and Mars in particular. It would take me far too long to study all of the information contained in those texts because of the sheer volume. It would be marvellous if all these theories turned out to be true and it would certainly make us more eager to go and visit these "heavens". Unfortunately, we cannot yet send humans to all the planets to discover the truths that will satisfy everybody. We must continue to be patient. I am sure that there will be many surprises "out there" awaiting us. Only time will tell.



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Lonecat wrote:

Thanks, Eanassir, for that posting and all those links. This is certainly a fresh, new way of regarding the universe in general and Mars in particular. It would take me far too long to study all of the information contained in those texts because of the sheer volume. It would be marvellous if all these theories turned out to be true and it would certainly make us more eager to go and visit these "heavens". Unfortunately, we cannot yet send humans to all the planets to discover the truths that will satisfy everybody. We must continue to be patient. I am sure that there will be many surprises "out there" awaiting us. Only time will tell.

Thanks, Lonecat.
About the sound-recording by Phoenix, it is at the FAQ of Phienix mission, they have disabled this recording, for some scientific reason, and they said they might restore it again, but I don't think this has been done. The European Agency recorded the sound of the landing of Phoenix, while the purpose should not be to record the sound of their landing, but rather to pick up any sound that may be there.

"The European Agency recorded the sound of the landing of Phoenix, while the purpose should not be to record the sound of their landing, but rather to pick up any sound that may be there"
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I can see your point, eanassir, but I rather think that if we are going to have a research lander on any heavenly body, we have to try to gather all information possible. In this case the main thing was to have SOME kind of recording equipment operating at all possible times. I don't think that anyone would want exclusively to record the landing but rather catch any sound that might, say, be a reaction to the landing as well as the landing itself. Let's say, for example that the landing was expected to make quite a commotion on touching down in spite of all the efforts to ensure a "soft landing". Phoenix must have come down with quite a thump onto the surface of Mars. If the ground beneath it had caved in, say, and swallowed the lander then at least we would have "heard" something that might have given us a clue to what had happenend. I don't think anybody was expecting to record a round of applause from the natives. I am being serious, though. Recording-devices would serve to pick up any sound whatever and such sounds could give a clue as to whatever had happened.

This subject is of particular interest to me because, many years ago, when I was first working for Spain's international radio service in English I had the pleasure of inteviewing a spanish scientist, who was working with NASA at a tracking station not far from the spanish capital, Madrid at Robledo de Chavela, about one of the first missions to Mars and I said to him "would it not be a good idea, on the next mission to Mars, to include stereo sound equipment as Mars, unlike the Moon, has an appreciable atmosphere and therefore could transmit sound waves?". The scientist's reply was interesting, especially to me. He said "Hey that's not a bad idea! Maybe we should think about that". Several years later I heard about some lady working with NASA who had "thought of" including sound recordings on Mars missions. I suppose I should not really mention this but it might well have been my idea that set the ball rolling. I was thinking in terms of recording the sound of varying wind-strengths on Mars, or... anything else that might be picked up


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Lonecat wrote:

In this case the main thing was to have SOME kind of recording equipment operating at all possible times. I don't think that anyone would want exclusively to record the landing but rather catch any sound that might, say, be a reaction to the landing as well as the landing itself. ... I don't think anybody was expecting to record a round of applause from the natives. I am being serious, though. ...
This subject is of particular interest to me...
it might well have been my idea that set the ball rolling. I was thinking in terms of recording the sound of varying wind-strengths on Mars, or... anything else that might be picked up

That's right.
Moreover, in searching for life on Mars; this is important; sounds may give indication of any animal or bird scream or any human being voice - this may be before the image of such being appears.
I don't know why have they neglected such important thing; but it may be more difficult to transmit such sounds rather than transmitting the images.
In addition, if images are vulnerable to much modification of color and other features; the sound may give more correct feature.

However, this is at the FAQ of Phoenix:
"Does Phoenix have a microphone to “hear” the sounds of Mars?
Phoenix, like the 1999 Polar Lander, originally had a microphone to hear the sounds of the descent to Mars. It was part of the MARDI system which was turned off to due the small risk that it could trip a critical landing system. So far, no spacecraft has successfully captured the sounds of Mars. However, the European Space Agency’s orbiter Mars Express captured the sounds of Phoenix’s descent. You can check it out at: ESA.

If the mission timeline permits, it is a possibility that the microphone will be activated , so stay tuned!"

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may give indication of any animal or bird scream or any human being voice

Well I hope they're wearing their strongest winter coats, because the average surface temperature on Mars is about 95 degrees below zero.


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may give indication of any animal or bird scream or any human being voice

Well I hope they're wearing their strongest winter coats, because the average surface temperature on Mars is about 95 degrees below zero.

Don't you think in this case, all the planet will be frozen, and the ice will not be restricted to the two pole caps?



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I would like to throw in my opinion on Mars.

I think it may have had life at one time..but does not any longer..Intelligent life?...Perhaps.

I have theories..but..I do know that if there was a better atmosphere there ..there would be a far better chance of seeing life on there.
30 percent of the atmosphere..is not enough to help keep heat up for the planet.

Eanassir,
Mars is a dry planet...I think that it lost most of it's water and life..when it went through a magnetic pole reversal..that never completed. With that happening..it then left Mars with no atmosphere(30%), and very little to protect the planet from outside (space) energies..that kill life as we know it.

The warmest you may find on mars...is around -35 Celsius and THAT would be beach weather there.

Maybe there is life underground...but..with such an atmosphere..and so little protection from the lack of magnetic field...I really do not think there is life there..any longer.

Thanks for the thread.


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Just before the fall of the German Empire in 1945, it was said that a Nazi "UFO"- type Craft, Haunnebu III, took-off with a German Crew on a one way trip to Mars.

Did they make it or not?

That story has caused intense speculation ever since.

Two A Video Clips to view.

YouTube 1

YouTube 2

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Excuse me gentlefolk but this forum is reserved for straightforward astronomy and space science. I know that one thing leads to another but could we please keep to "hard science" as much as that can be?. Speculation and "What if..." postings are not really appropriate here. Maybe you have not noticed that there are very specific forums (Fora) for contemplation of UFOs, Nationial Socialist Foo-fighters, and conspiracy theories. I'm all for all of these topics and that is what BoT is all about. Every topic can be dealt with and discussed, but please let's keep theory, fantasy and science all in their their right places, otherwise we are all going to get a bit confused. Just try looking through the different fora (Forums) that we have here and then decide where you think your posting should go.


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entity wrote:

I think it may have had life at one time..but does not any longer..Intelligent life?...Perhaps.

30 percent of the atmosphere..is not enough to help keep heat up for the planet.

Eanassir,
Mars is a dry planet...I think that it lost most of it's water and life..when it went through a magnetic pole reversal..that never completed. With that happening..it then left Mars with no atmosphere(30%), and very little to protect the planet from outside (space) energies..that kill life as we know it.

The warmest you may find on mars...is around -35 Celsius and THAT would be beach weather there. :P

Maybe there is life underground...

Entity,
Some points here are worthy mentioning:
• If it was true that the atmosphere of Mars is so thin as do they say, then how could it bear the cirrus cloud (with the ice crystals at some high altitude) there on Mars – like that on Earth? And the wind came to drift it as it is on Earth.

• If the temperature on Mars is so low (as do they state), then why is the ice confined to the two poles like on Earth, and why will not all the planet be covered with ice? And why the tops of some high mountains there on Mars are covered with ice; why will not all the mountain (and not only the top) be covered with ice; because as it is stated the higher temperature is - 35° ?


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A related story on the Link below, which confirms Clouds of Water Ice in the Martian Atmosphere.

Space.com

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nigelelan53 wrote:

A related story on the Link below, which confirms Clouds of Water Ice in the Martian Atmosphere.

Space.com

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This indeed is a nice link with the recent image of the cloud on Mars
Space.com
; refer also to the first post:

"Moreover, the cirrus cloud drifted by the wind in the atmosphere of Mars indicates that this atmosphere is not so thin to bear the cirrus cloud on such high altitude, and like that on Earth the wind came to drift it.
Marsrovers "

See also our links:
universeandquran
universeandquran
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Another Space.com link below, with a short Video Clip on the "Clouds of Mars".

Space.com

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nigelelan53 wrote:

Another Space.com link below, with a short Video Clip on the "Clouds of Mars".

Space.com

This is a valuable image from Mars. Moreover, I say:

The water cycle on Mars:
The cloud drifted by the wind is not a new discovery; but the thing I doubt that all this cloud is cirrus!?
See the link below:
JPL

And the new thing they have observed these days is "the water available in the atmosphere" according to their expression, and the fog, which is some form of water droplets precipitation.
JPL
"The atmospheric water is available to form into clouds, fog and frost, such as the lander has been observing recently."

The fog of course will disprove their postulation of the sublimation; because the fog is a collection of tiny water droplets.
universeandquran


The afterglow of sunset on Mars:
The afterglow of the sunset reflects many things, other than the dust in the atmosphere; it reflects the high and tremendous atmosphere, which they claim to be thin.

See the link below:
NASA
"Analyses of images like the above photograph show that at least some Martian days are capped by a sunset significantly longer and redder than typical on Earth. For up to two hours after twilight, sunlight continued to reflect off Martian dust high in the atmosphere, casting a diffuse glow."

This gives a clew to the size of Mars, whose year is twice the Earth year and its day is longer than the Earth day, and its afterglow of the sun is longer and redder than typical on Earth.

See also this image of the red afterglow of the sunset on Mars:
APOD


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Thanks for posting all the interesting Links eanassir.

For the record, a Martian Day is 24 Hours 37 minutes 27 seconds long and a Martian Year is 669 Martian Days or 687 Earth Days long.