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 Post subject: THE ORGIN OF THE DEVIL
PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:20 am 
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Often we find ourselves so overwhelmed with information regarding UFO's, Atlantis, Lumeria, Ancient Egypt etc. that we might tend to overlook the obvious. Perhaps the Bible is the obvious in that it presents information in a story form which was handed down millennia before the actual event of The Christ.

In each civilization on this planet, there are stories of "creation," those involving the god(s) and the devil. Nowhere on Earth does that story truly unfold than in Iraq (Sumerian of old). Yes, many of us believe the Iraqi war was and is about oil, but suppose, just suppose the reason for the war is much more sinister than that... It has been said that Saddam Hussein was in the process of obtaining great wisdom from some of the archeological digs his country was conducting. There was talk of star gates, hidden technology but most of all there was talk of the discovery of the true history of mankind.

While the war was being conducted, unbeknownst to many, a team of scientist and archeologist were slipped into Iraq to obtain these hidden technologies and the cuneiform artifacts which contained information relating to Earth history. Ironically, while many of us are concerned with the story of The Christ, we tend to overlook the story of the "Devil." Where and when did the Devil actually appear? To many, those questions are answered by the Bible, failing to realize the Bible was written by man for as compilation of materials which had been passed down for ages and borrowed from many cultures. Many fail to realize the Bible was constructed as part of a plot to subjugate mankind, tie him/her to a religion which would bind mankind to falsehoods.

Originally, this Devil was a light bringer, a bringer of wisdom and insight while the god(s) were considered to be the bringers of darkness (Note the Jewish version of a vengeful god) and ignorance in that they kept mankind in the dark in all areas. Over the ages these roles were reversed, henceforth we now know the devil as an evil entity. But was he/she truly evil or merely going against the wishes of the god(s) in order to awaken the humans? For that answer, you will have to read this article and decide for yourself via all you know and believe. The answer is yours but what is the truth....?

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You would not be surprised to learn that the concept of the devil is very much the same around the globe, and has been recognized in just about every culture for the past millennia. Even people who do not have a clear understanding of God, or believe in a heaven or hell, harbor belief in something akin to the personified master of evil.

I would like to take you on an adventure to explore the origins of the devil, but you will have to be responsible for what you will learn. You can treat it as fiction, which it is not, or you can accept it as another odd tale from the internet, which is how I will present it. A third option is for you to be curious enough to see if what I will tell you has any truth to it, which it does. And when you make this discovery on your own, then you may well wish you had not read it at all.



Read the article at this link: THE ORGIN OF THE DEVIL


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:37 pm 
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Hi mensa517

Great post, thank you.

In the subject line of the post did you mean organ or origin of the devil, as the horns depicting the devil today might just be seen as the organ of the devil and the applicable title of this great post :lol:

One can read many/most of these and the Biblical writings literally or look for some symbolism and metaphoric meaning ...... I tend to look past the literal and go for the more "spiritual" meaning.

And to me it is all summed up in the following from your link:

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To the Sumerian godhead, evil was a reversion to the weakest impulses and drives of the being. Humans, being part animal (homo erectus) and part god (Anunaki) were prone to give in to their animal desires. This was the evil in men -- the residual primitive drives for self-preservation and procreation. Evil would always prevent man's movement to become more Nefilim-like, by developing his Nefilim abilities. His lack of self control would naturally inhibit this process.

True, personified evil would result in the use of Nefilim powers for the attainment of self-interest. There have always been those rare individuals who have, perhaps by accident, developed some Nefilim abilities and then used them incorrectly. Like the betrayal of Zu, the misuse of power is at the very core of our concept of evil.

Where is the devil? He is inside every human, waiting to impose self-interests and attend to our animal psyche. He is, I'm afraid, part of each and every one of us.


Although not a literal Christian, there are some passages I use from the Bible to illustrate who we are and what we are supposed to be striving for .....

It is repeated a few times in the new Testament that " ...... the Kingdom of God is within us ..... ", ie we are all potential "God" ...... by that I mean there is enough of God in us to become like God and we should be striving at all times to release this from within us to realise our full potential, but as indicated in the article in your post " ..... evil was a reversion to the weakest impulses and drives of the being, ..... Humans were prone to give in to their animal desires, ..... This was the evil in men -- the residual primitive drives for self-preservation and procreation ...... etc".

We need to look deeper and see that all these are actually good and needed, but that we need to move from practicing these in the earthly/ego realm and move up to practicing these in the spiritual realm ..... not in the earthly, human sense that is "evil.

Replace all these human drives with their spiritual equals and we are on the right path, let go of all the human desires and let all the spiritual drives take over and we are on the fast track to the God-like status we have buried within us.

Instead of filling ourselves with earthly food, fill with spiritual food, when God said go forth and multiply He meant go forth and multiply your gnosis - He didn't mean go ahead and overpopulate the earth, instead of lusting after the physical orgasm we should be lusting after the spiritual orgasm - the androgenising of our duality (kundalini ?).

For each of our eartly desires ther us a spiritual equivalent and it is those that we should be looking for and striving to attain, but unfortunately we have been brainwashed by those (the church) who should be leading us along this path of enlightenment to believe that spiritual enlightenment is evil, a long time ago the horns were a sought after symbol of divinity and enlightenment, but over time the tables have cleverly been turned on those horns and they now represent the devil.

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 Post subject: Elysium
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VI - Meton & Euctemon - XV
Solstice gnomon tell the tropical year by measure of shadow. They are Pillars standing guard at Tipareth’s temple. They are Lovers and twins - an alchemical marriage of opposites.
Time is the Devil, trickster to the Fool. He who stands at the cusp of our shortest day and darkest night. So long as light and darkness remain imbalanced we gestate within Persephone’s womb.


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That was a very interesting read! thank you. :D

It is very close in many ways to some of my others studies, with similar names for many entities, even the arrival of "Gods" from another world who "create" a race from themselves and the then children of Earth.

Many of their "higher" Gods condemn them for their actions and call the "children" lesser and animals with no rights.

Some of those "lesser" half breed Annuki and Human commander a vessel and leave the Earth to find a home of there own, never to be seen again.

The difference being that Satan, or Sateani, along with Ishtar and Una(also called Usa) create a "child" who is born to lead the new children of Earth in a revolt against their masters and free them from tirany. He is a combination of the three powerful souls and holds a greater portion of their knowledge and thus power.

On another note, Sateani, Ishtar and diverse others later "created" a new child soul who was born to lead the Earths children to freedom once again, it worked once before they felt it should work again, alas it did not and that "child" and his teaching were hijacked by a new "God" who called the child his one and only son and replaced the childs teachings with his own fiercly controlling beliefs and paranois. :mad:

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 Post subject: Re: THE ORGIN OF THE DEVIL
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Hi mensa517 Great post, thank you. Graham


I agree in large with what you wrote i.e. human desires vs. spirituality. There is a part of me that wonders though; In life, all life there exists a duality. When we speak of spirituality the opposite of that would be the ego...the human desires. Desires not only to satisfy our Earthly needs but also the desire to survive as a being and to sate our oneness with creation. As such, out of Chaos came order and so out of life/death comes ascension/spirituality. My point is thus: Even god as is defined by humans, god suffers this duality. Hence you have the God of the Old Testament who is demanding, volatile, jealous and who would kill at the drop of a hat yet reprimands mankind that they should not do, be of , partake or even think of doing such things. It is not until the New Testament that God becomes a loving God, protective, forgiving but in the interim he is also testing and resentful of mankind.

So, if we, being a part of the total of creation are god-like, do we not possess those very same qualities as written about God? There is a very distinct double standard applied to mankind in that respect. Mankind is expected to be perfect, perfected and to seek perfection, yet god does not display those very same qualities and would instead hold us to a higher standard.

I believe the problem lies with the fact that the Bible and it's laws were written by men to inhibit and control mankind. In doing so, they imbued god with human qualities all of which contradicts what god is truly supposed to be. Yes, we are the Gods, for we create and have even created a superior God. Yet if we were to unlearn all we have been taught and go within, deep within our inner essence we will discover we are capable of many seemingly impossible feats. This is possible only when the human race becomes aware of their full potential and rebels against those teachings which, like Pavlov’s dog, have become so ingrained within our being to such a degree, we believe them as truth. These false truths are then passed on generationally until they are coded on our DNA, hence the dilemma we suffer now.

Notably the Bible tells a story. It’s stories are borrowed from many different cultures as even the Q document has been called into question. The Q document is alleged to be a document of which several books of the Bible have borrowed from. Unfortunately this “Qâ€


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Yes, many of us believe the Iraqi war was and is about oil, but suppose, just suppose the reason for the war is much more sinister than that... It has been said that Saddam Hussein was in the process of obtaining great wisdom from some of the archeological digs his country was conducting. There was talk of star gates, hidden technology but most of all there was talk of the discovery of the true history of mankind.

Now, wouldn't that truly be the "weapons of mass destruction?"


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Read the article at this link: THE ORGIN OF THE DEVIL


mensa517 has already referred us to this link in the opening post in this thread :D


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 Post subject: The Devil in all of us
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The Bible refers to the devil in Genesis adam and eve beginning convincing them to eat from the tree of good and bad in the midle of the garden of eden.

Good and evil is a balance in everything. One cannot be with out the other. Story of a brother and sister: A sister once very good has turned to an evil way saying the worst things to the brother. The brother's angry thoughts from her verble abuse is of beating her but controls his anger so he does not turn an evil way too.

Anger, Ambition, Envy, Jealousy, Hate, These emotions can cause someone to turn an evil way. To control these and replace them using wisdom to positive emotions. Free will from the Anunnaki, to the Angels, to Mankind. Even in return of the Jedi Darth Vader dies with a good heart defeating evil and saving his son. The Bibles Devil Satan is one of Gods most beautiful of Angels ( not to praise him) but free will and teachings he led other angels to follow him.

Evil is taught, I know because I met a wonderful girl unlike any. I realized that she knows no evil and has never seen it and was very trusting in a world that would take advantage. I showed her to be careful and not trusting by watching real forensic case shows and make her aware of deception. Hate is taught to the young and we are responsible for how the next generation thinks. The great thing is nothing beats the power of Love and Light - Anuatlantian


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THE BEAST 666
Is part of a riddle to do with Time - how we measure time.
Consider the array of 6’s from Crowley’s Book of Thoth Tarot as Pillars standing guard at the gates of Tipareth, the Sun.

6: PILLARS
._______. ' ' ' ' ' . ______.
[.....6.....].........[......6....]
[...cups..].........[...disks..]
[............].........[...........]
[.....6.....].........[.....6.....]
[.wands..].........[.swords.]
[............].........[............]
[....VI.....].........[....XV....]

6 ... 6
6 ... 6
6 ... 6
Is a portrayal of the sexagesimal division of time [6x(60=6+0=6)] devised by the Sumerians.
XIX: THE SUN placed within this context is in reference to the Metonic cycle of 19 years calculated by Meton & Euctemon (5th century B.C.) after determining the length of the Tropical year. They did this by measuring the length of the Sun’s shadow cast by a Gnomon (a vertical pillar) at the Solstices: the cusps between VI: LOVERS (Gemini) / Cancer and XV: DEVIL (Capricorn) / Sagittarius.

We can look at the Beast 666 as symbolic of the day when darkness is at its longest and light shortest. Is this to mean that Crowley considered himself the imbalance of shadow against light, or as the moment when light begins to overpower darkness when days grow longer?

Or does the real mystery of the Beast 666 have less to do with Crowley than with Time - a trick of the light for every Fool swimming in the Universe’s womb?


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Quaerendo invenietis

“According to Solomon Trismosin, the stages through which matter passes in its journey towards perfection are divided into twenty-two parts, each of which is represented by an appropriate drawing. There is an important connection between the twenty-two emblems of Trismosin, the twenty-two major cards of the Tarot, and the twenty-two letters of the Hebrew alphabet. These mysterious Tarot cards are themselves an alchemical formula, if properly interpreted.â€


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Yygdrasilian, Anuatlantian; Okaaaaaayyyyy....Maybe I don't understand my own post but I'm feeling some kind of way here. I feel like :kickbutt: some butt as I was not addressing tarot nor "Crowley." There are forums/threads for that! In that sense "I" feel you are off post and are re-directing towards your interests. No prob...but do so in the appropriate posting/forum.

In referring to the devil I was attempting to dewelve in the thought pattern that we (humans) were created via an intervention. Because of that interventio, someone/something became disllussioned and revolted against the powers that be (in control at that time)...Perhaps someone by the anme of Enil which came to represent "evil" which became "Devil' in it's corrution. See, there is the possbility that the Devil brought "LIGHT" (note the Devil is a personification of fire) knowledge to humans who werre in effect slaves to the masters who manipulated their DNA. The Devil/Enile/Evil, saw all was snot good with the direction things were going and proceeded to awaken this new being called hu-man. In doing so the Devil was banished from the gods to dwell below (Earth) because (s)he went against the status quo. The awakening of these hu-mans, caused them to be banished from the Garden of Eden, a place where they wanted for nothing and were ignorant of all outside of the garden, in all it's splendor & beauty for they now had knowledge....Having this knowledge that they (Adam & Eve(?) were mere 'pets" and or slaves they were awakened.....In effect, picture newborn twins (male and female), trusting, blindly faithful, a blank slate for learning/indoctrination etc-----Hence Adam and Eve---Now tell them all they believe (as we still blindly do) is not so-----They will have been awakend and you wwould be called the Evil One, the bringer of light/fire (fire representing hunger for knowledge, to consume knowledge) for having taken the veil from over their faces/minds......I'll stop here as I tend to ramble, so if someone who is able to follow my rant, is able to pick up from here, I would appreciate it. Thanks------Mensa

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Very interesting musings, mensa. I particularly like the analogy of newborn twins. Luckily for us, the devil doesn't exist in any capacity, whether it be in the Bible's depiction or otherwise. Rest easy knowing this is the case.


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I know where you're coming from mensa517. I think. Sorry about the belated response but I was away when this thread was being discussed. :roll: Just as the different congregations behave very differently. The way war is waged in the name of god. Isn't it odd that in the Bible, it was considered okay to destroy another nation or to tempt or test people as long as it was God's bidding. Now consider the religious groups who support governments or politicians by naming them as the right people to lead us to better lives. The same folks who are waging war. How many of these leaders or rebels (or whatever you may want to call them) have been saying God told them to do what they are doing? If they are not, then why are the religious people supporting their actions? These things would be considered evil as they have not been deemed as God's wishes. The only time I hear of anything being considered as an act of God now is when something is not covered by insurance because it's considered as an act of God. So, were the people who's insurance don't cover this wicked? :roll:

The Devil is exposer of truth, freedom, justice & wisdom. IF it does not benefit the PTB. The Devil is who reveals the little pleasures in life like a scattered good buzz. Even though alcohol is perfectly legal in many parts of the world heavily influenced by religious forces. The Devil is the deliverer of medicine to those in need when their belief system forbids it. BUT, the Devil has been a thorn in the side of those who want to control what truths get out, what is considered freedom, justice when they are in jeopardy of getting in trouble & what is taught to us in schools. When our minds open up via a buzz (not going too far though) our mouths open up as well ideas start flowing. And it goes on. *It seems to me, this do gooder lessened the population's dependence on the PTB so said perpetrator became the evil one or da evil one or d' evil one on to devil one then devil. :lol:

Like I said, I think. Could the Devil be a scapegoat that stood up to his handlers like in the story of Zu. This is a readily available option still today. Put too much responsibility in the hands of someone thought to be easily manipulated. So now the wielder of this power is evil. Why? Because it's not ours. We're not evil if we own it. :roll: While it is true that a good portion of the population should be withheld from any access to power, who's to say Zu had to be killed? He didn't sound like a trouble maker. Did he have a violent criminal record? Many say the general population can't handle the wisdom of the ages. I wonder who started that rumor. ;)
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In my opinion there is a being we refer to as the devil, but falsely is he christened so. I believe that there was and is no one, all-powerful god. In the duality of the universe there must always be opposing forces, for nature abhors a vacuum and if there was ever stasis it would result in death, and nothingness. So, logically there could never be "one" god, but two. In the beginning there was two, equal gods. One in my opinion evil, and one good. The one I perceive to be the better is Enlil, or as described in the Luciferian doctrine, Lucifer. The evil God has many names, but I'll just call him Adonay, also from the Luciferian doctrine. Know that these gods are complete opposites, and are always in conflict. Now, as you all know one must be ignorant, unintelligent and unwise before one is wise, and intelligent. The god Adonay is an oppressive, dominating, and sometimes idiotic God, while Enlil is eternally wise, and benevolent. We can make such opinions looking at the way each have manifested themselves here on Earth under many avatars. So, at the beginning when the first strife began, Lucifer or Enlil was defeated, because the nature of fate swung in Adonay's favor. For, the universal balance required the chaos of Adonay's rule, before the wisdom of Enlil. It's just how things work, there must be "nothing", before there is "something". The ignorant God from then on has reigned supreme and has always put down his opponent by demonizing his earthly manifestations by calling them devils, and evil, when they were really doing good. It was Lucifer as the snake in the Garden of Eden that enlightened mankind, so that they might not continue frolicking ignorantly in some stagnant flower garden, under Adonay's rule. Enlil or Lucifer shall regain his rightful place as superior god next, when mankind is freed of the ignorant belief systems identified with Adonay that give him power, and enter an age of Luciferian spirituality. This new age begins with the transition into the age of Aquarian knowledge, 2012.


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I tend to avoid topics like this, but I just had to chime in. The oppressor Yahweh is not the true creator god; lets just get that out. Satan is our true creator and envelopes all in an ever flowing energy and vibration. His power flows through all life, death, creation, and destruction. He is God and Father to infinity and the multi-verse, of chaos and order. Master Lucifer is our bringer of light and wisdom. Our purveyor and advocate, our teacher and keeper. Master Lucifer is our King of Man and Lord over all Knowledge and living things. Nothing is more clear to me than this. Evil is a relative term and so is good, chose a side against Yahweh and the Holy Catholic Church and you are the Devil. I chose the latter as no war has been fought in Satan's name. No crosses were burned by Disciples of Lucifer. All knowledge makes its way to man, he just has to open his eyes and see the Dark Flame.



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Lucifer, a.k.a “The Devil”, is obviously the recipient of bad press put out by the adherents of this thing called Yahweh, to counter the fact that Lucifer taught the human race truth about the homicidal egomaniac that claimed to be their “God”, whilst keeping them ignorant, and demanding absolute obedience to him, with either threats of violence, or actual violence, along with sacrificial rites that some believe to have been watered down in the texts we have today, as they probably included human sacrifice.

(This is an ongoing theme having been proposed now for several decades in our time, and for centuries in the past, about the Vatican, and Catholicism, with the adage that "The Devil found an excellent home in the Catholic Church". On their past history, one can only agree, but it isn't the "Lucifer" that they propose.)

Judaism and Islam share a common origin in the Middle East through Abraham; therefore, both are considered Abrahamic religions, as they both share a common origin in the Middle East through Abraham.

There are many shared aspects between Judaism and Islam.

Islam is similar to Judaism in its fundamental religious outlook, structure, jurisprudence and practice.

Christianity can rightly be called an offshoot Jewish sect, based on the same monotheistic belief system, as Islam, and Judaism.

Considering that all three religions claim a belief in that one homicidal, psychotic, “Supreme Being” that presents in the Old Testament (with an attempted PR job in the New Testament), is it any wonder that we are at our present impasse?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:47 pm 
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Gotta love the dominance of Boolean thought. Ever consider the notion that both "god" and "devil" are pretenders to the title? The fact that one or the other is not the big enchilada doesn't automatically crown the opposition ;)



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Gotta love the dominance of Boolean thought. Ever consider the notion that both "god" and "devil" are pretenders to the title? The fact that one or the other is not the big enchilada doesn't automatically crown the opposition ;)



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To arrive at any form of coherant theory, or conclusion one must exercise Boolean thought, or we end up with the cobbled together, unverifiable mess that we have today, in what we accept as religion(s).

Good point on pretenders; though my contention is that neither could qualify for the status of "Omnipotent Supreme Being"; they may however possibly qualify as balancing opposites, with one being considerably more deranged than the other.

But then again, the question remains; Where were they a split micro nano second before the whole mess started with the alleged big bang?


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The origin of the Devil - MARDUK
I think that just as there are religious fanatics of God, there are fanatics with the Devil that talk of him as worship and liberator of freedom and knowledge.

Im not into God or Devil. Im into a CREATOR
Creator of what you see in the night sky. Creator of Every atom that makes everything.
The Creator of the Gods
The Ancient Gods that came here and created us.
( ET's were called Gods from the sky )

The origin of the Devil from how I see it parallels the Bible.
A son of God who rebels and does evil
Not Enlil or his brother Enki, but a son of Enki - MARDUK
Marduk who rebelled and had follower Gods under him.
Who planned to take over the Earth to rule, making war with other Gods.

Some Cults use Enki or Enlil as Lucifer, when it was Marduke and follower Shamgaz a leader of the 200 lower Anunnaki that came down and took wives before the Deluge.
Marduke - who instigated the death of his youngest brother Dumusi that started the war with innana(Dumuzi's love)

This is the essense of the religions in their Genesis of God and the Devil, Fallen Angels, Demons and war in heaven.
Enki and Enlil both have the role as Yahweh,God in Genesis.
see article Anunnaki vs. Bible stories
http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-19936.html
Enki's son - MARDUK - is the origin of the Devil
Still as I feel is a deception of religion(god or satan) to portray an Anunnaki to be worshiped as God, for the Gods are really the emissary Angels.
Worship should be to the Creator - No more Holy Wars. - AnuAtlantian



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:28 am 
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The origin of the Devil - MARDUK

The origin of the Devil from how I see it parallels the Bible.
A son of God who rebels and does evil


It would of necessity come from the Babylonian myths as the greater majority of the OT (Old Testament) was stolen from their creation stories, and repackaged with a Jewish bent.

It would appear that the updated PR in the NT (New Testament) makes that psychotic thing Yahweh out to be a liar also, as it states that he only had one son, good old JC, who was actually named (heir apparent?), whilst in the OT he had hundreds of sons, and not one named; no wonder they rebelled with a lunatic like that at the helm.

Let’s face it, the Jews stole their god from Babylon who was known as BAAL, which translates as Lord, or Master, which was based on Nimrod and his wife Semiramis (the ancient Queen of Heaven) and is known today to Bible scholars as the "Babylonian Mystery Religion."
This was the primary name by which Israel was introduced to the worship of Marduk, he was also worshiped by the Canaanites, Phoenicians, Syrians and to some extent by the Egyptians.

More frequently it occurs with compound attributes such as "Baal-zebub", "lord of the flies", still today one of the epithets of Satan.
"Baal-zephon" later to be the god Triton means "lord of the black north, or the northern void", and "Meri-Baal" translates as "lord of the rebellion".

He definitely didn’t start out as the “Devil” but his evolution due to bad press, misrepresentation, mistranslation, propaganda, politics (religious) and intentional defamation by Christianity, to being the current “Evil” one, leaves a lot to be desired in the stakes of truth, and fact, instead of the proffered propaganda.

In the Enûma Elish, a civil war between the gods was growing to a climactic battle.
The Anunnaki gods gathered to find one god who could defeat the gods rising against them.
Marduk, a very young god, answered the call and was promised the position of head god.

First, he challenges and defeats Tiamat, then Kingu, from whom he wrests the “tablets of destiny”.
Under his reign, humans were created to bear the burdens of life, so the gods could be at leisure.

This is myth, whilst history has recorded the preceding.

Intellectually I can accede to the possibility of a “creator” as there is far to much order, in what appears a chaotic universe, though the “Big Bang” theory doesn’t stand up to scrutiny, nor sense, let alone physics.
If nothing existed before the big bang, as postulated in the bible (as the creation), then the question will always be; where was this creator one micro nano second before the bang?

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Still as I feel is a deception of religion(god or satan) to portray an Anunnaki to be worshiped as God, for the Gods are really the emissary Angels.

This would depend entirely on which mythos you subscribe to, and your own belief structure based on those myths.

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Worship should be to the Creator - No more Holy Wars.

Not necessarily so, as the gods were created in the image of man, so why should we expect divine (yet to be defined adequately) behaviour from them?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:23 pm 
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You got it Backwards - its Man was created in the image of God (Gods), that was the way it was written. That the Gods were here before us, Quote -Let us make man in our image. (This is the birth of the Human race of Earth).

The Enuma elish is about the Solar System Planets spoken as Gods and the battle of Nibiru and Tiamat (old Earth), Nibiru's entrance to the Solar System.

I dont think the bible as a Jew thing. The first 5 books and more were yes the Hebrew text first.(thats their Bible torah) The next half new testement with christ, making the whole Bible of the christian religion. A history part 1+2

The Bible Genesis book is yes taken from the earlier Sumerian Tablets of Mesopotamia. The Tablets about, How the Gods came here. (a human race from another planet, the Ancient Astronauts) and how they gave birth to the human race of Earth. These Sumerian Gods are the same Gods as the Egyptian Gods, Greek Gods, and Norse Gods mythology.

My previous post points to from the origin of the devil as which Sumerian God this really originates from (son of Enki- Marduk), and the Sumerian Gods that are mistaken. Posted there is also the link to the article of the similar stories comparison of the Bible and the earlier Sumerian stories (a quick interesting read for those who dont know both bible and sumerian tales). Not to convince anyone that this is the true story, but to show that there is an earlier Alternative story that seems to answer some things the Bible leaves out.



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You got it Backwards - its Man was created in the image of God (Gods), that was the way it was written. That the Gods were here before us, Quote -Let us make man in our image. (This is the birth of the Human race of Earth).


Personally I am of the opinion that we were here prior to the "Gods", pretty backward and primitive, hoodwinked by the psycho babble, and techno dazzle, so we changed from spirit, and ancestor worship, to the new paradigm.

Now if as you postulate they were bipedal , and "human" looking, then a bit of PR, lots of propoganda (religious teachings), a few examples here and there, and the multitude believe.(Same methodology still works today, just look around)

If we are to believe the "bible", and other "holy writ" then we should all have scales, and shed our skins, eat live food, spit venom, and possibly even chew on each other; this is definately not apparent.

All the "gods" in mans history exhibit the same characteristics as the normal demented human, same faults and foibles, lusts and crimes; that is because we created our "gods" in our image, otherwise we can't relate to the concept, and thousands of years of western, and mid eastern civilisation have all but anihilated the spirit, and ancestor worshipers, which were the original, for lack of a better term, Religions.

No matter how I read it, the result is the same (except for the "faithfull", and those awaiting the rupture), man created the gods, not vice versa, just as man created the highly destructive, and corrupt establisments known as orginised religion.


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I've understood this from the perspective of Anuatlantian with one exception. The concept of previouse society before the Annunaki should not be left out. Remember most records of true history/heritage have tried to have been eliminated or even hidden. Thank goodness these tablets were unreadable at first and even though being unreadable they were not destroyed. There may have been others. There is still no doubt tha these stories are the predesacors to the Bible, Torah and Quaran. There seems to be evidence of some form of man (quite possibly) as far back as the dinosaurs. We being made of the image of the annunadki would suggest they were here for a very long time.



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In each civilization on this planet, there are stories of "creation," those involving the god(s) and the devil. Nowhere on Earth does that story truly unfold than in Iraq (Sumerian of old).


I will beg to differ, from the get go. The story unfolds in ourselves, well before Sumeria and all mythology. Our religions and myths evolve from our realizations of ourselves. The origin of the devil came to be because we became aware of that part of ourselves we did not want to acknowledge.

One of the ways you deal with things that you become aware of, that are uncomfortable, is externalizing or projecting. By looking at the the thing from the "far away" vantage point you can approach understanding safely. If you should become stuck in this path, you then stubbornly become rooted in delusion and at all costs, will rationalize all reactions from that point on. I mean shoot...reactions to anything become a hinderance. If you have to consistenally react you never have room to be. If you are always in "flight or fight" mode...then you are a very good tool huh?

As I have said to many...I proudly proclaim my insanity. In an insane world, the ones that do that, signal many things.

I have been wanting to respond to this for a long time. I just did not have it all in words, yet.



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