Well this should settle the Billy Meier story. Michael Horn, the North American publicist for Meier has admitted in an email to the IIG (Independent Investigation Group) that he had posted false and misleading articles on his website in hopes of lending credibility to Billy Meier's claims. This should mean both Billy and Horn are no longer to be taken seriously on any matters regarding UFO’s. Done deal-----Dead in the water

So we need no longer even mention the pariahs on this site.


Longtime UFO Proponent Admits To Publishing Misleading Articles In Order To Support His Claims



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I fear it will do little to cause the true believers to doubt Billy's tale.

Arrrggghhhh...Not Billy Meier again !...

Just when we thought it was safe to go back in the threads....


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From that site:

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Press Release Error

The requested press release was not found. It might have been removed or just temporarily unavailable.

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That's strange. Why would they remove something like that? Perhaps someone threatened to sue? A cease and desist order perhaps?

Damn I didn't click on it yesterday!

And here I was all ready to tell bogey he can now party hardy!




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Never let it be said that i'm not honest and fair......It seems the shoe is on the other foot on this and James Randiis sceptics actually falsified this info about Billy......

Check it out.

Bogey

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=141032


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Well thank you Bogey.

What a circus huh?


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So many photos from Meiers, decades ago, clearly not real unless you "want to believe" so much that you've allowed yourself to wonder into the complete realms of gullibility.

That's not to say that his story isn't interesting, or that he's not a fascinating individual in his own right, just the photographic evidence alone is enough to debunk this guy, regardless of what Michael Horn did, or did not, falsify.

"And here ladies and gentlemen is a 1 minute clip of the sounds of a flying saucer! And all scientists who have listened to these sounds say there's absolutely no way on earth it could have been recorded by humans!"

Really...? I could record it in 5 minutes with a couple keyboards and a mediocre sound board.


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While this may be a bit of old news to some, the correct information regarding the phony claims by the skeptics can be found here:

http://theyfly.com/Skeptics_Caught.htm

The Meier case is quite alive and well and the skeptics, well, after eight years of trying and failing to debunk, duplicate or explain it - including falsifying my emails to try to paint a very different and untrue picture - have collapsed in on themselves.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

Well Michael....Allow me to apologize to you for any misunderstanding regarding my post and BM. I read the corrected information per your link and am still perplexed about this BM thing. Nothing seems to be what is claimed and much is too ambiguous leading to an elevated quantity of skepticism. We here are open minded people but we are not easy to fleece, nor blind followers just because someone points a finger and says: "There, there's your proof." Personally I find it a bit nonsensical that BM has purported to have had numerous contacts with these "aliens" yet has been unable to produce tangible evidence besides questionable photos. BY TH WAY: Who wrote the article per your link?

So, while you have now signed on as a member of BoT, DO make yourself known and perhaps this site will afford you with an excellent opportunity to substantiate your claims. Peace & Light

Hi Menasa 517,

No problem, I just came across this site and info and wanted to set the record straight from my point of view.

With all due respect, there are six categories of still irreproducible physical evidence, including photos that have been analyzed (see the free Photo Analysis doc at my site), plus an abundance of specific, prophetically accurate information, much of which can be found in published, dated documents and books, years (and decades) before the "official" discoveries or occurrence of foretold events.

Again, lots of this can be freely found at my site, much of it on the homepage.

The fact that many people think that the case is a hoax, that there's no tangible, proven evidence, etc. is a testament to the success of some very strenuous, well orchestrated attempts at suppression and debunking by rather powerful parties, including the intelligence and military agencies of a number of countries - including the U.S. and even Switzerland. When 21 attempts on Meier's life failed, is it any wonder that attempts to assassinate his character have also been in motion?

I am the author of the linked article.

LOL...Yes I am familiar with debunkers myself. I have been following BM for quite a while, read the article, perused the photos etc.....I haven’t an answer to those seeking one but most the documentary evidence is fascinating. While I am aware of the prophecies and photos, my question is thus, and I may have missed something in this regards:

Has there been any physical evidence such as a piece of metal, cloth, food etc of which went under analysis and the outcome was undetermined? I ask this considering there have been numerous accounts of metal debris and such from other sources which have cropped up from time to time which after analysis, the determination was "unknown.

The metal samples were analyzed by IBM scientist Marcel Vogel and the videotape of that was published in the 1980s. We included some of it in our new film. Vogel stated that the samples were irreproducible with any technology available to him at the time.

The sound recordings, which also constitute physical evidence, were also analyzed by several different sound engineers and labs. They said that the sounds were irreproducible even with a bank of synthesizers at the time. (There's a Sound Analysis document at my site and one listing some of Vogel's patents.)

Welcome Michael812 and thanks for joining here to talk with us.

It seems that no matter what, there will always be those to jump on any of us that have seen these things, evidence or not. What they seem to not understand is why in the world would anyone want to bring such nonsense into their lives? Being ridiculed, called a lier. It just makes no sense. I can't say I know of what motive they'd have to do this? Other than it being from those who know, but don't want the rest of us to know. Again, it just makes no sense.

Thanks for taking the time to drop by.


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Thanks Kira, I appreciate the welcome.

You've definitely made a very valid point, especially in the case of Meier, who first published his UFO photos taken in India in 1964. With all of the personal trouble, to say nothing of the numerous attempts on his life, one would think that he would have quit speaking about it long ago if it was just a hoax. Since he isn't seeking fame or fortune, and doesn't make public appearances or lectures, etc. people might want to consider that, strange as it may seem, he might just be telling the truth.

And of course they can find out for themselves if that's the case.

Absolutely, that's why when we've had threads on him and people come to state he's an absolute fake, I just have to shake my head. Over and over, the threads turn into the same reruns. It never changes. That in it's self is more mind blowing than anything lol. Course, he's been around the longest, I think, as far as this subject goes.

I've seen so many of the videos made about him/with him. I just can't see how he'd go through all this over a story made up. And to have so many life threats, that alone should open some eyes.

Sorry, I'm old and my brain is just too full. Are you the one that visited him and made a video talking about his life and how he lives? I can't think of the name nor have it on hand atm. But that one was the clincher for me. I feel stupid asking the question, but oh well...


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The problem with almost every one of the critics is that they have failed to do the actual research, even into the easily available material, vast as it may be. And not a one of them has gone to Switzerland to see for themselves, to get their own first hand impressions of the situation.

In this virtual age it's easier for people to be armchair experts and to even trash people who they don't know, have never met, etc. than to do the hard work of discovery for themselves.

And the disinformation campaign by the powers that be influences many people, even those who don't think it affects them.

There have been a number of videos, films, etc. on the Meier case. The newest one is my film, The Silent Revolution of Truth, where he is extensively interviewed, along with many witnesses, family members, etc.

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In this virtual age it's easier for people to be armchair experts and to even trash people who they don't know, have never met, etc. than to do the hard work of discovery for themselves.

Absolutely!

I did a search and see it's not the one I'm thinking of. Will surely give a look at your videos and story. Thank you so much!

BM's is much more than someone just having a few sightings imho. His predictions, to me, far out weigh any debunking effort. That won't stop them (debunkers) though, but that's their problem.


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You're right, his in person contacts as said to be ongoing for the past 66+ years. And the meat of the matter is indeed in the predictions, spiritual teaching, etc.

Hi Micheal and welcome aboard! I hope you stick around and continue to share.

I have no doubt that Billy had contact...There are some things...that...well..are really..far out there. BUT overall there is truth in some of his words and what proof he has given.

Now for me....I find it easy to believe Billy...as I have been though..a LOT myself...with UFO and ET. Perhaps that is my disadvantage...I have seen and been and know that..there is much that many have no clue about...so I am much more accepting to things..

Billy will always be a controversy until..the full truth about UFO and ET are finally revealed to the world.. Me thinks we don't have much longer to wait.


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Hi entity,

I'm glad to see that there are people here who are willing to give the Meier case a fair examination, thanks.

Hi Michael812

I am surprised that none of the Moderators directed you to a previous thread about Billy Meier.

Although now locked, many defended BM (I have personally seen 16 UFOs, with 3 possible abductions).

I posted quality Links (Which you already know), but the skeptics did not bother to read. They were just googling any negative material on BM and rehashing it over and over.

Click on Link below:-

http://book-of-thoth.com/ftopic-17440-0.html



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Well not everyone can afford to fly to Switzerland just for Billy Meier.

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With all due respect, there are six categories of still irreproducible physical evidence, including photos that have been analyzed (see the free Photo Analysis doc at my site), plus an abundance of specific, prophetically accurate information, much of which can be found in published, dated documents and books, years (and decades) before the "official" discoveries or occurrence of foretold events.

Billy Meier's story, despite the "photographic evidence" and first hand accounts (get it? First HAND, har-har!), is not a new story. How many other self proclaimed prophets or contactees have reported the same things over and over again?

"Man is destroying the environment. Humanity needs to get its act together. Only then we unify under brotherhood will the Pleiadian gods from space accept us into the galactic federation".

In some regards it's the same plot-line as 'The Day the Earth Stood Still', opening today in a theater near you!

IMO, one need only look at some of Meier's photographs and footage to know, intuitively, that it is not legitimate documentation. And it was my understanding that some of his writings have been added on to over the decades, in order to make his "prophecies" appear more substantial than they actually were.

But people should give it a proper examination, yes. Even if it's fabricated, there is still a good message of togetherness and harmony there. Like I said, he's an interesting figure. In his own way he's a great artist, and I can respect that. I'm just not convinced that he actually made physical contact with ET.


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Hi nigelelan53,

Thanks, I was unaware of the previous threads. As usual, things got hot and heavy!

mad30,

I can only tell you that I made it my business, almost 10 years ago, to get myself to Switzerland to take the next step in discerning the truth about the case. Of course now I've put together a site that has tons of free info, sufficient I think to give people plenty to think through.

So forgive me if your statements about Meier's evidence not being a "new story", or about "self proclaimed prophets" seem meaningless but we're in a time that demands much better discernment, less generalization in the face of voluminous, specific, irreproducible evidence and far better knowledge of the facts.

As far as needing to "only look at some of Meier's photographs and footage to know, intuitively, that it is not legitimate documentation" please tell that to the poor skeptics whose huge failures to substantiate such claims are now legendary.

And we have many of Meier's prophecies and predictions in published, copyrighted, dated books and documents...contrary to your mistaken assumption.

However, my main focus at this time is in the area of the spiritual teaching from the case. I no longer need to get into lengthy debates about UFO photos; I think that is well settled now for anyone who has done their homework. I will only say that considering the amount of UFO, paranormal, conspiracy, etc. information on the internet - for which there is remarkably little actual evidence and/or substantiation - the quantity, quality and standards set by Meier's evidence are rarely if ever met.

Anyway, there's tons there for those who are interested.

Well said Michael!

You know...we are always looking for good articles on our front page..if you care to share..any of your work, I think it would fit well up there..

I must say..you do seem to have a way with words.


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Well, I didn't bring it up because I thought Michael had probably seen his share of threads just like it and it really wasn't productive at all. But we're family here and I'm sure every family has had episodes like that before. It happens

Hopefully this one will be different, seems the hoax callers aren't flocking to this thread as they normally do.

No, not everyone can just up and go to Switzerland and some peoples intuition form a different opinion when they see the pics. He IS an interesting human for sure! Even without the ufo's.


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Well, along with J.D. Salinger, Bettie Page, Neil Gaiman, Stephen King and a handful of others, I'd say that Billy Meier would definitely be on my list of the Top 10 or 15 people whom I'd love to sit down talk with for and interview. Being such a reclusive figure, it would be an honor to speak with the man 1 on 1.

Regardless of the "aliens", he's still a very interesting and thought provoking character, as well as an icon of 20th century UFOlogy. Despite my disagreements with his "evidence", he's worthy, in his own right, of being mentioned alongside such distinguished individuals as Edgar Cayce.

I'd also really love to speak to Travis Walton someday...

But hey, I'll settle for Blossom Goodchild... Or maybe not.


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