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Long, long ago it was explained to me that cholesterol was the body’s firefighter. When cardio-vascular tissue becomes damaged cholesterol is produced to repair it. All manner of different densities of cholesterol are produced because different densities are required for depth of muscle tissue penetration.

The cardio-vascular system is a muscle system. The heart and blood vessels are essentially three layers of bias-ply muscle … just like a radial tire and also similar to those big six-pack abdominal muscles or even the bowel. Cholesterol is deliberately produced by the body in response to vascular damage.

So what do the medicos say? Increased cholesterol correlates with increased vascular damage therefore cholesterol must be bad; lower it and the damage must lower, too. This is proven because healthy, damage-free people having lower levels of cholesterol. Piffle!

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A guy who was helping my family with some health issues said many interesting things. One was that the medication for "high" cholesterol is very dangerous, FAR more than cholesterol could be. He quit being a "doctor" because he could not stand being part of the ruse. We are told incredible lies.

Yes, RIGHT ON! And there is more, much more. Dr. Gary Null and others did some very extensive research and found that THE number one cause of death in the US is modren medicine! I found awhile back a great audio on this by Gary, but can't find it now. The link below is a full report.

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Dangers of Statin Drugs: What You Haven’t Been Told About Popular Cholesterol-Lowering Medicines

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Many people who feel perfectly healthy suffer from high cholesterol--in fact, feeling good is actually a symptom of high cholesterol!

Doctors who treat this new disease must first convince their patients that they are sick and need to take one or more expensive drugs for the rest of their lives, drugs that require regular checkups and blood tests. But such doctors do not work in a vacuum--their efforts to convert healthy people into patients are bolstered by the full weight of the US government, the media and the medical establishment, agencies that have worked in concert to disseminate the cholesterol dogma and convince the population that high cholesterol is the forerunner of heart disease and possibly other diseases as well.


Late-Breaking Cholesterol News

Researchers at the Tulane University School of Medicine used electron beam tomography (EBT) to measure the progression of plaque buildup in heart-attack patients taking statin drugs. EBT is a very accurate way to measure occlusion from calcium in the arteries. Contrary to expectations, the researchers discovered that the progression of coronary artery calcium (CAC) was significantly greater in patients receiving statins compared with event-free subjects despite similar levels of LDL-lowering. Said the researchers: "Continued expansion of CAC may indicate failure of some patients to benefit from statin therapy and an increased risk of having cardiovascular events (Arterioscler Thromb Vasc Biol, April 1, 2004).

Doctors have discovered that injections of a certain substance can reverse heart disease in some patients. The therapy has helped reduce the amount of plaque in the arteries, thereby negating the need for angioplasty and open heart surgery. That substance is HDL-cholesterol (www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert, March 1, 2004).

The Melbourne Women’s Midlife Health Project measured cholesterol levels annually in a group of 326 women aged 52-63 years. During the eighth annual visit, subjects took a test that assessed memory. They found that higher serum concentrations of LDL-cholesterol and relatively recent increases in total cholesterol and LDL-cholesterol were associated with better memory in healthy middle-aged women (J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 2003;74:1530-1535.)

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Juno54 wrote:

A guy who was helping my family with some health issues said many interesting things. One was that the medication for "high" cholesterol is very dangerous, FAR more than cholesterol could be. He quit being a "doctor" because he could not stand being part of the ruse. We are told incredible lies.

Very much so .......... my Mom of 74 is busy losing the use of her liver as a result of 16 years of the use of Lip*tor ......... three specialists have insisted with heavily "veiled" advice that she stop using the choletrol medication.

By "veiled" I mean that they would not outright state that it was the Lip*tor that caused her liver problem, but told her that should she not give them up her condition would worsen.


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Hi I was on Lip*tor for about a week, I felt horrible that whole week..
I have since found out that grapefruit juice does exactly the same thing....
WARNING Do not drink grapefruit juice whilst on cholesterol lowering meds!!!!!!!



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Do not drink grapefruit juice whilst on cholesterol lowering meds!!!!!!!

This info is on every leaflet inside the boxes of statins meds here in the UK crux..whether people read them is another matter...



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Do not drink grapefruit juice whilst on cholesterol lowering meds!!!!!!!

Actiually I'm surprised everyone does not know this. Grapefruit juice enhances the effects of ANY drug you take...wheteher over the counter or prescribed. And not for the good............

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Wow...hope my Dad knows this. He's on meds for cholesterol () and loves grapefruit juice. He hasn't been to see the guy I mentioned before, and probably won't.

crux wrote:

Hi I was on Lip*tor for about a week, I felt horrible that whole week..
I have since found out that grapefruit juice does exactly the same thing....
WARNING Do not drink grapefruit juice whilst on cholesterol lowering meds!!!!!!!

Seriously ....... does grapefruit really bring down the (bad) cholestrol count ?

I am trying my best to cut out foods and meds that are not good for me.

I am battling with headaches and irritability and believe that they both are a result of things I take and/or eat.

And if I can cut out the meds so much the better for me ....... currently I take high blood pressure meds and supposed to be taking high cholestrol meds as well but have not yet started taking them.

The "blood group diet" is praised by many and shot down by just as many, but must say that I am feeling a bit better for it. It was origionally meant for weight loss, but I am using it to hopefully eliminate foodstuffs that "irritate" my digestive system/stomach which I believe is the source of my headaches and irritability.

Thanks for the replies and input, keep 'em coming in ....


Graham


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Yeah Graham as far as I know, another good one is barley it sops up the bad stuff...
The main thing is though mate, stay away from the greasy food. eat lean meat, fish, and chicken...


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Graham...I love hearing that people are so interested and hands-on about looking after themselves as you are.

I have been gluten and dairy free for 5yrs. And some additives, colours etc. I'm also trying to pay attention to the whole acid/alkaline thing and keeping my sugar intake low. My arthritis, psoriasis, moods (I'm bi-polar), headaches and clarity of thought have all vastly improved. For my son, who is on this diet and is autistic, the difference has been night and day. My daughter is dairy free and must avoid cured meats as it aggravates her epilepsy.

Keep trucking Graham and take care.

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Do not drink grapefruit juice whilst on cholesterol lowering meds!!!!!!!

Actiually I'm surprised everyone does not know this. Grapefruit juice enhances the effects of ANY drug you take...wheteher over the counter or prescribed. And not for the good............

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Hmm, sorry but my info is somewhat the opposite. There is a local drug testing company (Northwest Kinetics 253-593-5304, they test drugs on human volunteers) that discovered the opposite. They were quite proud of their discovery. Grapefruit juice blocks the absorption of many drugs. They had several people that did not react to the drugs that were given to them at all. Questioning revealed that they were taking their meds with grapefruit juice!
I think this info is more directly from "the horses mouth." So if you want the drugs to work, don't take them with grapefruit juice. If you want to stop the drugs from working then take them with grapefruit juice. Best idea of all is avoid all prescription drugs.

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Grapefruits seem to be healthy....

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INTERACTIONS OF GRAPEFRUIT WITH MEDICATIONS
Grapefruit has become an important part of breakfast. Many people have been attracted to grapefruit because of its cholesterol-lowering abilities and its reported benefits against cancer. However, what is not known, is the possible interaction of grapefruit with many prescription medications. Grapefruit interacts with many cholesterol-lowering drugs, antihistamines, psychiatric medications, and others. In some cases, the results are fatal. The victims may suffer from severe, elevated side reactions that is not normally observed when the drug is administered in prescribed doses. Because of this, the role of grapefruit in initiating this condition may not be known and the health care givers may assign other causes. We will examine the mechanism in which the grapefruit interacts with prescription medications. We will also look into clinical evidences.

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William Cook's Cholesterol Plunges on Tower Heart Technology Formula


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In 1985 Harwood, et. al., made the important discovery that ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) is the human body's natural HMG-CoA reductase inhibitor, without the liver-destroying potential. When vitamin C levels are low, the body compensates and manufactures more cholesterol; when vitamin levels are high, vitamin C inhibits HMG-CoA reductase, predictably lowering cholesterol.

Cook, declined the artificial statin in mid-April of 2002 following emergency triple bypass surgery. Instead, he began Tower Heart Technology after watching a video of Nobelist Linus Pauling explaining the value of vitamin C for cardiovascular disease. William had his first heart attack on March 17, 2002 and a second 10 days later on March 27, 2002. In December of 2001 prior to his heart attacks, Bill's numbers had been Cholesterol 242 and LDL Cholesterol 163.

Cook and long-time friend Sally Jewell had both worried about their decision, but they became jubilant after the blood tests results came in, " To our wonderment and surprise, in 8 months his cholesterol had dropped from 246 to 164 and his LDL cholesterol had dropped from 163 to 101, all on 2 jars of Tower Heart Technology per month, plus 2,000 mg. additional vitamin C as ascorbic acid."

When the lab report was examined, William's doctor said, "I've never seen such a drop in cholesterol numbers. If cardiologists knew this, they would be recommending vitamin C and lysine therapy to all their patients."

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For almost forty years, the lipid hypothesis or diet-heart idea has dominated medical thinking about heart disease. In broad outlines, this theory proposes that when we eat foods rich in saturated fat and cholesterol, cholesterol is then deposited in our arteries in the form of plaque or atheromas that cause blockages. If the blockages become severe, or if a clot forms that cannot get past the plaque, the heart is starved of blood and a heart attack occurs.

Many distinguished scientists have pointed to serious flaws in this theory, beginning with the fact that heart disease in America has increased during the period when consumption of saturated fat has decreased. "The diet-heart idea," said the distinguished George Mann, "is the greatest scam in the history of medicine."And the chorus of dissidents continues to grow, even as this increasingly untenable theory has been applied to the whole population, starting with lowfat diets for growing children and mass medication with cholesterol-lowering drugs for adults.

But if it ain't cholesterol, what causes heart disease?........

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Hi all ......

Just to come back to the grapefruit issue to clarify something .......

It has been said here that grapefruit is good for/combats cholestrol, yet adversely affects the performamce of meds taken at the same time ......... am I correct here ?

If so, then taking grapefruit for cholestrol is going to cause problems elsewhere if meds are taken for other conditions


Graham


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Hi Graham.. I don't know about "other meds' ...
generally the meds have that sort of info in the packet with them..
I think its best you get your hands on a "MIMS" and check each individual drug themselves...
If your friendly with your doctor or pharmasist, they just might give you last years edition...
better safe than sorry....


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It has been said here that grapefruit is good for/combats cholestrol, yet adversely affects the performamce of meds taken at the same time ......... am I correct here ?

You are correct, Graham. If you are taking any medicine, you can google it. There are several sites that list the cautions and side effects. Also as an added precaution ask your doctor or pharmacist.


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The people I know who are on blood pressure medication aren't allowed grapefruit juice either..


If you look up the nutrients of grape fruit.. they are rather high in many vitamins and minerals...

In the old days.. many used to start the day with half a grapefruit... ..

They were healthy..


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Furanocoumarins In Grapefruit Interact Dangerously With Some Medications


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Furanocoumarins In Grapefruit Interact Dangerously With Some Medications

This reminds me of what a (now dead) friend of mine said the doctor told her. That Beta carotene would stop the Kemo from working. I'm quite sure that info is actually dis information, designed to keep people from healing. The people that start these lies should be tried for mass murder.
Back in the early 1980's I suggested to my mother that she consume Beta Carotene with her Kemo. I asked her to consume 50,000 IU of Beta Carotene a day and she did for almost a year. She did extremely well, even though her test had shown 13 out of 20 lymph nodes with cancer!
Is this grapefuit scare the same sort of thing? I would not be surprised.

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Some of the more recent studies have found a more enjoyable solution to high cholesterol.

Alcohol seems to stop the build up of cholesterol..

Sooo... a drink a day keeps the nasty doctors away..


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When vitamin C levels are low, the body compensates and manufactures more cholesterol; when vitamin levels are high, vitamin C inhibits HMG-CoA reductase, predictably lowering cholesterol.
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Pfeiffer’s Law

We have found that if a drug can be found to do the job of medical healing, a nutrient can be found to do the same job. When we understand how a drug works, we can imitate its action with one of the nutrients. For example, antidepressants usually enhance the effect of serotonin and epinephrines. We now know that if we give the amino acids tryptophan (increased with niacin supplementation) or tyrosine, the body can synthesize these neurotransmitters, thereby achieving the same effect and imitating or adding to the net effect of these drugs. Nutrients have fewer, milder side effects, and the challenge of the future is to replace or sometimes combine drugs with the natural healers called nutrients.[1434]

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This synergy of Cholesterol with vitamin C.... ( I take lots of vitamin C and have coincidently found that I have very low cholesterol) could mean that perhaps cholesterol is another way the body compensates.. utilizes antioxidants.. cleans away toxins.. ( stores it / or envelopes it in fat? to eventually flush it out? )

Other too have come to that conclusion... ( as I know many people who are very health conscious and into low fat diets... aren't taking more than the recommended amounts of vitamin C and have high cholesterol)...

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Current emphasis on cholesterol as agency if not cause of human atherosclerosis and subsequent cardiovascular disease ignores the essentiality of cholesterol in life processes. Additionally ignored is the ubiquitous presence of low levels of oxidized cholesterol derivatives (oxysterols) in human blood and select tissues, oxysterols also implicated in atherosclerosis. Whereas such oxysterols may be regarded putatively as agents injurious to the aorta, an alternative view of some of them is here proposed: that B-ring oxidized oxysterols of human blood represent past interception of blood and tissue oxidants in vivo by cholesterol as an ordinary aspect of oxygen metabolism. Such interception and subsequent efficient hepatic metabolism of oxysterols so formed, with biliary secretion and fecal excretion, constitute as in vivo antioxidant system.

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Some research indicates that cholesterol may act as an antioxidant. [4] Cholesterol also aids in the manufacture of bile (which is stored in

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"It does appear that antioxidant vitamins may be potentially harmful for the heart based on their ability to increase the secretion of VLDL (very low density lipoprotein) in the liver cells and in the mice that we studied," says Dr. Fisher.

After its secretion from the liver, VLDL is converted in the bloodstream to low-density lipoprotein (LDL), the so-called bad form of cholesterol. The liver is the major source of atherosclerosis-causing lipoproteins. "However, our study is the first to document this association between antioxidant vitamins and VLDL cholesterol, and more studies are needed to back up our findings," says Dr. Fisher.

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but it could mean that... like the other vitamin and diabetes review.... that finding cholesterol in the blood means that it is busy working.. cleaning up the body... the anti- oxidants are releasing the LDL and is transporting it thru the body for eventual excretion...

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Hi ScientistGeorge

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The people that start these lies should be tried for mass murder.

Yip, scandalous what these people get away with ...........

Here is what Paracelsus had to say about the medical fraternity way back in the 1400's already !!!!!

The utter contempt which Paracelsus felt for the narrow systems of medicine in vogue in his lifetime, and his conviction of their inadequacy, are best expressed in his own quiant way:
"But the number of diseases that originate from some unknown causes is far greater than those that come from mechanical causes, and for such diseases our physicians know no cure because not knowing such causes cannot remove them. All they can prudently do is to observe the patient and make their guesses about his condition : and the patient may rest satisfied if the medicines administered him do no serious harm, and do not prevent his recovery. The best of our popular physicians are the ones that do least harm. But, unfortunately, some poison their patients with mercury, others purge them or bleed them to death. There are some who have learnt so much that their learning has driven out all their common sense, and there are others who care a great deal more for ther own profit than for the health of their patients. A disease does not change its state to accommodate itself to the knowledge of the physician, but the physician should understand the causes of the disease. A physician should be a servant of Nature, and not her enemy; he should be able to guide her in her struggle for life and not throw, by his unreasonable interference, fresh obstacles in the way of recovery."

Agreed that there are some wonderful medical people out there that do wonderful work and are sincere, but when it comes to medicines and there effectiveness and their side-effects, I think most are led around by the nose.


Graham


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... another look at causes of heart disease...

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The Cause of Heart Disease: High Cholesterol or Excess Calcium?
It was cardiologist Dr. Stephen Seely who published a treatise in the International Journal of Cardiology in 1991, entitled “Is Calcium Excess in the Western Diet a Major Cause of Arterial Disease?”. In this article, Dr.Seely states that he believes excess calcium intake is a major cause of atherosclerosis in Western countries.

He contended that young adults need only 300-400 mg of calcium daily, and older adults need even less. In countries where the daily calcium intake is 200-400 mg, arterial diseases are non-existent and blood pressure does not increase with age.

Dr. Seely also stated that in other countries where the calcium intake is 800mg and above (USA, New Zealand, Scandinavian countries, Ireland), arterial disease is the leading cause of mortality. Dr. Seely points out that cholesterol only represents 3% of arterial plaque, while calcium makes up 50% (4).

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Vytorin Scientific Fraud and Parody Cholesterol Ad

The Statin Scam Marches On

“Statins Found to Turn On Gene that Causes Muscle Damage.” It’s now a fact of science; a new study shows that taking statins destroys your muscle to a greater or lesser degree. And let’s not forget that the heart is a muscle.



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