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To me it seems logical... lots of others seem to have come to the same conclusions...

What do you think.. and why???

Just so we are on the same page here. Please state your definition of angels and spirit.

Thanks,
dolphin

In this case I am referring to the Biblical angels... spirits.. as in inter dimensional entities....





Also , during my various courses in healing modalites.. the teachers and other students often talked of spirit entities.. some channeled, that were from other planets.. constellations..

Also there is much written about Jesus coming from the Venusian constellations...


and there is some interesting info here.. [url=http://www.askrealjesus.com/K_JESUS_ANSWERS/J_BIBLE_INTERPR/morningstar.html] A spiritual being from Venus, named Sanat Kumara, volunteered to travel to Earth and manifest a physical presence on this planet in order to hold the spiritual balance for planet Earth until a sufficient number of people had been raised up so that they could hold the spiritual balance themselves. There were 144,000 souls who volunteered to follow Sanat Kumara, and I was one of those souls.
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Once we connect the 'dots'... link all the connected evidence.. hearsay.. history.. biblical tales.. legend.. mass sightings...paranormal happenings... the ...

the modern versions... of Thule.. Paperclip... Disclosures...


[url=http://blogs.sun.com/MinnieTanglao/entry/disclosure_project1]# The Vatican is especially worried over these forthcoming announcements. They have asked the American government to hold back, especially on the religious question, so there is more time for them to prepare. Dr Wolf said the Pope has changed the Roman Catholic view on God. "Their future line will be 'we are not in the image of God but our souls are'."
# About God and death: "Our bodies are merely containers for the soul. When people die their consciousness simply moves into another dimension." On God Dr Wolf said, "Some ETs call God The Forever - the creator behind everything in the universe." On Jesus Christ , "He was of joint ET/human heritage - sent to Earth as an attempt to end human violence." Whether a Zeta, Pleiadian, Altaran, Human etc.. we share the same God - we are all family. [/url]

we will have a greater understanding we'll have a stronger foundation.. would be able to link more evidence.. and give this elusive topic more .. depth... leading to many 'Ahah' ... now ...'I get it' moments...

some more supporting ideas... [url=http://www.mt.net/~watcher/ufos.html] Jesus Christ explained to His apostles what events would immediately precede His second coming, "It shall be exactly as in the days before Noah entered the ark". Matt 24:38 , Luke 17:27. What is the significance of this statement and how does it relate to Ufos? The Flood epic Gen. 6 begins with a strange account of the "sons of God" (b'nai Elohim), taking wives from among the daughters of Adam. "In those days giants [nephilim] were in the earth, the men of renown of whom ancient tales are told".


The word which is translated, "giants", in the King James version of the Bible is, in Hebrew, "Nephilim", which means, "Those who fell, or ... the fallen ones". Jude, the brother of Jesus describes them as "angels, having left their first estate in heaven". These fallen angels came to earth for their own purposes, to interfere in the development of human civilization.


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then there are tales about Jesus being one of the reincarnated forms of the soul of [url=http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen042.html]Jesus as a Reincarnation of Melchizedek
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Well...having had my fill of personal experiences ...with ET...I would have to say...nope...notta chance that these beings are angelic.

I would have to say that...MOST religions are based on Extraterrestrials...and we were mislead about it...as people worships their gods...that are.. unknowingly extraterrestrials..

Now don't get me wrong...I am not saying they are any part of religion...I am saying that...IMO...People are praying and putting faith into something that became the religions we have...due to misinterpretations...and misdirection from a long time ago..
ET ...is not anything more than..beings..that are from another planet...or..maybe even another dimension..beings that are nothing like us..

I find it funny that religious people ofter put it all in the same category...that is something I will never understand...as it cannot be further from the truth.

It will be interesting ..when it all come crumbling down...do to the fact..we all have been lied to all our lives..about EVERYTHING..including what we have come to put our faith in...and believe.

I think more and more of us a slowly starting to suspect....



And we will be surprisingly OK with it... just like we were when suddenly the Easter bunny didn't come one year.....

Does he still come to you???

What do you mean? *peeshaw* I AM the Easter bunny!

Anyone that has any interest and has read much on it knows that this is where religion was born. My only problem is that I think it's more than just ET's. Dimensions play in this and spirit and angels, to me are part of that. There's more to it than space, other planets etc.

If I had the time to read all your links CS I would, but my brain is close to out growing it's confines as it is. I could never think to know the how and whats of all this. Nor do I think I want to. I do agree that we will be surprisingly ok with it, just a feeling, but it can't continue as is, so the only other thing is to change, evolve or just start over...

heh heh screwed up on easter bunny

Wow, big question CS.

I guess the answer would vary radically depending on the standpoint of the questioner and how you define these three concepts: ET, angel, spirit.

Let's start with the concept of "ET". It really just means Extra Terrestrial: that which comes from anywhere other than planet earth. So by that definition the microbes they are soon going to admit to finding on Mars are ETs. But when we say ET we usually confine this to mean something of the intelligence band that we can engage with. I guess a microbe wouldn't have too much to say for itself. But anyway, by the definition of "intelligent life from another planet" it would certainly seem as if Entities contacts have been with ETs. So okay, but what about other interactions with beings different from that? What about, as Kira suggests, beings from other dimensions? These other dimensions are not exactly geographically distinct from planet earth. They are dimensionally distinct but all other dimensions are essentially "right here". So are such beings "extra-terrestrial"? I don't know. That depends on your definition. Certainly such being might be viewed as "spirit" and, if they are of sufficiently elevated energy and appear sufficiently benign to us we might even label them as "angels" too.

But then is it not so that we are all "spirit"? I content that we are, each of us, a spirit being having a human experience. So on some level we too are spirit.

And is it not so that the word "angel" means "messenger"? It is meant to be a messenger from God. But if you understand God to be Source and if you understand that to be present in the Oneness of ALL then... umm... isn't it possible that any spirit being that holds the experience of the oneness of all essentially an Angel? Certainly such a being would be magnificently powerful, would radiate the light of the oneness and would only be able to do good by you (as It knows you and It are really One). So I guess you could call such a being an angel. But would you call it an ET? I don't know. If it said to you that it is from another star system maybe you would?

The interactions I have had have been more of the latter type. I have engaged with beings that have not appeared to me in normal 3D. Kinda like seeing an aura, you see them with your "inner sight". I don't talk about this much because there is no way to verify this and it would almost certainly not have been visible to another random person standing next to me. These experiences are intensely personal and not really something I feel any desire to try convincing other people that they occured. But these experiences were very real to me. And the beings that I engage with bring me the most incredible sense of peace, of being loved, of being SEEN. It is like I am completely known, accepted, loved and understood. And with infinite patience they will engage with my silly human baby-talk and they will slow their thoughts to the snails-pace required to communicate with me. What are these beings? Are they ETs? Angels? Spirit? Again, it depends on your definition. Maybe they are all of these things, maybe none.

It is clear that my experiences and those of Entity are markedly different from each other and that we are engaging with different beings with different agendas. It is my belief that there are many, MANY more than just these two types that one could engage with. Given how small our planet is in comparison with the rest of the known universe and given the infinity of what else there is if one includes all the other universes and dimensional realities then I think it is inevitable that there is an infinite number of other consciousnesses "out there". Given this, I think it might be somewhat restrictive to only have these three labels to work with. And, yes, it is true that these labels probably do intersect in many points but probably do not intersect in others.

And that is my view. But it is only mine and clearly there are radically different views that would be equally valid.

oh... wanted to add:

I think if one is looking at figures from the various religious traditions then, yes, I very firmly believe most of them were ETs.

I know it is contentious but I believe the "God" of the bible and his angels were ETs. I must say I resonate quite strongly with a lot of what Sitchin has to say on this subject. And it goes further. I mean what of the blue skinned Lord Krishna? I reckon all the worlds religions have probably got bunch of ETs in them somewhere playing the roles of the deities. This does not, in my eyes, make them any the lesser though! Wise powerful and beneficent beings sharing their teachings are a good thing wherever they hail from.

So yes, in this instance I very much do agree that Spirit, Angel and ET could be the same thing.

I was thinking how refreshing it is to have some really deep discussions without skeptics.. interrupting your flow of thoughts.. like on some other sites...


Yes.. I get the idea of different dimensions existing on earth... but in a sense we also see them as different worlds...( as in realities)..Sure we all have our own unique realities.. that coexist with others also experiencing life here... and I gather there is something in 'Doreen Virtues'.. idea that parallel realities... that we jump from .. from time to time.. depending on some choices we make... As I have discovered some of these experiences.. where I suddenly feel a jolt.. like an electric shock... or an almost accident... and then suddenly the world seems a little different.. the colors and smells are a little different.. the light changes.. You suddenly notice the trees seem to have grown.. plants are in the garden that you hadn't seem before.. some obvious memories.. conversations .. incidents you remember didn't happen according to those you try and discuss the event with randomly later...

I have had things that have disappeared a couple of moves/addresses ago suddenly appear in the most unexpected places years later.. like they have suddenly just appeared...

Lots of weird experiences like that...

I have seen people who have mysteriously.. like actors.. recreated a scenario that I wasn't happy about.. that I hadn't handled properly.. in the past...suddenly create a similar situation.. I do my part correctly.. and I notice a mind.. eye contact.. a soul smile. a soul wink.... blue light coming from these people's eyes... Yes they seem angelic...

Like fixing my Karma... so that I can focus on more important things.. ( is the subliminal message I get...so that I can move on...)

I have also seen people morph into waxy red faces.. red eyes.....they were darker energies.. also on the prowl.. noting me.. telepathically greeting.. letting me know that they recognize me...

Spooky too..
I do not feel in danger...

Yes they are spirit.. alien??? entities living amongst us... manipulating our reality???

I get the impression they also exist in other worlds.. so .. like multi personalities.. channeling.. they enter the body.. only momentarily perhaps??? like when we are in a daze.. day dream state.. and for a short time take over our human forms???

Do you have any more on this??? Explanation wise.. idea wise???






I get.. or feel that most UFO.. ET.. contact is interdimensional... Like OBE's they can 'be' where ever 'thought'.. 'intent' takes them... they can also lower/alter their vibrations.. via focus... or harnessing surrounding energies.... to interact.. influence this world... just like we.. if we really try.. can influence reality......


That they are from.. exist..in other constellations too..

I get the impression I exist in several dimensions.. realities.. mainly by my being rather spacey sometimes.. like subconsciously tuning in.. the number of times I have walked into invisible walls.. stepped in some hole that doesn't exist in this reality.. feel water.. rain.. when nothing is there.. feel a bump.. when I haven't moved from even a chair... feel breezes blow at my face.. blow my hair .. when the windows were shut...

The number of times I have played a new dvd..cd.. and the most amazing music has come from it.. when I listen to it again.. it isn't there... ( for a while I thought there may have been two sides to them)

Yes weird things happen.. that I don't understand.. but make life more interesting...



The biblical gods.. and angels.. are all said.. or say.. that they come from the heavens.. so.. they as good as say that they come from other worlds...other planets... moons...

I also believe that many different types of ET's have landed on earth over millions of years.. and left their mark.. via..the different races...different traits.... many ancient tribes.. ancient tales speak of gods..and the wars in the heavens...

So I gather there were wars fought amongst those of other worlds over Earth..in the past... maybe as earth was seen as a source of valuable minerals...
http://xfacts.com/sumerian_culture.html
There is much evidence of prehistoric mining..
http://www.exploringthenorth.com/cophis ... phist.html
http://www.pureinsight.org/node/1899
http://copperculture.homestead.com/

I also get the idea that they brought plants and animals from their worlds..... thinking of Earth.. as an Ark .. a zoo .. a huge green house.. to keep parts of their world safe.. to grow their foods.. whilst they are here...


Just like we are planning to do with Mars and other moons.. within this century....


Note how territorial we are.. I gather those of other worlds were too...

My understanding is that when a soul is "created" or "born" even though all souls are created from the same energy, and thus on that level "look" the same, upon being born into thier first physical life to a given planet or realm, they then take on, in soul form, the form of life that is indiginous to the planet or realm of their first physical life.

Upon returning to soul form one can travel to other dimensions and worlds, once one learns how. If we take our first soul form with us to a new world and life, does that make us an ET?

I also understand that there have been many "species" or peoples from other worlds and realms who came to the Earth in physical form and blended their unique qualities with the Earth race. Does that make us the aliens on Earth? What would a true pure Earth child look like?

I believe, or perhaps know is a better word, that Angels and Deamons are the soul form of very knowledgable and thus powerful and ancient beings, not just messangers of God or evil doers, who have taken it upon themselves to aide humanity in their journey of advancment and ascension. They come from many realms and thus on the soul level have many forms, but being as knowledgable as they are they can take on any form or shape they choose, what ever they feel we will learn or benifit from best. This includes many of whom humanty call Deamons. After all, the ancient Hebrew and Jewish texts do call Satan to be the right hand of creation and the Judge of mankind, for good and ill. Does this make them ETs?

A soul, with the proper knowledge and abilities, can devide its self into numerious parts or pieces, each being a part of the whole, holds and contains the same knowledge and abilities of the whole. By doing this a given soul can not only achieve numerious tasks at the same time but can learn numerious lessons in a shorter amount of time. Once a person has learned to tap into their soul memories they can access the knowledge gleaned from those many other lives, including thier own past lives. AND they can then see and come to understand their origional soul "species". How many of us are ETs? Was your soul origionally born to the Earth? Or are you an Annanuki, a Sangrean, Tautha de Dannon, Essian, or one of the many other soul species. Are you an ET?

As for animal and plant species being intorduced upon the Earth, yup. That certainly explains the large variaty of species and the ancient mythological species as well. Was the "veil" or barrier between realms so thin that species from other worlds slipped through and either chose to stay or got stuck here? It is said that the viel is thinning again, will be begin seeing other species? Or have we already begun to. Hmmmmmm.....Bigfoot??

If and when others came to the Earth in physical form they would most certainly bring their favorite foods in the form of plants and animals to sustain themselves.

Gods are but knowledgable and thus powerful souls who have lived many thousands of lives and learned how to manipulate the energy that is all and thus manipulate those who are less knowledgable. How many "Gods" are possible on the Earth, in physical form, in part or in whole, leading and teaching humanity? Wouldnt that make Gods and Angels one in the same? And Deamons? One cultures God or Angel is anothers Deamon. Are we not each capable of eventually gaining the knowledge to become a "God"? How do you know you are not a "piece" of one at present?

In short, is every soul form not origionally soul born to and of the Earth, an ET?

Namana

Maybe... I do believe that we are descendants of ET's..

'just like the future Martians.. once we colonize Mars will be Et's until enough generations have past and they could officially see themselves as Martians...

I do also think that we will find evidence of past colonizations on Mars... Who knows there could be some living subterraneanly there already... There are certainly enough clues...
These worm like could easily be solar domes..tunnels...
There are many indications that there are tunnels on Mars.. thought to be Lava tubes... that the NASA people are thinking of utilizing for future bases.,. colonies....



There is rumors of evidence of civilizations on the Moon too.. and I do think there is a possibility that it was created or adapted ,by and intelligent force..

Just like the moons of Mars were once considered artificiall satelites.. who knows they could be... Maybe that is what gave us Earthlings the idea of utilizing other asteroids for a similar purpose...Mining.. settlement.. future space stations...

Space hotels have already been commissioned... !!!

Hello Crystalsage:

I have some interesting reading. Scroll down on the right side of the Home Page. There is an All Seeing Eye. Next to the Eye are two link buttons, COOLSTUFF (UFOS) and ENOCH (The Book Of Enoch) This is the extra Biblical text Book Of Enoch. The chapter, The Watchers explains the possible true identity of what we call Aliens. This is a very interesting 2000 year old text. Its all there up to and including genetic mixing, us with them resulting in a half/breed race called the Nephilim. All of the files are in PDF format and easy to see or download. In fact everything on my pages are wide-opened and downloadable.

Of note: According to Biblical History only two normal Human Beings have been taken to Heaven alive. That is they never experienced physical death. They were changed instantly into immortal beings as they found favor with The Father/Creator/God. They are Elisha and Enoch. Also of note is that portions of The Book Of Enoch were found among The Dead Sea Scrolls. These beings, The Watchers obviously had both Supernatural and Physical attributes according to Enoch's account. I believe that because the Lord/Creator loves us (Mankind) they (The Watchers) hate us. It is envy. They are not our teachers or brothers. That is a deception. Read for your self and come to your own conclusion.

Take Care and Blessings, Guitarmo

I have just started looking at your Web page.. thanks...

That's not really what Crystal is saying. He/she is actually agreeing with you, that people interpreted encounters with these beings as encounters with demons/angels.


I don't think there is any denying that they have been interpreted in this way. The common greys and those similar to them don't have a nice look to them. What is also very peculiar that during alot of modern day encounters with these types of beings the smell of sulphur is noticed. A cologne that good ol' Beelzebub likes, according to religious writings.

Folklore and myths in Africa, South America and Europe are also full of tales of small "demons" or demon-like creatures that would steal children during the night or do other intrusive things. All stuff that should ring a bell.

Then there are the so called "angels". After the greys, one of the most common "alien" species that people talk about are what is often referred to as the "Pleiadens". They could easily be stamped as angelic by ancient men because they are said to look perfect in their physical appearance. Also, angels are said to have no sexual organs which is also something that is noticed during alot of modern day encounters.


I personally don't believe there is such a thing as angels or demons, certainly not in the way they are presented in religious dogma. It could be that the tales of people meeting an angel or the alledged encounter of the virgin Mary with the angel Gabriël was just a psychology thesis of some Pleiaden on how to mess with the psyche of primitive civilisations.

There was a period of about 7 years when I could see auras around everyone..everything if I focused on it.. It was quite fun looking at the aura's of people in church.. some had really bright ones.. colorful ones and others had none at all.. seemed dead ...


During that time.. depending on how I tuned my focus.. I could see what looked like meridian lines on people.. ( I didn't understand what I was seeing at that time as I had no contact with spiritual people or read anything about this before.. and I panicked a little.. well .. a lot.. I thought that we were all puppets but weren't aware of it... the strings.. looked like thing strings of champaign bubbles..the ones I saw on me were gold...

I could also see energy fields.. when I changed focus.. some was dense.. some was dark.. some was like smoke.. some looked like viewing the static on a television screen when it isn't programed into a channel... some looked like vapor.. and moved around.. floated around.. they were all shapes and sizes.. some were recognizable... sometimes I could see what looked like symbols of neon lights.. in shades of blue .. purple..yellow.. red... pink... ( still see them now occasionally) .. sometimes when people spoke I could see what looked like smoke.. steam coming from peoples mouths and grow..and attach to other people.. ... not the normal steam like on a cold day...

I have seen astral bodies sit up and leave a sleeping body.. before I even knew what I was seeing.. ( I thought that the person must have died.. and the spirit was leaving it...)
I have woken up and seen people staring at me when I woke up in the middle of the night.. and disappear in sparkles of blue lights.. just like they do ..in fairy stories in the movies...
Most of these experiences occurred years before I ever heard or read about them ( Catholic upbringing.. so these explorations were not encouraged).... so this.. to me validates it as I could not have imagined it.. the fact that these and many more experiences were not one offs.. but went on for years makes them real experiences to me.. They stopped once I had twins... to busy.. too little sleep.. too distracted.. to go in 'Zen ' like modes...



Many of these experiences I have yet to read about to understand....

I have seen ghostly figures that looked biblical...but don't recall seeing any of the classic. greys.. But I have had many 'time gain.. and time loss' anomalies.. problems with electric appliances... that go with Et experiences...

I have moved this thread to "Ghost and Spirit" as it seems to be very little of actual ET and more of other entities...Making it more suited in this section.

If anyone one feels this is not right.....feel free to PM me and we can discuss it..

Good move Entity.

These 'entities' in various channeled readings.. or the various 'spirit entities' that manifest.( holographically?) often mention that they are from 'such and such' planet or constellation..

These 'entities' have readable energies.. can influence our reality... can influence our emotions.. feelings.. share knowledge.. have a conscious.. can communicate.. interact.. can according to Shamans,l , healers and other contactees communicate and interact with us.

Have been recorded in many documents including religious writings..

Can spirit.. ethereal beings.. of various densities be considered a 'life form' ?

and by our classification..of 'belonging' ... to other planet systems make them legally residents of those lands.. planets.. times... thus



Extraterrestrials


It's about 'reclassification'... are we talking about several things.. versions of consciousness.. if they are attacted to personalities.. does it make them a life form.. or does a physical body have to be attached to qualify..

Then again.. scientifically.. we to are just made up of various vibrating energies.. that make us look solid..

we are slower vibrations.. the alleged spirit aliens are less dense.. of higher or different frequency vibrations.. so don't quite resonate as well our our wave lengths frequencies.. Does it mean they don't exist just because our man made solid scientific paraphernalia can't yet register them? .. or if they do.. we don't yet know how to read the data...


Are we missing out on lots of vital clues as to what Extra Terrestrials and spirit.. and angels.. are via silly segregating.. compartmentalizations..as is happening here?





I think we are...

If we pool all paranormal.. spirit.. angel.. et.. UFO.. religious..mystical..mythical.. alchemical... ghost... demon.... energetic.. science.. psychics.. 'gifted' people. information together ... like a multi dimensional jigsaw...

We may have a better chance at understanding what it all is.. learn how to interact better... finally prove it's existence and develop scientific tools to interact... learn and grow ..

Angels and spiritscould most definetly be extra terrestrial beings that came to earth to enlighten poeple about technology and poeple mis interpreted them as gods or angels coming from the heavens to bless them with knowledge. They are seen inside most of the ancient pictures and stories as gods or angels. They refering to extra terrestrials could very well be the gods of all religeons and jesus could have been one as well for all we know he could have been given the secret to eternil life and how to bring back life along with healing. Not only that but he could have been a Atlantian which is how he would have been able to heal poeple these are easily misinterpreted by the humans of old but us as the new age should be able to see the light.

I have heard about shadow ghosts being alien, not sure all of them are.

Just throwing it out there...

Many humans deny connections with 'spirits', 'angels', and the E.T. all same because of fear of the unknown. I could see it being possible that the E.T. could be spirits or angels manifesting themselves in what appears to be very similar to an 'earth body' just so we'd have admit they are real. Idk.... Check out the Terrence McKenna Video here on thoth.

Entity


I would agree with you on this one Entity. I would like to add that not all Angels are as good as they are made out to be. After all Gabriel flattened the walls of Jericho with a sonic weapon.

Take from that what you will!

I have pieced together my own theory which is that so called "demons" are really E.T.s that exist on the 4th dimensional plane. I could also see many E.T.s from the 4th and 5th dimension being confused for Angels. I have heard that angels come from the 6th dimension and up. I don't know what life would be like on those planes of consciousness. Do angels have a home base on a planet or a specific location in space? If so would that make them aliens?

I have never been happy with the term "alien", the term extraterriestrial suits me fine. Now it is up to you how you want to define the extra bit.

If I look at the word 'alien' as foreign... from elsewhere.... ..interdimensional would also qualify... if I think of the term.. 'terrestrial'... I think of something solid.. land.. terrain....

If they are of a higher vibration.. not solid in our understanding...would they require a solid home?..

Maybe they could survive in what would appear to us as a Gaseous world.. ... I mean not solid...

I keep of thinking of that article I read about 'Q Life'



.. an 'intelligent' ( as in demonstrably conscious )life form that is not solid... grows.. gets activated in space....

Could some of these 'alien'/ ET beings ' be made of these building blocks... making them of what we see as higher vibration... able to merge and influence humans.. via what we see as possession.. channeling...

... He was also around when many of the famous biblical characters where 'sired'...

It's interesting that you mention that. In the Arcturian book they claim they live on what we would see in the 3rd dimension as a star. They also claim that they do need or are composed of water. I think the concept of multi-dimensional realities opens the door to many things we would have not yet thought as possible.