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Post subject: Yellow Emperor, Tocharians, Basques,Gaunches,Sea People,Noah Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:02 pm |
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I thought it would be interesting to explore the possible links here... there are clues throughout history.. legend .. that intrigues me..
I have a random way of going about my explorations..so have patience.. and of course I would welcome any further information.. ideas...
I do believe there are definite connections...
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:17 pm |
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first of all there are many ancient legends of tall white bearded people that influenced many lands thru out history... as well as
The tall redheaded.. blond.. Mummies found throughout the world were significant...
then there are tales of ancient gods.. being tall.. blond..
There are many twists and turns to the Asian tales of the Yellow Emperor..
"Wu Hu" (Xiongnu, Jie, Qiang, Di, Xianbei) were not. But according to the Chinese ancient historical annual, the Xiongnu are such Nordic tribe with red hair and blue eyes like "Wushun". And, Jie, which was a branch of Xiongnu, also described as with high Nose Bridge, and "deep" eyes. After the collapse of their ruling to Han, the Jie people was distinguished easily because of their Caucasian feature and slaughtered (more than 200,000 victims). The historical work of the later dynasties also described the remained Xiongnu people as "Long nose" and "yellow hair". Until Tang dynasty, the "Qi Hu" which is the offspring of the royal Xiongnu people, still called "Hu tou Han se" which mean's they adopt the Chinese tongue, but still "foreign" feature.
 There are reference here too of prehistoric.. negroid races found in Asia... Quote: The skulls unearthed in the relics of Banpo Xi'an reveal the trait of Caucasian, exactly, the Nordish Caucasian. The Banpo civilian used to be the hybrid of Nordish and Mongolian (like the Finn today). We all know, the Banpo is the representative civilization of the Northern China Neolithic civilizations, we can infer, many other Chinese civilizations in that time were created by Caucasian or mingled people. The Hemudu in Zhejiang is the representative Neolithic civilization in Southern China. But after measuring the skulls detected there, it was extremely amazed that, they're of Negro characteristics!
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:35 pm |
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Much of my information will revisit some of my earlier explorations. at other discussion sites...as a base..
akla Makan Mummies, Red-haired mummies in China
and Basques. .TOCHARIANS. Guanches
and interesting book on this topic...
[url=http://books.google.com.au/books?id=fSbRZunGbF4C&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=unexplained+mysteries+tocharians&source=web&ots=2F0Z1VFRga&sig=0Xt8YytXM-CfJe1EYyvSpY8rrWs&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result]Hidden History
By Brian Haughton[/url]
From Easter Island
Quote: Most groups in this area speak the Na Dene language, including the Nuu-tka. The Na Dene Language is a very ancient language and can be found throughout North America, spoken by people such as the Athapaskans and Algonquins. In North Africa, Berbers and Tuaregs speak it too. The Gaelic language of the Celts and Basques is also derived from it. The Na Dene language is associated with the Native Americans who carry the Caucasian cluster of genes called Haplotype X.
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:56 pm |
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[url=http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=92291]
Quote: Huang-ti, says Stonehill, possessed the "essence of thunder," being thereby able to move through space at enormous velocities. He notes the aborigines of Australia also have myths of travel at great speeds, emitting "thunder." (1). Stonehill then goes on to note: "The Shang Dynasty B.C.) is the first documented era of ancient China. . . Some. . . suggested that travelers from Mesopotamia and from Southeast Asia brought agricultural methods to China. . . If so, there may be a direct connection with Sumer [emphasis added].. What is especially interesting about this data about China is that it reveals the possible interlinking between advanced societies in ancient times. It's as if they'd come from a common source. Could it have been extra-terrestrial? Tim might have thought so. [/url]
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:10 pm |
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Quote: There is evidence that as recently as the thirteenth century the memory of the former achievements from a forgotten age was still extant. Roger Bacon (1214-1292), a Franciscan monk and scientist wrote what had been thought to be only amazing predictions of modern technological achievements seven centuries ahead of his time, but a careful reading reveals that he was actually writing of what had formerly been accomplished by man: "Machines for navigating are possible without rowers, so that great ships suited to river or ocean, guided by one man, may be borne with greater speed than if they were full of men. Likewise cars may be made so that without a draught animal they may be moved cum impetu inaestimabili ["at inestimable speed"], as we deem the scythed chariots to have been from which antiquity fought. And flying machines are possible, so that a man may sit in the middle turning some device.Today scientists finally are forced to admit in the light of the overwhelming evidence that the Moche and Chimu cultures of Peru predated the Incan culture by hundreds, and possibly thousands of years. The Valdivian civilization in Ecuador dates back to 3000, B.C., whilethe remnants of a pre-Incan culture in Peru known as the Chimus has been unearthed, where it was discovered that they used quite a sophisticated technique for the gold leaf finishing on their ornaments, which was an electro-plating process to gild their metal sculptures with gold! (17)
In order to accomplish this task they needed first of all an electric current and then they would have had to heat the gold to be gilded up to temperatures in the neighborhood of 1450 degrees Fahrenheit! Not only was a knowledge of producing and harnessing electrical current necessary, but a sophisticated knowledge of physics, thermodynamics, and chemistry would have been needed as well. The Chimus also preformed successful brain surgery, as evidenced by skulls that have been found with remarkably skillful incisions cut into them. One skull that had a silver plate inserted in it showed clear evidence that the patient survived the operation and lived for many years afterward, as the bone had grown around the edges of the plate. (18)
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:24 pm |
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Mysteries of the Yellow EmperorQuote: Numerous sources relate that Huang-ti manufactured and used some "miraculous tripods." The "tripods" were not used for water, nor was there any fire to heat and prepare food in them. The purpose of such a "tripod" was quite different: it was a "likeness of the Great Infinite," Tao, the concealed engine of the Universe. A "tripod" was approximately 3-4 meters in height, but its volume relatively small: 100 liters. The legs carried most of its weight. A curious human observer would not be able to glance inside the "tripod," but sources did say that "hundreds of spirits filled its insides." Krapiva, who has studied all such sources available, is of the opinion that a functioning "tripod" emitted some noises, voices. The legends of ancient China said that the "tripods" depicted "dragons, flying in the clouds"; it was the same "dragon" who eventually arrived and carried off Huang-ti and his colleagues. Most likely the "tripods" were used for distant communications, because their location were chosen in such a way that the star Syuan Yuan would be pointed at. It is from that star that Huang-ti arrived on Earth. We know this star as Regulus, of the Leo constellation; more about this curious star later. ....and...  evidence of ancient robots??? Quote: Just like Huang-ti, Chi Yu had four eyes (at least, considered as such), six arms, or manipulators. The strangest of all was Chi Yu's head: it was made from copper and had a metallic forehead, and some tridents in place of ears. According to the local legends, the metallic head was cut off the body (with all appropriate safeguards), and buried separately. Years later this head continued to emit heat. On occasions a reddish steam-like cloud would come from the burial site: the locals worshiped it ("Five books of Huang-ti").
Chi Yu was able to move in the rugged areas, and even fly (for short periods of time). His (or its...) taste for food was quite impressive: all sources suggest that the creature ate "stones and sand": this way it obtained energy that was necessary for the creature's movements. Were Chi Yu and "his" brothers living creatures? Krapiva thinks that were complex autonomous mechanisms, akin to robots. Actually but one of the creatures would have to be controlled by an intelligent life form, but the natives considered them all as living creatures.
 it's worth looking up those sources and other works to verify this..
 maybe that is where the idea for ancient armour came from.. once they saw the invulnerability... strength of the robots...
Man mimicked it...
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:30 pm |
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Some corroborating literature...
Quote: The Yellow Emperor Attains Immortality At the age of 100, the Yellow Emperor abandoned the throne and made friends with immortals (such as Wugangzi, Rongchengzi, Guangchengzi, Zifuxianshen and Zhonghuang Zhangren). He extracted brass from Mt Shou and cast a cauldron at Mt Jin. When the cauldron was accomplished, he was already one hundred. Riding a dragon which had come down to receive him, he ascended to Heaven and became one of the Five Emperors of Heaven. Tao Hongjing of the Southern Dynasties ranked the Yellow Emperor to the left of the third divine rank with the title "Yellow Emperor, Perfect Man of Original Culture"18.
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:42 pm |
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I wonder if there is a link to the Urals.. and the Turkish underground cities???
Extinct Ancient Societies Gaunches of the Canary Islands
Quote: The Guanches dominated the large central islands of Tenerife, La Palma, and Gran Canaria. They lived in cave dwellings, which they enlarged into spacious, multilevel residences with wooden floors and partitioned rooms. Many of them are still in use today, the oldest continuously occupied dwellings in the world. The Guanches owned large estates on which they grew wheat and barley and raised sheep and goats with the aid of the African descendants. The Guanches' rulers were known as "overlords." They owned all the land and granted or leased it, almost exclusively, to citizens of Guanches stock. A primitive agricultural people who used stone tools, the Guanches were well suited to their environment. To communicate over the rocky, mountainous regions of their isles, they developed a whistling language that could be heard, according to European accounts, at a distance of 4 mi.
linguistic connections???
[url=http://www.archive.org/stream/linguisticorient04cust/linguisticorient04cust_djvu.txt]URAL-ALTAIC FAMILY OF LANGUAGES.
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The Tocharians had their own unique languages.. one for commerce.. and another
[url=http://books.google.com.au/books?id=FZA-yQ53ensC&pg=PA201&lpg=PA201&dq=gaunches+languages&source=web&ots=8O3viS8wDS&sig=rap-OHpeAU0CWeGwyIWM-4yKB-I&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result]Atlantis
By Shirley Andrews[/url]
There it says that the Gaunches of Canary Islands language is unique except for some similarituities to Euskara and Basque tongues.
The Tauregs, "people of the all-powerful fire god"..(  dragon? ) in the old Algonquin language,were tall warrior Berbers who continued to occupy the central Sahara, isolated from other civilizations for thousands of years.
( There are also writings about how they too had underground cities... habitats.. that connected all over..)
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Post subject: Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:20 am |
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some of my extensive previous research on this topic.. I hope it is OK.. too much to cut an paste.. and were garnered from various sources.. [url=http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=121208&st=90]Circumnavigate Africa
Voyages of discovery for trading purposes by the Phoenicians and Carthaginians in search of precious metals or new, more profitable markets were widely reported in contemporary sources. One of the most memorable was described by Herodotus. Thus towards the end of the 7th century B.C., the Phoenicians were instructed by Pharaoh Necho to circumnavigate the African continent from East to West on a voyage lasting three years.[/url]
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:29 am |
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 Another tale of a tall white blue eyed bearded man that transformed a land...
Here is one variant of the myth of Viracocha. Long ago in a forgotten time the world experienced a terrible storm with tremendous floods. The lands were plunged into a period of absolute darkness and frigid cold, and humankind was nearly eradicated. Some time after the deluge, the creator god Viracocha arose from the depths of Lake Titicaca. Journeying first to the island of Titicaca (now called Isla del Sol or the Island of the Sun), Viracocha commanded the sun, moon, and stars to rise. Next going to Tiahuanaco (whose original name, taypicala, meant ‘the rock in the center’), Viracocha fashioned new men and women out of stones and, sending them to the four quarters, began the repopulation of the world. With various helpers, Viracocha then traveled from Tiahuanaco (also written as Tiwanaku), bringing civilization and peace wherever he went. Known by other names including Kon Tiki and Tunupa, he was said to have been a bearded, blue-eyed, white man of large stature. A teacher and a healer, a miracle worker and an astronomer, Viracocha is also credited with introducing agriculture, writing, and metallurgy.
Just like the Yellow Emperor!!!!
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Post subject: Re: Yellow Emperor, Tocharians, Basques,Gaunches,Sea People,Noah Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:54 am |
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Some more explorations on the mystery behind this personhood... http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_6.htmQuote: Puma Punku, truly startles the imagination. It seems to be the remains of a great wharf (for Lake Titicaca long ago lapped upon the shores of Tiahuanaco) and a massive, four-part, now collapsed building. One of the construction blocks from which the pier was fashioned weighs an estimated 440 tons (equal to nearly 600 full-size cars) and several other blocks laying about are between 100 and 150 tons. The quarry for these giant blocks was on the western shore of Titicaca, some ten miles away. There is no known technology in all the ancient world that could have transported stones of such massive weight and size. The Andean people of 500 AD, with their simple reed boats, could certainly not have moved them. Even today, with all the modern advances in engineering and mathematics, we could not fashion such a structure.
How were these monstrous stones moved and what was their purpose? Posnansky suggested an answer, based upon his studies of the astronomical alignments of Tiahuanaco, but that answer is considered so controversial, even impossible, that it has been ignored and censured by the scientific community for fifty years. http://ratevin.com/story.php?title=Puma ... _PumapunkuQuote: This is another 'temple area' with many finely cut stones some weighing over 100 tonnes.  more Baalbek technology???
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Post subject: Re: Yellow Emperor, Tocharians, Basques,Gaunches,Sea People,Noah Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:25 am |
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THE TOCHARIANS Quote: Chinese Turkestan, today known as the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in the People's Republic of China, was the goal of numerous archaeological expeditions in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. The area consists primarily of a vast arid expanse known as the Tarim Basin, bounded by mountains on three sides which separate it from the adjacent areas of Tibet, India, Afghanistan, and what is today Soviet Central Asia. The Taklamakan desert covers most of the basin, and settlements have sprung up around the oases that are scattered throughout the area. Over the centuries, a number of sophisticated urban civilizations have sprung up in the area. http://www.oxuscom.com/eyawtkat.htm
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Post subject: Re: Yellow Emperor, Tocharians, Basques,Gaunches,Sea People,Noah Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:29 pm |
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mabung wrote: THE TOCHARIANS Quote: Chinese Turkestan, today known as the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in the People's Republic of China, was the goal of numerous archaeological expeditions in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. The area consists primarily of a vast arid expanse known as the Tarim Basin, bounded by mountains on three sides which separate it from the adjacent areas of Tibet, India, Afghanistan, and what is today Soviet Central Asia. The Taklamakan desert covers most of the basin, and settlements have sprung up around the oases that are scattered throughout the area. Over the centuries, a number of sophisticated urban civilizations have sprung up in the area. http://www.oxuscom.com/eyawtkat.htmDo you think the tall redheaded Mummies found in China, Peru and New Zealand were Tocharians?note: they also wore tartans... Lejasciems Tartan, similar to ancient TochariansSome in depth studies on the language connections
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Post subject: Re: Yellow Emperor, Tocharians, Basques,Gaunches,Sea People,Noah Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:48 pm |
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 I wonder if the famed Yellow Emperor was a Tocharian? Quote: the Uygurs were descended from the Tiele peoples, and the term "Tiele" was a generic term that referred to the various peoples dwelling along the northern belt of ancient East Turkestan, now known today in the PRC as "Xinjiang", roughly encompassing the area between Lake Balkhash and the Altai Mountains on Mongolia's western border. Now we know from archaeology that ancient nomadic groups such as the Scythians (a Caucasoid nomadic group from the Ukrainian steppes and who happened to be the first known peoples to have adopted the horse-riding nomadic culture consisting of hunting, cattle-herding, and horse-archery like the later steppe nomads) who had penetrated as far as the Altai Mountains had lived in this area. Sources also indicate that the Sarmatians (related to the Scythians and also Caucasoid though they lived to the east of the original Ukrainian Scythians), as well as ancient peoples like the Wusun or the Kangju, who were described as having green eyes and red hair, also inhabitted this vast scope of land. The Caucasoid Yuezhi (Tocharians) also previously inhabitted Dzungaria. So by the time the name Tiele was first mentioned in Chinese sources during the North-South Dynasties, the Tiele peoples were already a mixed peoples, though one source suggests they were probably a mix largely between the Caucasoid Yuezhi Tocharian peoplesand the Mongoloid Turkic Xiongnu peoples ... and the New Zealand connection...to possibly the Tocharians..? Maori tradition states that the true original inhabitants of NZ were blond and red haired, white skinned and blue eyed.New Zealand, Easter Island, the Canary Islands all have remains which suggest evidence of whites in these areas into ancient times, and possibly before the arrival of the so-called indigenous peoples.and... Red headed Mummiesthe Solutreans/Magdalenians/Atlanteans/Red heads were around from 18,000 years ago to 6,000 years ago,Quote: The Rongo Rongo texts describe the demise of the Caucasians in South America. In New Zealand stories of the Maori preying apon the relic population of defenceless tall white people have also filtered down, once again showing the nature of these peacable ancient people who knew naught of trickery or war. Aotearoa (land of the long white cloud) was the name of the canoe of Kupe - the discoverer of New Zealand. Why would he call his canoe land of the long white cloud before he had discovered land? Usually canoes mentioned in historical tales hint at who the people of that canoe were. He came before the Maori/Egyptian Maui/Rata legends of the discovery of New Zealand in 232 BC. Interestingly Aotearoa literally means world/day/dawn/cloud-white-tall. Could this be a reference to these ancient tall people/giants also mentioned in Native American and Greek legends? If so, then the Maori know of a much deeper history to their homeland, but have refrained from divulging it, due to the possibility of gross misunderstandings by people with political intentions not in the interests of native New Zealanders. As we see with Martin Doutre's book Ancient Celtic New Zealand, such misunderstandings are destructive towards intelligent dailogue on the subject of our hidden histories. Every country has a past history that is different to the culture that is present there today. We must all accept that and move on. For the ignorant it may be easier to erase the past so that it does not confuse.
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