The Book Of THoTH

Now this video is...very interesting. In fact you can go on and see the rest of the sequence of this enthralling interview with Michael Roll [Posted: February 15, 2009] about scientific ("cold, hard scientific evidence") of our conscious survival after physical "death". I feel that I might be posting more on this subject in the near future. View the full interview with Michael Roll here:

The interview

Interesting ..
unfortunately even if repeated empirical evidence is provided under the auspices of an accredited clinical environment many of the cynical skeptics will systematically reject it citing flaws in the experiment or by attacking the credibility of the researchers as it conflict with their preconceived paradigm, world views and belief systems ...Gary Schwartz PhD at UOA has already conducted PSI experiments and repeated them successfully that have yielded undeniable results that are either ignored or scoffed so I doubt that some will ever be convinced but i personally would like to see more on the subject here LC.....

Mr Soulfly

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Thanks Mr. Soulfly, for that very positive response. I must admit that, as I began to read your first words: "unfortunately even if repeated empirical evidence is provided under the auspices of an accredited clinical environment ..." I thought to myself "here we go again: another so-called skeptic", but I was much relieved to read on and find that your thoughts were identical to mine. I have come to the conclusion that the only thing one can do is to go one's own way and let the debunkers keep popping up with their unscientific protests and refusal to accept "stone-cold scientific proof". One day they will have to accept it on a personal basis and then they will be relieved to find out that the continuation of conciousness and intelligence ( after this brief episode we call "Life") is something great and wonderful, something to look forward to. Life after this life is not "Pie in the sky when you die" but a very real world in which we all will have the chance to advance spiritually (and by "spiritually" I do not refer to religious beliefs) as well as in our knowledge of the real world. I could write at much greater length here but I must save that for another occasion and place.

I might add that a few years ago, after I became convinced of Life after "death" I wanted to tell everybody about it as well as about my own personal experiences of fringe reality but now I keep quiet about these things as I find I am merely scoffed at.

A point I DO like to make on occasions is that if I am right (along with many like-thinkers) about the reality of another dimension of existence, I will be able to say "I told you so" (though I would not stoop to such a silly attitude) and if the the "skeptics" are right they will never have the satisfaction of knowing it

A very interesting interview there Lonecat...thankyou..

I too am a believer in another existence after we shed our mortal coils..

Although I have not seen any physical manifestations since Poppa passed on..there have been several 'signs'..At the first one, I thought..'Can this be ? ', but on hearing an seeing several..well..I'll just say.it was wonder-ful..

Great, Momma! I'm glad to hear that. Now here is another link to some correspondence from the Michael Roll website. Read more of the correspondence column letters, too, especially on Britain's being a theocracy and not a democracy. Good on Mr. Roll!

http://www.cfpf.org.uk/letters/2005/200 ... mr2sc.html

I found Mr Roll convincing especially in the respect that he conceded that part of his motivation was releated to contacting his own late father that he held in such high esteem...
there is a repeated reference in the video that suggests recreating the experiments mid 19th century chemist Sir Wm Crooke in modernized and controlled clinical environment that I would love to see as i have held a long standing fascination with the spiritualist movement that transcends the cheesecloth ecto photos of that era .....b

This article made me slap my thigh hard. I have had this idea, even though not actually based on experiment, for years. However, I have always referred to it as the "Third Option" rather than the "Third Way". My third option. too, discounts god and atheism and considers life after death and all the rest of the so-called "paranormal" just another facet of what we think of as reality. The thigh-slapping incident occurred as a response to the marked similarity between what I have come to believe and the results of scientific research. I feel certain that very soon true science will realise that there is nothing to fear in accepting this universal truth, which has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the "real reality" of the Cosmos.


Survival Physics

Lonecat, the only thing I think some scientists fear is lack of a job if they perceive that they are wrong or have been for some time. I suppose I can understand that, but if any of them were to at least start looking in different places then I believe all would be forgiven. Thanks very much for this article! It seems like maybe our species is taking small creeping steps toward the true nature of our nature. Yippee!

This is a very interesting concept and has changed my outlook on death. The only problem that people would have with this is the religeous aspect of it where poeple would say then what is heaven or hell or whatever it is they call it.

The response to said questions are it is what you make it in the next life. If you wanna make it happy and joyful then it is heaven but if you dread every minute then it is hell but who am i to get in on this or critize if i actualy am haha anyway thx for the input really great job!

I’m a believer too; however, in my experience, I have never found a person in the afterlife to have physical substance. Some have looked quite solid, but always have been more like a holograph when I approach them.

I agree with you about the separation of the mind and the brain. The mind doesn’t need a physical body to exist.

I think this is a really good place to place this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew

It's probably already been posted and discussed here on BoT - I'm always a bit behind on things like this - but I think it adds nicely to the discussion here.

Lonecat's post followed my own lines of thinking: I think discussion of personal spiritual experiences can be wonderfully helpful to a lot of people; I'm just really careful regarding the setting in which I choose to share my own. When I find someone who is receptive, either because they're seeking or because they have their own experiences to share, the discussions can be truly affirming.

Thanks for the link, Pluralone. When I saw that the video was 90 minutes long, I almost didn't watch it, but it was interesting and very easy to watch.

I'm already a believer in psi, but I didn't know how they were testing it in the universities. The process is laborious, and it is indeed proving that psi exists. Thanks again for the link.

Oops. I should have mentioned the length of the vid - sorry! I almost skipped watching it, too, but I honored my intuition and went ahead and watched it... really glad I did.

I'll note here, too, that I had some large questions arise regarding one of the experiments described by the presenter; the questions distracted me a bit from the rest of the presentation but then during the Q&A session my questions were addressed -- indirectly, but in such a way that things were put into a more clear perspective for me. I won't go into detail about the questions I had, but suffice to say: Scientific, empirical studies are picked apart by both those who hope they will prove a point and those who hope the studies will fail to do so - and the picking begins before the studies are ever even started. I am certain my own questions were too obvious to have not been addressed during this process.

I found it sad that there were so few in the audience, and that some of those who asked questions seemed so very antagonistic toward the presenter. But then again, it just underlined for me how thoroughly these studies must have been picked apart before they were conducted or presented.

Loved it !

Just like you say in your sigline, all truths pass through stages. Great quote that. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear more of your thoughts on that. Don't know if you've seen the articles I wrote on the front page, but I touch on a lot of the things you mention here. The idea that the paranormal/anomalous/ozone exists as something not scientific or theological is a very interesting one. Science has to start listening to other sources, and in all honesty I think the times they are a changing. We're going through a bit of a metamorphosis in science, some of their wilder ideas need the same amount of faith like religion. That's one of the signs for me, signs that things need to be looked at in a different light

Wow. Excellent article, THoTH -- I often miss the home page articles because logging in just takes me to my account and I usually just proceed to the forum from there. I'm glad you mentioned it here.
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Why thanks !

I figured that may be the case with a few people, head straight in to the forums etc. No worries at all, I've written another since then about dreams, maybe you'd like to check that out ?

Heading right there, as soon as I'm done posting this!

*meep meep* *zzzzzzoom*

That is a long video but I plan but I plan on watching it in entirety in addition to reading Thoth's articles....b