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 Post subject: John C. Lilly: Beliefs Unlimited
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:39 pm 
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John C. Lilly: Beliefs Unlimited

Excerpt from 'Center of the Cyclone' p127 and on.

The next exercise was the "Beliefs Unlimited" exercise in which one attempted to move beyond one's current belief structures. We listented to a tape programmed in a repetitive fashion (5 presentations each time) to maximize absorption. The directions for listening to the tape were to lie in a comfortable position on the floor with the lights very dim and to just allow the metaprogramming to enter one's biocomputer.

Beliefs Unlimited.
In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true either is true or becomes true within certain limits, to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are beliefs to be transcended.
Hidden from one's self is a covert set of beliefs that control on's thinking, one's actions, and one's feelings.
The covert set of hidden beliefs is the limiting set of beliefs to be transcended.
To transcend one's limiting set, one establishes an open-ended set of beliefs about the unknown.
The unknown exists in one's goals for changing one's self, int he means for changing, in th euse of others for the change, in one's capacity to change, in one's orientation toward change, in one's elimination of hindrances to change, in one's assimilation of the aids to change, in one's use of the impulse to change, in one's need for changing, in the possibilities of change, in the form of change itself, and in the substance of change and of changing.
The unknown exists in one's goals for changing one's self, in the means for that change, in the use of others in the changing, in one's capacity for changing one's self, in one's orientation toward changes, in the elimination of hindrances to changing, in one's assimilation of the aids to changing, in one's impulses toward changing one's self and undergoing changes, in one's needs for changse, in the possibilities for change, in the form of the changes tehmselves, an din the substance of the changes and of changing itself.
There are unknowns in my goals toward changing. There are unknowns in my means of changing. There are unknowns in my relations with others in changing. There are unknowns in my capacity for changing. There are unknowns in my orientation toward changing. There are unknowns in my assimilation of changes. There are unknowns in my needs for changing. There are unknowns in the possibilities of me changing. There are unknowns in the forms into which changing will put me. There are unknowns in the substance of the changes that I will undergo, in my substance after changes.
My disbelief in all these unknowns is a limiting belief, preventing my transcending my limits. My disbelief in these unknowns is a belief, a limiting belief, preventing my transcending my limits.
By allowing there are no limits; no limits to thinking, no limits to feeling, no limits to movement. By allowing, there are no limits. There are no limits to thinking, no limits to feeling, no limits to movement.
That which is not allowed is forbidden. That which is allowed, exists. In allowing no limits, there are no limits. That which is forbidden is not allowed. That which is not allowed is forbidden. That which exists is allowed. That which is allowed, exists. In allowing no limits, there are no limits. That which is not allowed is forbidden. That which is forbidden is not allowed. That which is allowed, exists. That which exists is allowed. To allow no limits, there are no limits. No limits allowed. No limits exist.
In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true either is true or becomes true. In the province of the mind, there are no limits. In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true is true or becomes true. There are no limits.

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If anybody knows where to get the actual recording, please let me know!



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It's at times amazing to me how many different ways the same essential thing can be packaged.

Reading that reminded me of the old analogy of the little kid twisting the plastic wheel mounted on the car seat, but this time saying "no, no, this is something new. This is a Toyota, not a ford or chevy".

Imo, to actually break the bounds one has to come to grips with "I ain't driving".



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WhiteTiger wrote:
It's at times amazing to me how many different ways the same essential thing can be packaged.

And what's the "thing" in this case then?

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Reading that reminded me of the old analogy of the little kid twisting the plastic wheel mounted on the car seat, but this time saying "no, no, this is something new. This is a Toyota, not a ford or chevy".

Old analogy, eh? I don't know about that, but I do know that it's confusing... :?

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Imo, to actually break the bounds one has to come to grips with "I ain't driving".

But how does that work?
Person who believes he doesn't have free will = Unbounded
Person who believes he has freewill = Bounded
Hmm...



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Well, imo the "thing" is control. It seems to me that the only reason to need or seek control is to enforce boundaries. Choose/believe anything and you draw a line of exclusion.

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Believe either way and you draw that exclusion line, determine a boundary, as I see it. Discard both belief and disbelief and simply be, and things look a lot different

Just a different perspective on things :)



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Well, imo the "thing" is control. It seems to me that the only reason to need or seek control is to enforce boundaries. Choose/believe anything and you draw a line of exclusion.

:-? You think that the purpose of this article is to enforce boundaries? Wow.. Just wow... And you also think that it's possible to live without boundaries and choice? Wow again!

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Believe either way and you draw that exclusion line, determine a boundary, as I see it. Discard both belief and disbelief and simply be, and things look a lot different

Now this I actually understand and agree with.

“Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence.â€



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Not so much to enforce boundaries, but to give the illusion of unbound by swapping the familiar limits for a new set. Sort of a case of "I can't see any of the limits I've learned how to spot, so I must be free of limits", while overlooking the replacements because they are unfamiliar.



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