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mensa517
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Post subject: YOU ARE AN ANTI SEMITE IF ... Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:11 am |
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Quote: Rev. Ted Pike extrapolates from the 2004 US "Global Anti-Semitism Review Act" to define the kind of political activity that is being criminalized. ("The Real Motive Behind 'Dept Of Global Anti-Semitism'")
1. Any assertion "that the Jewish community controls government, the media, international business and the financial world" is anti-Semitic. 2. "Strong anti-Israel sentiment" is anti-Semitic. 3. "Virulent criticism" of Israel's leaders, past or present, is anti-Semitic. 4. Criticism of the Jewish religion or its religious leaders or literature (especially the Talmud and Kabbalah) is anti-Semitic. 5. Criticism of the U.S. government and Congress for being under undue influence by the Jewish-Zionist community (including AIPAC) is anti-Semitic. 6. Criticism of the Jewish-Zionist community for promoting globalism (the "New World Order") is anti-Semitic. 7. Blaming Jewish leaders and their followers for inciting the Roman crucifixion of Christ is anti-Semitic. 8. Diminishing the "six million" figure of holocaust victims is anti-Semitic. 9. Calling Israel a "racist" state is anti-Semitic. 10. Asserting that a "Zionist Conspiracy" exists is anti-Semitic. 11. Claiming that Jews and their leaders created the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia is anti-Semitic. 12. Making "derogatory statements about Jewish persons" is anti-Semitic. 13. Denying the right of mostly atheist Jews to re-occupy Palestine is anti-Semitic. 14. Alleging that Mossad was behind the 9/11 attack is anti-Semitic.
Essentially if you believe in truth and justice, you're an anti-Semite. If you believe in free speech, free inquiry and the democratic process, you're an anti-Semite. If you oppose tyranny, corruption and murder, you're an anti-Semite.
If you're not an anti-Semite, you're uniformed at best, and a sell-out ("vendu") at worst.
Ultimately, the New World Order will turn 90% of the world's population and at least 50% of Jews into anti-Semites. Is this the real agenda? To divert blame away from the central banksters and their non-Jewish Masonic minions?
NOTE: orginally the words anti-Semite referenced bias/predjice against peoples from the mid-east who are of a brown color/race...uuuuummmmmm funny how definitions can change...You may read the entire article HERE
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Silversurfer
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:31 am |
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Quote: 13. Denying the right of mostly atheist Jews to re-occupy Palestine is anti-Semitic. (bolding is mine)
Ummmmm, if a person is an atheist, how can they be Jewish? Saying that a person is a Jew or Jewish is defined as being of the Jewish faith, correct?
Just a bit of nit-picking, I know, but this just hit me as odd. 
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WhiteTiger
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:33 am |
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dictionary.com wrote: Sem⋅ite –noun 1. a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs. 2. a Jew. 3. a member of any of the peoples descended from Shem, the eldest son of Noah.
Pretty cool how all the other members of the semitic group get to be excluded from the "anti semite" problem.
"He who dictates the terminology controls the debate"
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DADDIO
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:07 am |
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Can somebody tell me why the hell we need these definitions.I know which behavior means what.Act like an ass and I know what the score is.
Dumb me down,I need a disclaimer and a demerol.
Daddio. 
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IlluminatusRex
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:01 am |
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Silversurfer wrote: Ummmmm, if a person is an atheist, how can they be Jewish? Saying that a person is a Jew or Jewish is defined as being of the Jewish faith, correct?
Today, you are automatically considered a Jew if your mother is Jewish. So if an atheist woman has a Jewish mother then she's a Jew. As will be all her children and any grandchildren by any daughters she may have regardless of their religious beliefs.
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mensa517
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:43 am |
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Momma wrote: This is one mans definition mensa OK ?..
anti-Semitism Show phonetics noun [U] the strong dislike or cruel and unfair treatment of Jewish people:.. This still stands as far as I know..
Hi momma: I do comprehend, but if you were to go expand the search; that is, in older dictionaries, you will find the "designationâ€
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crux
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:50 am |
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I was going to post here but I'm worried I might be construed as anti semetic...
sheesh.......
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crux
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:56 am |
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This was sent to me as an email recently, I don't believe I'm racist at least I would be disgusted in myself if I was,
but this does make me think...
Proud to be White
Michael Richards makes his point......
Michael Richards better known as Kramer from TVs Seinfeld does make a good point.
This was his defense speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy act. He makes some very interesting points...
Someone finally said it. H ow many are actually paying attention to this? There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc.
And then there are just Americans. You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman'... and that's OK.
But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towel head, Sand-nigger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink .. You call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you.... so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
You have the NAACP. You have BET... If we had WET (White Entertainment Television), we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives, we'd be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce. Wonder who pays for that??
A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant, but any color can be in the Miss America pageant.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships... You know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US. Yet if there were 'White colleges', that would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am proud.... But you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists??
There is nothing improper about this e-mail. Let's see which of you are proud enough to send it on. I sadly don't think many will. That's why we have LOST most of OUR RIGHTS in this country. We won't stand up for ourselves!
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Momma
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:04 am |
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To get back on track somewhat re the thread title..
Thanks mensa..I think your thoughts may have been better added to your original post..but that's just me...
I agree with Daddio..what's in a name eh ?..poo by any other name..would still smell as poo... 
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minifang
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:02 am |
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im not anti-semite or a racist. i hate everyone equally.
just a smarta$$ comment.
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Numnutz
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:12 pm |
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Just throwing a log on the fire...
This "debate" has been picking up heat for the last couple of years that I've noticed, it's one volatile barrel of monkey's alright.
Q: Are the Ashkenazi/Khazars a Semetic people.
Ashkenazi - Khazar's
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More of the same
The comments on these videos are not for the easily offended.
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Kira
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:07 am |
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Quote: Last year I built six log cabin dorms for a boys summer camp and my long time friend Tran was taking care of the traditional chinking of the gaps,reason being his size agility and proficiency.Should have seen the looks we got when I referred to him as our chinker.He is Vietnamese. Oh my god that was funny! Damned if you do, damned if you don't.... Quote: 1. Any assertion "that the Jewish community controls government, the media, international business and the financial world" is anti-Semitic.
2. "Strong anti-Israel sentiment" is anti-Semitic.
3. "Virulent criticism" of Israel's leaders, past or present, is anti-Semitic.
4. Criticism of the Jewish religion or its religious leaders or literature (especially the Talmud and Kabbalah) is anti-Semitic.
5. Criticism of the U.S. government and Congress for being under undue influence by the Jewish-Zionist community (including AIPAC) is anti-Semitic.
6. Criticism of the Jewish-Zionist community for promoting globalism (the "New World Order") is anti-Semitic.
7. Blaming Jewish leaders and their followers for inciting the Roman crucifixion of Christ is anti-Semitic.
8. Diminishing the "six million" figure of holocaust victims is anti-Semitic.
9. Calling Israel a "racist" state is anti-Semitic.
10. Asserting that a "Zionist Conspiracy" exists is anti-Semitic.
11. Claiming that Jews and their leaders created the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia is anti-Semitic.
12. Making "derogatory statements about Jewish persons" is anti-Semitic.
13. Denying the right of mostly atheist Jews to re-occupy Palestine is anti-Semitic.
14. Alleging that Mossad was behind the 9/11 attack is anti-Semitic.
Looks like they've got it all pretty much covered. Don't agree then your anti-semite. Not surprised. Squeaky wheel always gets the oil...
I'm not racist, I do have opinions. I take anyone by the deeds they do, not the color or religion. If that makes me anti-semitic... so be it.
Until people stop thinking they're better or more special than everyone else, nothing will change. 
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mensa517
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:47 am |
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DADDIO wrote: Arab's and Jew's share the same lineage?I'll remind you all that we all share that lineage.....Still learning,Daddio.
Heavy sigh! Yes, yes I am cognizant of such: My intent was to keep the dialogue in a contained frame so as not to veer off topic….
As for the Ashkenazi/Khazar's they are from Eastern Europe and are the people who today, claim themselves to be Jews....
BUT I was interested in dialogue concerning this so-called hate bill which is progressing through congress which will make a a crime to question anything (fill in the blank).... People are in jail because they denied the holocaust took place, which is considered anti-semitic....Any questioning, innuendo etc concerning jews is considered anti-semitic and therefore a crime----My, my, my how privileged they are.
OK: I heard that  I'll shut my mouth now.....
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Firey28
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:28 am |
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When I heard this on the radio a few weeks back I was a wee bit mystified on how this got soo blown out of proportion..
http://tinyurl.com/lonuyj
Crux, I think your email hits it on the head.. No one is allowed to be proud of being white.
I think this hate bill will just push everything underground, like any bill or law does with anything people want to do.
Drugs as an example, no bill or law is going to make people stop taking drugs, but maybe open dialogue, and access to health care and support groups might.
IMO, talking about hate crimes, racism and bigotry will do more to erase the power it has over people, hiding it and prosecuting people over it won't. It will just add fuel to the growing fire.
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Momma
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:29 am |
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You can maybe help with my confusion over this mensa..
In your original post, you posted one mans ( the REV.Ted Pike) definition of anti--semitism that he extrapolated from a Global Review Act in 2004 that monitored anti-semitism..
Which bill is it that is progressing through congress that will make his definition a crime ?..sorry to be so dumb..old age an' all that... 
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DADDIO
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:11 am |
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Sorry mensa not behaving like a researcher here.Old dog chasing car's.
I'll start here.
http://www.truthtellers.org/tedpikebiography.html
Rev Ted Pike.I'll have a good long look at all this,bubble gum for a sleepless night.
Good Morning.
Daddio 
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mensa517
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:24 pm |
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Momma wrote: You can maybe help with my confusion over this mensa.. In your original post, you posted one mans ( the REV.Ted Pike) definition of anti--semitism that he extrapolated from a Global Review Act in 2004 that monitored anti-semitism.. Which bill is it that is progressing through congress that will make his definition a crime ?..sorry to be so dumb..old age an' all that... 
" The Hate Crimes Prevention Act HR 1966 which has passed the Congress by overwhelming margins is now facing hearings in the Senate. There are already similar hate crime laws in place, however, this bill imposes much stronger federal enforcement, which is a clear violation of the Tenth Amendment. It grants greater power to federal prosecutors to prosecute hate crime laws by prosecuting those who have been found innocent by local or state courts. The current bill will extend special privileges to gays and transgender individuals that are currently only granted to ethnic and religious minorities. The most dangerous part of the Bill which is a direct assault against the First Amendment is that it allows for the prosecution as accomplices in a hate crime for talk show pundits that the person who commits the alleged crime claims to influence their actions."
Here is the essential text:
Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce [radio, TV, internet] any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. (HR 1966, SEC 3, Sec. 881a)[/
As some might be aware, this bill is merely a far-reaching conservatory of hate crimes legislation as passed in the UK, Germany, Canada and other countries. As stated before: People are in jail or threatened with jail for espousing what is called/termed anti-Semiticism i.e. holocaust denial, holocaust revision, admiration of Hitler, white power, black power, etc. The pretext is that it is inclusive of others, namely gays etc. In effect this and other legislation makes thought a crime and takes away freedom of speech. Noam Chomsky once stated: "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
Although the U.S. still has a First Amendment right to freedom of speech, they are proceeding in the same direction as that of Europe and Canada where people can have legal action taken against them for thought crimes. Groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center and Anti-Defamation League have vigorously encouraged hate crime legislation. These groups have sanctioned Europe and Canada's policies on prosecuting what they deem as hate speech. The ADL explicitly campaigned for their model anti-hate law. In 1988 the ADL awarded Joseph Ribikoff, a law student for writing a projected hate crime bill that would criminalize hate speech against gays and minorities.
This Bill is the focal point of stripping away Constitutional rights: freedom of speech as guaranteed in the 1st amendment. A short time ago the Plains State ADL Director deprecated the 1st Amendment by saying that "freedom of speech does not extend to racist groups, nor give their supporters the right to threaten and intimidate others or commit acts of violence…..
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Momma
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:18 pm |
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Ah..I understand now (I think  )
The thread title was an example of how the Rev Ted Pike..and yourself ? see how this Hate Crimes Prevention Act which is now facing hearings in he Senate could specifically affect anti-semitism..
Many thanks mensa for taking the time to post that for me..and to clear this old brain of mine a little..much appreciated.. 
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:19 pm |
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Quote: power to federal prosecutors to prosecute hate crime laws by prosecuting those who have been found innocent by local or state courts
Hmmm...Mensa, can you clarify the above. Does not such constitute double jeopardy.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:42 pm |
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Firey28 wrote: No one is allowed to be proud of being white.
When I look at things to be proud of, they aren't because of someone being white. They're because of other qualities within the person, independent of the gene that gave them their skin color.
Things to be proud of happen in spite of, not because of, one's skin color.
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mensa517
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:46 am |
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BubbaEarlIII wrote: Hmmm...Mensa, can you clarify the above. Does not such constitute double jeopardy.
To abridge this, think in these terms: Once it becomes a "federal law" (by essence of Congress...which in and of itself is illegal) it will fall under the civil rights act….The Feds have been known to pick up cases when local /state courts have refused to hear or [b]“properlyâ€
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Numnutz
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:28 am |
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mensa517 wrote: My intent was to keep the dialogue in a contained frame so as not to veer off topic….[/i]
As for the Ashkenazim/Khazar's they are from Eastern Europe and are the people who today, claim themselves to be Jews....
 Sorry 'bout that Mensa...but we tend to do that here, it comes with being part of the family.
It's great to have you back!!
My point is that the Ashkenazim/Khazar's are not a semitic people and so any "anti-semitic" slur is not aimed at them, specifically...they will have to prove to me, in a court of law, meaning bring their ancestry to full open public view, before the "charges" will go any further.
Whenever someone gets all "Jewish" on me I simply ask them...
what kind of Jew are you?
are you Jewish as in descendant from the tribe of Judah?
are you Jewish as in you practice Judaism?
or are you Jewish as in delusional, self important holier that thou jewannabe?
Those are the day's I really like being me...
Now please excuse me while see about this Gold Star tomfoolery 
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