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Post subject: 9-11 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:34 pm |
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This was a very sad day in our history, all over the world people watching there t.v's as a boeing 767 fly's straight into the twin towers.
Now 2 and a half years later and our curiosity is uncovering some pretty amazing things. I've been doing a lot of reading about this and there is lots of sufficant evidence that this was quite possibly a conspiracy theory.
If you have any thoughts, suggestions or anything, please i would love to hear
i have however found an interesting site.
Quote: Theories and Claims Some advocates of this theory claim that, on the day of the terrorist attacks, Israeli workers were warned not to go to work at the World Trade Center (see Zionist conspiracy theories regarding the September 11, 2001 attacks), that key government officials were warned not to fly on aircraft heading through New York and Washington airspace, and that some important government officials were warned not to go on any planes about a day or two before the attack began. No evidence has ever been offered in support of these theories, although Attorney General John Ashcroft was earlier in 2001 warned off commercial flight "for the rest of his term" by the FBI [1] ( http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/ ... 3601.shtml); Willie Brown, then mayor of San Francisco, was warned the day before against flying [2] ( http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 229389.DTL); and several "top Pentagon officials" canceled 9/11 travel plans the day before. Some critics say that the Bush administration did not follow its own protocols for dealing with hijacked planes (see links below). North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) were the ones responsible for America's air defense on 9/11. NORAD has also been the target of many conspiracy theories involving 9/11. Many of them say that NORAD was issued a stand-down order to send fighter planes to intercept the hijacked airliners from Vice President Dick Cheney himself. This has never been substantiated. An interesting twist is that from two years to two months before 9/11 NORAD was doing exercises to prevent the exact type of attacks that happened on September 11. One of the NORAD exercises involved a mock situation where hijackers took control of a passenger commercial airliner and used it as a missile to crash into the World Trade Center. George W. Bush was asked at a press conference if he knew terrorists like Al Qaeda would be thinking of using planes; his response was "We knew they hated us, but there was uh [pause] nobody in our government at least, and I don't think the prior government that could envision flying airplanes into buildings on such a massive scale." Some people, including Richard Clarke, former counter terrorism chief for the White House during the 9/11 attacks, believe that immediately after the September 11 attacks, defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld was already seeking evidence to put the blame on Saddam Hussein. Retired General Wesley Clark has alleged pressure on himself to participate in this effort, but his failure to provide evidence has drawn criticism. Richard Clarke also claims that Donald Rumsfeld, immediately following 9/11, said "There aren't any good targets in Afghanistan, but there are a lot of good targets in Iraq". Critics of Clarke say he had a personal vendetta against the White House and was only looking to garner fame for his upcoming book, which happened to be an expose' of the Bush administration's plan to shift blame away from Osama bin Laden and onto Saddam Hussein. Critics also claim that Bush has not allowed a proper investigation of the attacks (as of October 2003, the bipartisan commission continues to be barred from certain "key intelligence" documents by Bush, and is considering subpoena power [3] ( http://reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml? ... ID=3690122) [4] ( http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/ ... -3880.html).) In addition, Bob Woodward writes in his book Plan of Attack of Rumsfeld on Sept. 11: "The notes show that Rumsfeld had mused about whether to 'hit S.H. @ same time -- not only UBL'..." (page 25). Also, a January, 2003 Washington Post article ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... ge=printer) stated the following: "On Sept. 17, 2001 ... President Bush signed a 2½-page document marked "TOP SECRET" that outlined the plan for going to war in Afghanistan as part of a global campaign against terrorism. Almost as a footnote, the document also directed the Pentagon to begin planning military options for an invasion of Iraq, senior administration officials said."
if you would like to read more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Knew
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WhiteTiger
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:51 pm |
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The thing that always sticks in my memory is sitting in the front room, channel flipping as I worked, trying to keep up with things on 9-11.
My own BS detectors started going off when I noted that by the time the second plane struck, there had already been a few minutes of two talking heads interviewing a terrorism authority in their studio, and the Bin Laden name had been tossed around several times.
Still seems to me awfully coincidental that there was a terrorism authority on tap, available to the studio, and a prime suspect ready to trot out. When you consider that BL was essentially a non issue prior to that day, it smacks of preparation before the event... one of the many psy-op precepts is "get in the first word and repeat it often" or as a famous quote has it: "tell a big enough lie often enough and it will become fact".
Having seen the ridiculous "evidence" concerning the JFK assassination and the OKC bombing, I can't help but be deeply suspicious about 9-11.
Tiger
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OddThings
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:10 pm |
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I try not to get too deeply involved in the 9-11 debate, as it really seems to get people riled up faster than the politics forum.
That said, I'll share one quick memory of that morning. I was at work, in the lab, and all the marketing people were watching the TV in the main conference room. I heard on the radio that the first tower was beginning to fall, and I ran in to see if it was true. The president of our company at the time was a former demolitions expert from DuPont. The one thing that will always stick in my mind from that morning is him saying, as the first tower was falling, "Oh my God. They took down the tower. Look at how straight it's falling. There's a reason demolitions is a billion dollar a year buisiness. Building's don't just fall straight down like that. Someone took it down very carefully."
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WhiteTiger
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:19 pm |
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Cool bit there OT, about the demo mans' comment.
Bit more accelerant on that fire: the taller the structure in relation to it's height the more likely there is to be a major lateral component introduced as the collapse progresses. Given the height and narrow section of the towers, for both to fall essentially straight down into themselves is stretching happenstance to the breaking point, imo.
EDIT> geesh... that should read "in relation to it's base"...
Tiger
Last edited by WhiteTiger on Fri Jan 28, 2005 4:33 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Kira
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:40 am |
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When I got up and went in the kitchen, my mom was watching something. I see the buildings falling and I say, 'what movie is that!?'
My mom says, it's not a movie. The sinking feeling in my gut was aweful! But, then we all know how that felt.
There are alot of sites on this. Here's only one of many.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le6847.htm
Then, with Rumslfield's slip of the tongue:
[quote]“I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples’ heads on television to intimidate, to frighten – indeed the word ‘terrorized’ is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be.â€
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:43 am |
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I watched that film (I believe it was 9/11 in Plane Sight) and I was floored. Skeptics are always saying, "show me the evidence". But this time around, there is NO evidence for the official statement that a plane hit the Pentagon.
The hole was not big enough for the plane. There were no debris from a plane. The lawn in front of the building was untouched. The existence of paper on wood desks just feet from the hole shows that there was no fuel fire like with the towers.
Now with the towers, I know I heard somebody admit they gave the order to pull in the news. That's a demolition term.
And the slips of the tongue, the terror expert on hand after the first tower (thanks for reminding me of that, Tiger)... it's all so damn suspicious.
9/11 changed the face of politics in this country. The Iraqi war would not have been so easily pushed without it. Terror does wonderful things to subdue a population and grease the wheels of Congress.
The current administration gets away with more crap than I can remember any administration getting away with in my lifetime. The whole Monica Lewinsky thing is a joke compared to what's been goin' on lately.
Does anybody remember what the FCC was doing before 9/11? They were gearing up to allow broadcasting monopolies.... think about that for a minute. Look at Fox. Their news is the most kiss-ass right wing news you can find... yet Fox network runs some of the sleaziest programming found on your TV. (And I've heard a rumor they own a pornography production company, but I haven't confirmed it.)
Politically Correct used to mean not offending anybody based on race, etc. But now it seems to include not criticizing the Bush administration.
*end rant*

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Tricia
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:55 pm |
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In the 9/11 film I felt so angry when Bush was at a conference/party and he says to the Global Elite, 'Some call you the elite..I call you my base.'
Yer, you've got a hand in their pockets and they've got even more up your arse Bush!
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OddThings
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:35 am |
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I had forgotten that parts of the 9-11 report were delayed until after the election. Well, barring any of the more wide ranging possibilities of government complicity, the 9-11 commission has pretty much said that the Bush administration blew it on this one.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/021505J.shtml
Quote: The terrible fact is that the administration took none of the steps that would have put the protection of human life ahead of a diverse set of economic and political interests, which included not offending our friends the Saudis and not hurting the share prices of airline corporations.
The warnings provided by intelligence agencies to the FAA were far clearer and more specific than suggested by Condoleezza Rice's testimony before the 9/11 commission when she reluctantly conceded the existence of a presidential briefing that warned of impending Al Qaeda attacks. Rice had dismissed those warnings as "historical," but according to the newly released section of the 9/11 report, an astonishing 52 of the 105 daily intelligence briefings received by the FAA - and available to Rice - before the Sept. 11 attacks made specific reference to Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. Quote: What has emerged, instead, is a portrait of an often bumbling terrorist gang allowed to wreak havoc because the top tiers of the administration were so indifferent to the alarms, which former CIA Director George Tenet described so graphically: "The system was blinking red."
Had the business-friendly administration put safety first and ordered a full complement of air marshals into the air, over the obscene objections of airlines loath to give up paid seats, nearly 3,000 people might not have died that day. And had the president of the United States taken some time from his epic ranch vacation that August to order a nationwide airport alert, two bloody wars abroad, as well as an all-out assault on civil liberties in this country, probably would not have happened.
Instead, an administration that resisted spending the tens of millions required to fortify airline security before 9/11 is nearing the $300-billion mark on Afghanistan and Iraq. And declassified documents have unmistakably said the latter had nothing to do with 9/11. Meanwhile, those countries that at least indirectly did, most notably "allies" Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, have been let off the hook.
Indeed, the 9/11 commission was not allowed to get near that story: It is an unnoticed but startling truth that the basic narrative on the tragedy derives from the interrogations of key detainees whom the 9/11 commissioners were not allowed to interview. Nor were they permitted to even take testimony from the U.S. intelligence personnel who interrogated those prisoners.
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Kira
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:57 am |
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What ever happened on 9 11 has happened. It's been done and right under the noses of EVERYONE!
They can throw the sh*t any way they want! It's been proven by demolition experts and witnesses that explosions created the fall of the towers! Not the planes!
Rice, Rumsfield, Cheney, Bush and scores of others can rant till the mutilated cows come home! They new what was going to happen! They and others orchaustrated it! They have to live with it.
Mankind has to pay for it.
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WhiteTiger
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:20 pm |
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Does it seem to anyone but me that the "horrible death toll" of 9-11 is kinda overblown?
For a bit of perspective, the traffic death toll figures for 2003 (latest I could find) average 3186 per month... that adds up to a figure slightly in excess of a dozen 9-11's every year.
I wonder if the big deal isn't simply that they were all in one place and hard to ignore, whereas things like traffic deaths are spread out and the numbers aren't waved in our faces daily so it's easy to "push it under the rug" and get on with our lives.
To me, dead's dead, everyone does it, and the same number all at once is no different than that same number spread out over times and geography.
(I'd put a disclaimer in here, but I'm bored and some rabble rousing sounded like fun  )
Tiger
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dolphin
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:11 pm |
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Kira wrote: One day people will wake up to what's going on, I just hope it won't be too late.
Now there is something I can actually agree with! 
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WhiteTiger
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:32 pm |
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Dovetails with and bolsters OT's post:
OddThings wrote: The president of our company at the time was a former demolitions expert from DuPont. The one thing that will always stick in my mind from that morning is him saying, as the first tower was falling, "Oh my God. They took down the tower. Look at how straight it's falling. There's a reason demolitions is a billion dollar a year buisiness. Building's don't just fall straight down like that. Someone took it down very carefully."
Same construction, much longer fire, still standing at the core structure. Of course a full load of JP fuel was present for the wtc, but that doesn't account for the virtuallly vertical collapse.
If anything it should have guaranteed that one side or the other would have failed first due to heavier fuel concentration. Theoretically the impact side should have been significantly heavier laden with fuel since the structural steel skeleton of the building would have done a vegomatic on the wing tanks, and interior partions should have retained significantly more of the fuel spill in the entry-side half of the structure.
If the counterargument is used that the initial impact overpressure blew out the interior walls then the significant forward momentum of the huge fuel mass should have carried most of it to the far side and again there should have been a lateral collapse event, not a uniform vertical one.
Tiger
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Kira
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:59 pm |
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There is so much proof that is was done on purpose. Even the construction manager of the towers said it was built to with stand a 707 crashing into it.
Our politicians, media moggles and the filthy rich are into so much sh*t it boggles the mind! I found some stuff today I can't even post it, it's so bad! I sent it to OT just to look it over. The devil is a sweet angel compared to these guys, or the devil runs them all.
I don't know, it's just too much!
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Kira
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:46 pm |
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Yes, a very good link, Lucifer! I have to finish it. I was reading and clicked on one of the proof links and had to end program.
I don't know how many times this info has to be repeated? It's not made up! The only thing made up is our govt. version of it.
My only hope is that the universe will take care of these evil beings, one day.
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Methos
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:27 am |
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I remember watching the pilot episode of The Lone Gunmen (X-Files spinoff). I watched it in summer of 2001, and it ended with the government hijacking and trying to fly a passanger plane into one of the twin towers (using some kind of remote control). Anyway's here's the site
http://www.cloakanddagger.ca/media/LONE ... ltowns.htm
Im sure some people here know about this already, but thats what seemed fishy to me at the time. When those planes hit them towers i instantly thought back to that episode.
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Kira
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:15 pm |
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Jesus!! I know I watched that too! I have absolutely no memory of it.
That was back when I still watced TV and there was no bigger fan of X-Files or the lone gunmen.
Thank you Methos! I'll have to watch the clips they have to jolt my memory. 
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:28 pm |
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Some people like him, some people hate him, but Alex Jones is putting out a film on why the buildings came down so straight. You can watch a pretty long preview at this site:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ma ... ndzero.htm
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WhiteTiger
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:39 am |
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The saddest thing to me about this is that the handwriting has been on the wall for a while now.
The OKC bombing established clearly that there are elements acting behind the scenes of US govt which are willing and able to spend lives of citizens to achieve their aims and also willing and able to orchestrate successful campaigns of misdirection, obfuscation and suppression of the facts after their deeds are done.
In the OKC instance, the former head of naval BDA (bomb damage assessment, the people who look at post mission photos and determine the outcomes of bombing efforts) stated publicly and uncategorically and with graphic and mathematical evidence that building was not taken down by a single ground level ampho detonation.
The bomb hardened reinforced columns of the building were cut in the second tier in at the third floor pilaster, an impossibility for a single untamped exterior, non-contact ampho detonation at ground level.
There were many other anomalies about OKC, but that one is the most glaring.
Heh, sorry... didn't mean to sidetrack from the 9-11 topic, just got on a roll ranting
Tiger
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Post subject: business Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 11:05 pm |
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Fahrenheit 911 depicted a much different scenario about what was going through George Walker's mind during the second hit on the WTC. Since only he knows what was in his head, I will speculate he is working the events into a business plan. One that started with George Sr. back in '74 - '76 with Carter's Fuel Shortage.
http://friends-n-family-research.info/F ... peline.wmv
http://friends-n-family-research.info/F ... action.wmv
President/businessman
The President's facial expressions make a lot more sense when you consider the lives acceptable attrition in global macroeconomics.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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