The Book Of THoTH

I saw a lecture last night by Hira Ratek Manum. he says that we're like plants and eating food for nutrition is second hand energy, and if only we sun gazed we'd need no food

he stressed he had no agenda of turnning everyone into a non-eater, his goal was to literally enlighten everyone so they could derive energy from the sun like ancient sun-worshippers--hhe also said this is a way to activate the other 97% of your brain.

Andrew Neuberg, a neuropsychiatrist from UPenn (famed from the movie "What the Bleep do We Know") studied Hira under observation for 411 days with nothing except water.

Hira didn't even need to gather sun energy anymore because after 270 days of continuous sun gazing-the human battery was charged and only needed maintenance by walking barefoot on dirt (which has accumulated tons of sun energy over the millenia)

you start 10 seconds on the first day, and add ten more seconds every day for 270 days--on the 270th day you are staring at the sun for 44 minutes (your body regenerates blood cells every 44 minutes)

you cannot look at the sun if the UV rating is more than 2, the first and last our of the sun is completely safe and is the recommended time for sun-gazing

there is only one recorded case of staring at the sun causing blindness--Galileo who stared directly at a solar eclipse for several hours went blind, but regained his sight by sun-gazing within a few months.

i've read about this before and even met a brahmin who said he was over 200 years old and lived off the sun--poor senile old man i thought

but hey when you have science backing you i guess you're at least worth listening to.

i tried it this morning, and i've got to say it did do something-my mind was de-stressed, i went to look at my eyes and they were lighter, more alive
my mind truly felt light

i'm excited to continue the process and test its validity personally
i'll post updates when appropiate and let you know if i've fried my eyes or lost my need for my glasses and gained perfect vision

solarhealing.com

thoughts?

This guy advocates staring at the sun every day to "charge the human battery"? And he thinks by doing this humans can produce food for themselves the same way a plant does? Does he make money off this or something?

No he doesn't make money (free lecture) and asked for no donations whatsoever. For people that really wanted to give him money he referred them to the website in my previous post and said donate to them for further scientific research, but he also said that further scientifc research isn't really necessary other than to appease the modern mind (one he sympathizes with because he used to have one). his face appears prominently on the website, squinting "from the unbearable lightness of being"... but unlike the garden variety heretic, his eyes actually have reason to squint other than feigning communion with some god.

He also said that sun-gazing is free from worldly controls because its money free, guru-free, and it doesn't require one to drastically change their lifestyle if at all--you just stare at the sun, and all the "revelations" will happen naturally without force or doctrinal coercion

if this guy is a charlatan i've yet to figure out his angle...though i must admit that within the first ten minutes of his lecture i couldn't help but smile in derision...it seemed like the silliest thing i'd ever heard, which is what, ironically, got me through the whole lecture fortunately enough...the lecture was too short for me to be influenced by group mind or any other bad stuff like that.

also i noticed on my way out that this guy's hair was sun blonde midway through his hairlength! strange for a top bald, brown man in the later ages of life.

I was wondering about that as well. Perhaps the answer lies in a curiously worded line from your post: "...further scientifc research isn't really necessary other than to appease the modern mind (one he sympathizes with because he used to have one)."

Anyway, I'll just use this space to quickly point out the obvious. We eat food because we get our energy from breaking down the compounds in it. Plants do the same thing we do--that is, they break down certain compounds for energy. The difference is that they have physiologies that are actually set up to make those compounds, using light from the sun as an energy source, of course. Even plants don't directly get their energy from basking in sunlight, as this guy apparently does all day. They still need to break down food.

oh Penthar did you even bother to research any of this craziness
there is something to it
and Neuberg is of scientific mind and I don't think UPenn would allow him to profess there if he just made up his data--this man was under observation and did not eat!

i have no answer to your 7th grade bio lesson, yeah that's what i thought as well

but on the other end you have something else that you can't deny!!

how can one of scientific mind so easily dismiss this anomaly in understanding?

Whoa. My dermatologist is at University Of Pennsylvania and maybe they can hook up because they had to cut off half my mom's nose, and a huge, deep part of skin under my right eye thanks to sun cancer.

I'm by no means judging one way or another, but those offices are full of young people with skin cancer.

Maybe he applies sunscreen first or wears a hat? I'm serious. Man, that sun can do major damage.

Sorry to hear that about your mother, but everybody is exposed to the sun regularly. In most cases skincancer will be caused by an overabundance of direct exposure to sunlight, or by getting sunburned too much. (to my knowledge anyways)

This Hira Ratek fellow spends less time in the sun than an average person on a summer holiday. "you start 10 seconds on the first day, and add ten more seconds every day for 270 days--on the 270th day you are staring at the sun for 44 minutes (your body regenerates blood cells every 44 minutes)" Also he does this sun-gazing at the first or last hour of sun light, whereas typically a sunbather will happily lay on the beach in the middle of the day. Just my 2cents.

Well our bodies produce many of their needed nutrients by breaking down and metabolizing other compounds... and some of those processes require... that's right... UV light. Then again, isn't that true with most terrestrial organisms?

I think the big killer is that plants <i>eat</i> just like everything else. They absorb more than water through their roots. Even if we could gain nutrition from basic elements and compounds (as plants do) we'd still need to <i>consume</i> those basic elements and compounds before we could process them.

Lmao... here I come with a big bucket of mud to cloud the whole issue

This one's for you Fiat, just 'cause I'm feeling rowdy

Planting Evidence




Tiger

Nice. If that's true, then we've certainly abandoned a potentially incredible new field of technology. I do have one question.

The article states that plants may very well be able to change the properties of certain elements. That's pretty amazing. However, the article doesn't suggest that this process could be performed on water alone... although I really don't see why not. The author of that particular article doesn't make any claims that plants (or anything else for that matter) can survive on water alone.

I will admit that I do see how one could <b>potentially</b> survive on <i>mineral</i> water alone... assuming they had this "biological transmutation" ability.


*Edit:
By the way WT, nice link. I'm a little embarassed that I'm just now learning about this.

The body's full of minerals and chemical compounds. I don't see any reason a really efficient closed system wouldn't work, provided nothing but h2o is ingested and eliminated.

Oh... and another consideration: the air we breath is laden with dust, pollens, spores... all nice sources of minerals and/or biological compounds. Then of course there's always transdermal absorbtion (med patch, anyone? )

Told ya it was gonna cloud the waters




Tiger

You suck.

I can't get around this one so... guess it goes back into the "hmmm" category.

Even if I could achieve such an ability, I'm not sure whether or not the other "97%" of my brain is worth giving up meat... nonetheless <b>all</b> food.

according to Hira Ratek Manum, you won't really care about eating--it won't be like you give it up, you just don't have the appetite for it...i bring this up to emphasize the message of no self-coercion, except the literal restraints of your eye-which is why you lead up to 44 minutes, i'd imagine during this time the rest of your body would learn to accomodate to this new input, like ramping up biological transmutation.

2nd day: Stared at sun for 20 seconds...then felt like i could handle more so did another two reps of 10 seconds. Right eye, the weaker eye, is less numb, and can stretch with better ease.

Problem in back which has been treated by physical therapy, chiropractry, reiki, deep massage but to no real avail (except reiki did a bit more than others)--anyway that part of my back feels phenomenally better. Not just relieved, really phenominally better. Too early to not rule out placebo though.

Spots in eyes after gazing didn't last as long as yesterday...back to normal in less than a minute or minute and a half.

Disclaimer: I have been looking through my glasses, not from caution, but because I'm a dunce--this may skew my report.

Excited for day three

rofl... love that phraseology: "another two reps of 10 seconds"...




Tiger

3rd day: 30 seconds--since yesterday's session my brain and head have been aching--not really in a bad way--more like "sweating the sick out"

I'm currently convinced of that because i've gained increased mobility in my eye muscles

Interestingly the sun spot in my vision lasted for about three to four minutes, a marked gain which makes me question the safety in this

Since this session, the stress in my eye has mostly succumbed...I'm sure there will be new developments and feelings in the interim before tomorrow's gazing

I still can't believe that i can feel the benefit of this so immediately...I can't believe that I'm actually staring at the sun religiously

Excited for day four

Teslafire,

I have to ask...
Have you stopped <b>eating</b>?... or are you eating <b>and</b> sungazing?

"Exclusive to The Times from a Staff Writer"

"SANTA BARBARA -- Four college students have suffered permanent impairment of vision as a result of staring at the sun while under the influence of LSD, according to a spokesman for the Santa Barbara Ophthalmological Society.

One of the youths told his doctor he was "holding a religious conversation with the sun."

Another said he had gazed at the sun "to produce unusual visual displays."

The students, all males, suffered damage to the retina, the sensory membrane which receives the image formed by the lens.

In the same way that a piece of paper will burn when bright light is beamed through a magnifying glass, a pinhead-size hole was burned into the retina of each eye of the students as sunlight passed through the lens.

What this has left the students with is not total blindness but a blind spot in the center of their vision.

As a result, the victims have lost their reading vision completely and forever, the ophthalmological spokesman said.

"For example, if you wanted to read," he said, "you might see all of the corners of the page and most of the print -- except you wouldn't be able to see that one word you were looking at.

"If you were to look at a traffic stoplight, you might see the pole and trees and cars -- but you wouldn't see the stoplight itself.

"That little black hole always moves directly where you want to see," he said.

Solar burns of the retina, the spokesman said, are not uncommon, particularly among children watching eclipses of the sun. But he knew of no previous cases which resulted from someone being under the influence of LSD.

In the cases here, the victims admitted they were users of LSD.

Three of them attend UC Santa Barbara, the other goes to Santa Barbara City College. Their ages range from 18 to 24.

The spokesman said it was his impression that each of the sun-staring incidents occurred separately. He did not know whether the students knew each other.

The four had no awareness of pain or discomfort while the sun was burning through the eye tissue, the spokesman said. The damage is permanent, because tissue so damaged does not regenerate itself. "

Wow, I can think of many things to say about that article BB. I think that...

just about sums it up.


Sure, I feel bad for anyone that recieves crippling injuries... when they may very well have been extremely decent people. In that respect, my heart goes out to them.

However, I've done quite a few questionable mind-altering substances in the past... and I've never even come close to doing something that ridiculous.
Wow.

Fiat- i eat the same and all, that ability's not supposed to kick in until i'm fully charged

Bibleboy-first off, i'm certainly thankful for your concern and it really makes me stop and think--where can i get some LSD?--seriously though thanks for that article, you've made me second guess my blind enthusiasm (pun intended)-so now i'm going to research it to death before i resume gazing thanks to you--so for those who thought it might be funny that i end this "journal" with somthn lke tihs--you've bibleboy to thank for intervening

...but, the dude who lectured on this did warn about burning the retina--which is why he recommends growing in ten second intervals (which he says is conservative)--he also mentioned galileo who went blind by staring at a solar eclipse for the better part of the day (i remind you that the max amount is 44 minutes) and then later regained his vision

-Its about high time i find and post some of these claims
-I spoke with my mother about this today. She said that when she was a child, her doctor in India, prescribed exactly this therapy and that she gazed at the sun with my grandfather all the time. Though it never fixed her vision, she did say it gave her more energy during the day


I spoke to some other people in the Indian community and a lot of them have heard of it, and i had heard about it before as well

but again i'm able to accept that the reason i may be so affected by this unorthodox technique is solely because its so unorthodox... though instinctively i believe its more than that

so let the research begin

thanks again bibleboy

Galileo died a blind man. Do you really have to stare into the sun for this to work? How about pulling up a folding chair, some shades, and tanning like everybody else?

"Galileo died in 1642, totally blind"

http://www.twingroves.district96.k12.il ... lileo.html
http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu ... lileo.html

This Hira Ratek Manum should be in jail for malicious intent.

edit- oh, i just saw that was already pointed out, once again

Ummm, neither of those links establish that galileo was continually blind after the sun gazing, in fact the first one clearly says "after his eyesight had completely failed him" which strongly implies that he was possessed of at least partial eyesight for most of his imprisonment.

That he died blind only says he was blind when he croaked, it doesn't at all link the blindness to the sun gazing episode. Got anything that establishes such a link and duration?




Tiger

http://mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/vision/Galileo.html

http://inventors.about.com/library/inve ... lileo1.htm

both of these talk about eye infection and glaucoma


here's a pro sun gazer page that somewhat addreses these supposed dangers
http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/sungazing/

this page claims that the story of the four LSD boys staring into the sun was a hoax
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/drugs/lsdsun.htm

pro sun gazing
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/sunbath.htm
http://www.lifemysteries.com/html/how_to_sungaze.html

pro hira ratuk manum at NASA
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/20 ... nlight.htm
http://www.rediff.com/us/2003/jul/01nasa.htm
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/lif ... 090200.htm
http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/message ... nID=245588

discussion forums concerning sun gazing
http://wayne.powerfulintentions.com/forum/topic/2992
http://forums.lifemysteries.com/
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/fo ... opic=30430

here's one from my hometown
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/feat ... azers.html

Galileo went blind from glaucoma, which there was a family history of. Theres no history of Galileo going blind temporarily as a result of sun gazing, he went blind naturally about 30 years after his observations at the age of 72 or 73. I wasnt suggesting he went blind from the sun, just pointing out the false history of the recovery that this Hira Ratek Manum was presenting to further his following. The earlier story about the lsd was allegedly fake, it was an urban legend in Santa Barbara that was published as an actual story in Time magazine, but there are plenty of cases of the sun causing blindness and is explained how here

http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/S ... fety2.html
http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s1128950.htm

Edit- What tha F@#$. Stop posting stuff before i do you A$$holes
just kidding

Im sorry but

http://web.mid-day.com/news/world/2003/july/57637.htm
http://blogs.salon.com/0001561/2003/07/05.html
http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/000150.html

And if you go to Nasas site they have no information on him.

Edit- I probably shouldnt have posted that last link, that will probably start a new thread.

From one of those links:



If you're going to keep staring at the sun, it's absolutely crucial you follow this. This is when Galileo made his observations of the sun.

Bet he died of starvation
Or even just simply got blind and fell of a cliff

awww... i'm not nice

i've gathered enough information to deem this experiment a tenable endeavor...i was a bit nervous after yesterday's sun gaze when the
sunspots lasted about 4 minutes, but i was staring at the sun through a tree and it was the first day that i stared w/out my glasses. The tree is important because, like an eclipse, its liable to confuse your eye as to the intensity of the light, by way of high contrast.

i've decided to only stare at the sun during the last minutes of dusk, and i will redo the first three days' time requirements, then continue with the timetable after this weekend. I will continue unless my eyes tell me otherwise and will post here from time to time about it. Be sure that if anything bad happens to me, i will alert this board immediately so as not to pass on this potentially dangerous practice.

btw-i think being completely sober during these sessions is imperative due to exagerated pupil openings whilst stoned.

Perhaps actually staring <b>at</b> the sun is unnecessary.
Just like actually saying 50 Hail Marys may not be necessary for penance.
Maybe the sun worship itself is yet another psychological mechanism for unlocking certain dormant regions of the brain. I'd just hate to see you end up blind TF... when there might be other ways to achieve exactly the same results.