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The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion

Politics & The GovernmentBy Kraken

I just want to say that I've watched Michael Tsarion's lectures on google video (2012, origin of evil, symbolism) and I've noticed some curious mistakes in them.

Tsarion's lectures have been interesting, or else I wouldn't have watched so much of him, there's been some things he's said that I've found interesting, some ideas that have made me think. However, after I've noticed the mistakes I must assume that majority of the things he says can't be taken very seriously.

In the video Origins of Evil he gives this quote to back up his claims about the Fabian Society being part of the Illuminati:

To play those millions of minds, to watch them slowly respond to an unseen stimulus, to guide their aspirations without their knowledge- all this is a big and endless game of chess of ever extraordinary excitement.
-Sydney West, founder of Fabian Society


Now, I tried to search for this quote. What I found out is that there exists no Sydney West. Mr. Tsarion quotes this fictional "Sydney West" in two videos: Origins of Evil and his lecture on media symbolism.

I digged further and found that there existed a man called Sidney Webb who was in the Fabian Society. I don't know how on earth someone could make so bad spelling mistake twice in a row. It points to either incompetence or deceit, in any case Tsarion doesn't look so good. Also, I'm still not even sure if this Sidney Webb ever said what's quoted.

Another similar, even worse, mistake I've noticed is from another quote. This quote he put forward to support his claim that the Freemasons were infiltrated by the Illuminati and so the Freemasons were changed from "good guys" to "bad guys":

I am convinced that we, as an Order, have been infiltrated and come under the power of some very evil occult Order, particularly versed in science, both occult and otherwise....their methods being Black Magic, that is to say electro-magnetic power, hypnotism, and powerful suggestion. We are convinced that the Freemasonic Order is being controlled by some Order, after the nature of the Illuminati, if not by that order itself.
-Duke of Brunswick, Head of World Freemasonry


Now, I also digged for this quote. What I found is actually interesting. I found the original internet page where this quote is from:

http://www.pluckerbooks.com/works/websternh/secretsocieties/chapter12.html  

To find the quote, scroll down to the bottom of the page.

Now, that page is from an actual book called Secret Societies and Subversive Movements by Nesta H. Webster.

What's most interesting about this is that in this book, where the quote is originally from, this quote is not attributed to the Duke of Brunswick. You can read it for yourselves on the page I linked to (scroll to bottom) and you'll see this quote is anonymous and attributed to some Freemason initiate (someone of low degree) and therefore most certainly it can't be the Duke of Brunswick (the highest degree). Yes, the quote exists - No, it isn't from the man Tsarion makes you think it's from. This again suggests Tsarion's deception or incompetence.

At last, there are other critisisms I have for Mr. Tsarion. By browsing his webpages I get the distinct feeling that he's a businessman. You can become an initiate in his Mystical School for 555$ and you can buy all kinds of astrology and tarot reports from him, of various kinds. Of course he has also alot of lectures on DVD that you can buy and very expensive ebook (24$ for an ebook is very steep but perhaps justifiable for a "real book").

Then, if you check his pages on "psychic vampirism" and if you read his blogs where he talks about psychic vampires you'll find examples of blatant ignorance on human nature and psychological disease. It's filled with hate and prejudice, at one point he talks about how all "psychic vampires" should best be removed, shot through their "3rd eye" etc.. He sounds like a crazy maniac and his method to categorize between psychic vampires and "regular" people is that: people are creative but psychic vampires are destructive. You might as well reason that Mr. Tsarion himself is a psychic vampire because hatred is in fact destructive and it's easy to put doubts to whether some of his claims are in any way creative.

You can find Tsarion's homepage here:

http://www.michaeltsarion.com/
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Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1)
by Vehement on Monday, July 02, 2007 @ 16:32:03 CDT
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Kraken,

I would have to say that this is a poor review of Michael's overall work. It is not enough to say that this man is a genius as far as the amount of information that he brings to the table for people to be exposed too. His whole mission, similar to the mission here at The Book of Thoth, is to bring to light the negative influences that are upon society today.

Your critique of his work using only two quotes that he has pulled from his massive knowledge bank is rather grim and does not warrant an article posted here in my opinion. I did look up information on Sydney Webb and yes it is a mis-spelling as the name is Sidney and though it does not say that he was the founder of the Fabian Society, it does state at the following website that he was at the core of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society

As far as the quote from the Duke of Brunswick goes, the following website confirms Michael's source of the message. Scroll down to the 5th quote on the page.

http://www.osfa.org.uk/quote.htm

If you go to the following forum setup by Michael himself you will find a massive amount of free information that he has made available for anyone to view at their pleasure. He is very active here and is available for questioning should you have any warranting his attention. Also the next website link is where he give a massive amount of information regarding Tarot, his mystery school, among many other things. On that website you can read large portions of his upcoming book under the Astrotheology section.

http://www.redicecreations.com/mtsarforum/

http://www.taroscopes.com/home.html

Finally your take on the 'psychic vampirism' is rather grim. I suggest either visiting the forum and learning more about it or reading more into his work. There is much more to it than you skimmed through and it is absolutely obvious to see in society once you know all about it.

Thanks,

V.






Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1)
by Kraken on Friday, January 25, 2008 @ 12:58:55 CST
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Even though there's a long time since I posted this article I want to re-clarify my post in case anyone stumbles upon it in the future.

You, dear sir, are WRONG about the quote. You see, there's a difference in going to a random quote homepage and to the SOURCE of the quote.

I actually researched the origin of this quote well:

I am convinced that we, as an Order, have been infiltrated and come under the power of some very evil occult Order, particularly versed in science, both occult and otherwise....their methods being Black Magic, that is to say electro-magnetic power, hypnotism, and powerful suggestion. We are convinced that the Freemasonic Order is being controlled by some Order, after the nature of the Illuminati, if not by that order itself.

And I can say, with 95% confidence that it is NOT from the Duke of Brunswick. There are disinformative "quote homepages" that make the erroneous claim this is from the Duke .... it's one of these sources that Mr. Tsarion has used for his "research".

I'm afraid that he DOES NOT go to the true source when he seeks information but often to some secondary or tertiary source... (To update some more recent dubious claims I've heard from him is that the name Tarot equals Torah. I'm afraid this claim is from some dubious source that Tsarion has used for "information" and has not taken the time to confirm.)

To restate: The quote abovementioned is from a Freemason Initiate (therefore not the Duke as he was of a high degree), furthermore it's ORIGINALLY from the book: Secret Societies and Subversive Movements by Nesta H. Webster. For further information you may read the respective chapter from the original book:

http://www.pluckerbooks.com/works/websternh/secretsocieties/chapter12.html

Right shall be right. I hope this has enlightened those reading this that are seeking truth.









Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1)
by Zenlong on Thursday, May 22, 2008 @ 12:54:03 CDT
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Hello everyone I am new here and have not been on a forum in some time so I hope to contibute to this Forum. well on to the topic. I Have recently stumbled onto Tsarions work and have noticed a few mistakes on is part, I am still keeping an eye on his work, which I can agree with for the most part. although he is going to have to do some more convincing on the Irish origins of civilization.




Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1)
by mimi on Monday, June 30, 2008 @ 12:02:56 CDT
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"However, after I've noticed the mistakes, I must assume that majority of the things he says can't be taken very seriously."

If you can discredit someone's total body of work based off of this type of research, then I can't take you very seriously, either.

Note: You can discuss a persons ideas without being in agreement or disagreement with it. Free your mind.

Just because you Agree with something that doesn't make it TRUE.

Just because you Disagree doesn't that make it FALSE.

You are not the sole possessor of Truth. You're agreement or disagreement with an idea doesn't determine its validity.

Your article here is not thought provoking or deep, whatsoever. I have learned nothing from you accept that you are a "hater".

Tsarion may not be 100% true, but at least he gets you to think and dig deeper into concepts and ideas that many take for granted.

His main message is not that we should BELIEVE HIM but that we should think for ourselves.

How about you try that and learn from his example. You may actually write something that could benefit the world, instead of just trashing the hard works of others.




Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1)
by ShadyLady on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 @ 06:53:19 CST
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I too had been trying to find info on this man as there wasno wikipedia page on him! I tried to find answers and found this page; well it's a good thing I found it b/c you will all find it interesting:

whois.domaintools.com/michaeltsarion.com


This is micheal tsarions domain account page with a list of all the web pages he supervises because for contact information it lists the same address used by him on his mtsar forum! All the websites listed have similar website design. One is called beyondrealityradio.com which advertises itself as a radio podcast version of the GhostGunters show on sci-find channel and anothwr Obe of the 15 listed sites is redicecreations.com! I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with it since it interviews michael tsarion all the time. Why would he be the webmaster of a scifi channel show related website and webmaster for the show that I terviews him? Another site on the list is an online occult college offereing classes in the thousands. Another is a Wicca store, another bizarre one is meri. org.

One thing is for certain here, this is a businessman and high level occultist with lots of help to run these sites! He might be an operative; be wary and continue to seek real biographical info on him




Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1)
by freebird on Sunday, November 30, 2008 @ 07:47:02 CST
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The Sidney, Michael Tsarion is talking about is Sidney Webb. Here is the Wikipedia link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Webb




Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1)
by benning on Saturday, April 04, 2009 @ 12:08:21 CDT
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I've been watching an Atlantis presentation by Tsarion - videotaped in an auditorium, I think - and though I find it interesting, I also was perplexed to hear him confidently note that the word "genesis" means the "genes of Isis." Odd, that, since the word is English, from the Latin "genesis", from the Greek (from gignesthai "to be born," ), which is translated from the Hebrew word "bereshith". That Hebrew word means, literally, "in the beginning,".

So Tsarion is off a bit. Does this negate all that he says? No, but it makes what he says open to criticism and further investigation.

I'd rather pay heed to Immanuel Velikovsky's alternative History than Tsarion's. But he is interesting to watch. ;)




Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1)
by blueorca on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 @ 14:50:24 CDT
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Hi,

I have listened to the "You Tube" videos by Michael Tsarion. Over all I am very impressed by his knowledge and sincerity. Most important to me is that with his information I was able to think through a lot of what is happening with our government and people... and, in connecting the dots realize some "OMG that makes sense!"

Self knowledge is hard to explain and almost impossible to defend. Even if there are technical mistakes in the facts as presented by Tsarion, it is my own self knowledge that I trust... that is my own awareness and awakening to a bigger picture, than the one I was raised to believe .... information that makes sense to me, based on what I see and hear in the daily news…. And, my own reasoning powers…. That is very valuable.

In my web search for more info on Tsarion I found this:

Is Michael Tsarion as Smart as he Seems?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9rW3zhdKc&feature=related

Anyone that can stretch my mind and get me to see new information that I find enlightening I am grateful for.

Sincerely,

Blue Orca
Previously from Vega
Now on Planet Earth




Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1)
by mp3 on Monday, August 24, 2009 @ 00:45:45 CDT
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Truth be told, I haven't been able to investigate every citation and quote that mtsar has made in his presentations, but I am always conscious that the many claims and references he provides really needs to be confirmed and meticulously checked to make sure that the story is entirely valid, as valuable and respectable as I ultimately find his work.

I think every public figure needs to come to terms with the fact that they will encounter and are subject to critiques and inquiries, and I think he knows that. Some people approach that privilege in a harmful and destructive manner, which your column does not do and that's why I find it intellectually poignant. Judging from the vastness of his references and data, I wouldn't be shocked that he made some errors and blunders, while focusing on the big picture. Who knows, really - this stuff is put out there and we are left to interpret for ourselves. TBH If this man were working for the "other side", I would still entirely be appreciative of him for the values he preaches and the questions he raises. In fact I believe even Michael has said "where there is doubt there is freedom", so there you have it right there.




Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1)
by Outram on Saturday, September 26, 2009 @ 01:53:16 CDT
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I think your review is pretty terrible Kraken.
To begin with it's fairly obvious that you've done your 'digging' on the internet... Real reliable and complete source of information there, and who'd have thought that maybe stuff relating to secret societies might be somewhat hard to find...

I agree, with any paranormal/conspiracy research there are bound to be holes, it's a hard field to research well. But I think Tsarion does an excellent job compared to some of his peers. At least he does actually quote and reference, to the best of his ability.

If you're going to be critical of people who put so much effort into their work, maybe you should leave your armchair/internet connection and do some real reading?




Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1)
by Hophead on Tuesday, October 20, 2009 @ 01:39:51 CDT
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I'd once sat down with a friend, to have a rolling conversation about Michael Tsarion. I'd taped one of his shows from a previous night of Coast to Coast (probably from 2007, or so). After listening to all of it, my friend and I just wound up agreeing that Tsarion doesn't really know what he's talking about. For what it's worth, both my friend and I are fairly well read and reasonable people.




 
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