I just want to say that I've watched Michael Tsarion's lectures on google video (2012, origin of evil, symbolism) and I've noticed some curious mistakes in them.
Tsarion's lectures have been interesting, or else I wouldn't have watched so much of him, there's been some things he's said that I've found interesting, some ideas that have made me think. However, after I've noticed the mistakes I must assume that majority of the things he says can't be taken very seriously.
In the video Origins of Evil he gives this quote to back up his claims about the Fabian Society being part of the Illuminati:
To play those millions of minds, to watch them slowly respond to an unseen stimulus, to guide their aspirations without their knowledge- all this is a big and endless game of chess of ever extraordinary excitement.
-Sydney West, founder of Fabian Society
Now, I tried to search for this quote. What I found out is that there exists no Sydney West. Mr. Tsarion quotes this fictional "Sydney West" in two videos: Origins of Evil and his lecture on media symbolism.
I digged further and found that there existed a man called Sidney Webb who was in the Fabian Society. I don't know how on earth someone could make so bad spelling mistake twice in a row. It points to either incompetence or deceit, in any case Tsarion doesn't look so good. Also, I'm still not even sure if this Sidney Webb ever said what's quoted.
Another similar, even worse, mistake I've noticed is from another quote. This quote he put forward to support his claim that the Freemasons were infiltrated by the Illuminati and so the Freemasons were changed from "good guys" to "bad guys":
I am convinced that we, as an Order, have been infiltrated and come under the power of some very evil occult Order, particularly versed in science, both occult and otherwise....their methods being Black Magic, that is to say electro-magnetic power, hypnotism, and powerful suggestion. We are convinced that the Freemasonic Order is being controlled by some Order, after the nature of the Illuminati, if not by that order itself.
-Duke of Brunswick, Head of World Freemasonry
Now, I also digged for this quote. What I found is actually interesting. I found the original internet page where this quote is from:
To find the quote, scroll down to the bottom of the page.
Now, that page is from an actual book called Secret Societies and Subversive Movements by Nesta H. Webster.
What's most interesting about this is that in this book, where the quote is originally from, this quote is not attributed to the Duke of Brunswick. You can read it for yourselves on the page I linked to (scroll to bottom) and you'll see this quote is anonymous and attributed to some Freemason initiate (someone of low degree) and therefore most certainly it can't be the Duke of Brunswick (the highest degree). Yes, the quote exists - No, it isn't from the man Tsarion makes you think it's from. This again suggests Tsarion's deception or incompetence.
At last, there are other critisisms I have for Mr. Tsarion. By browsing his webpages I get the distinct feeling that he's a businessman. You can become an initiate in his Mystical School for 555$ and you can buy all kinds of astrology and tarot reports from him, of various kinds. Of course he has also alot of lectures on DVD that you can buy and very expensive ebook (24$ for an ebook is very steep but perhaps justifiable for a "real book").
Then, if you check his pages on "psychic vampirism" and if you read his blogs where he talks about psychic vampires you'll find examples of blatant ignorance on human nature and psychological disease. It's filled with hate and prejudice, at one point he talks about how all "psychic vampires" should best be removed, shot through their "3rd eye" etc.. He sounds like a crazy maniac and his method to categorize between psychic vampires and "regular" people is that: people are creative but psychic vampires are destructive. You might as well reason that Mr. Tsarion himself is a psychic vampire because hatred is in fact destructive and it's easy to put doubts to whether some of his claims are in any way creative.
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Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1) by Vehement on Monday, July 02, 2007 @ 15:32:03 CDT (User Info | Send a Message)
Kraken,
I would have to say that this is a poor review of Michael's overall work. It is not enough to say that this man is a genius as far as the amount of information that he brings to the table for people to be exposed too. His whole mission, similar to the mission here at The Book of Thoth, is to bring to light the negative influences that are upon society today.
Your critique of his work using only two quotes that he has pulled from his massive knowledge bank is rather grim and does not warrant an article posted here in my opinion. I did look up information on Sydney Webb and yes it is a mis-spelling as the name is Sidney and though it does not say that he was the founder of the Fabian Society, it does state at the following website that he was at the core of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society
As far as the quote from the Duke of Brunswick goes, the following website confirms Michael's source of the message. Scroll down to the 5th quote on the page.
http://www.osfa.org.uk/quote.htm
If you go to the following forum setup by Michael himself you will find a massive amount of free information that he has made available for anyone to view at their pleasure. He is very active here and is available for questioning should you have any warranting his attention. Also the next website link is where he give a massive amount of information regarding Tarot, his mystery school, among many other things. On that website you can read large portions of his upcoming book under the Astrotheology section.
http://www.redicecreations.com/mtsarforum/
http://www.taroscopes.com/home.html
Finally your take on the 'psychic vampirism' is rather grim. I suggest either visiting the forum and learning more about it or reading more into his work. There is much more to it than you skimmed through and it is absolutely obvious to see in society once you know all about it.
Thanks,
V.
Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1) by Kraken on Friday, January 25, 2008 @ 11:58:55 CST (User Info | Send a Message)
Even though there's a long time since I posted this article I want to re-clarify my post in case anyone stumbles upon it in the future.
You, dear sir, are WRONG about the quote. You see, there's a difference in going to a random quote homepage and to the SOURCE of the quote.
I actually researched the origin of this quote well:
I am convinced that we, as an Order, have been infiltrated and come under the power of some very evil occult Order, particularly versed in science, both occult and otherwise....their methods being Black Magic, that is to say electro-magnetic power, hypnotism, and powerful suggestion. We are convinced that the Freemasonic Order is being controlled by some Order, after the nature of the Illuminati, if not by that order itself.
And I can say, with 95% confidence that it is NOT from the Duke of Brunswick. There are disinformative "quote homepages" that make the erroneous claim this is from the Duke .... it's one of these sources that Mr. Tsarion has used for his "research".
I'm afraid that he DOES NOT go to the true source when he seeks information but often to some secondary or tertiary source... (To update some more recent dubious claims I've heard from him is that the name Tarot equals Torah. I'm afraid this claim is from some dubious source that Tsarion has used for "information" and has not taken the time to confirm.)
To restate: The quote abovementioned is from a Freemason Initiate (therefore not the Duke as he was of a high degree), furthermore it's ORIGINALLY from the book: Secret Societies and Subversive Movements by Nesta H. Webster. For further information you may read the respective chapter from the original book:
Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1) by Zenlong on Thursday, May 22, 2008 @ 11:54:03 CDT (User Info | Send a Message)
Hello everyone I am new here and have not been on a forum in some time so I hope to contibute to this Forum. well on to the topic. I Have recently stumbled onto Tsarions work and have noticed a few mistakes on is part, I am still keeping an eye on his work, which I can agree with for the most part. although he is going to have to do some more convincing on the Irish origins of civilization.
Re: The Deceptions of Michael Tsarion (Score: 1) by mimi on Monday, June 30, 2008 @ 11:02:56 CDT (User Info | Send a Message)
"However, after I've noticed the mistakes, I must assume that majority of the things he says can't be taken very seriously."
If you can discredit someone's total body of work based off of this type of research, then I can't take you very seriously, either.
Note: You can discuss a persons ideas without being in agreement or disagreement with it. Free your mind.
Just because you Agree with something that doesn't make it TRUE.
Just because you Disagree doesn't that make it FALSE.
You are not the sole possessor of Truth. You're agreement or disagreement with an idea doesn't determine its validity.
Your article here is not thought provoking or deep, whatsoever. I have learned nothing from you accept that you are a "hater".
Tsarion may not be 100% true, but at least he gets you to think and dig deeper into concepts and ideas that many take for granted.
His main message is not that we should BELIEVE HIM but that we should think for ourselves.
How about you try that and learn from his example. You may actually write something that could benefit the world, instead of just trashing the hard works of others.
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