Good idea Valiens.

And there's always the chance that someone was able to beam down some 3D looking alien grey into my backyard.... somehow causing my dogs to alert from inside and upstairs.......... to us finding it....... to it turning and looking our way........ to it vanishing as it turned away. After going to see the movie 'Iron Man' yesterday w/the family........... I'm wondering just how advanced we are?

All I can say is, if this is a game....... it's not a very nice one! I can describe what I saw.......but I don't know if it was man made or the real thing. Judging from the dogs behaivor....... it seemed to be every bit real.
I say this now, because I don't want to be one that spreads disinfo......... I can only describe it.

cruiser

I'll scim down the true crisis.

Harmonic misalignments and toxic combinations of waveforms in the basis of the consciousness substance in and around the earth, resulting in humanity and alien races around this galaxy having twisted subconscious minds and unkind disunified hearts. This is from and because of evil in the cosmic consciousness around the area.

No matter what government, religion, ideology, soul or race you have here, there is corruption. I don't want to sound defeatist but trying to pin the tail on the symptoms is like batting at the air. So long as your energy-based consciousness is in the wrong spacial fields, you're in trouble and problems will keep on rising up in every avenue.

That said, yeah, mindcontrolled, alien influenced and evil spirit possessed governers are up to some sh*t and all the sheep are not going to be able to do anything about it, never have never will. The sheep are also mindcontrolled, alien influenced and evil spirit possessed. Isn't that just great..?

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Hi everyone,

Hey map-reader

................... Ya...they heard us they just need to follow a schedule

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Sometimes I can see what I think are my blood cells.. I see little transparent circles with a darker smaller circle in the middle.. I can also see sometimes large (compared to what I think are my blood cells) line type of thing.. When I move my eye to try to look directly at these things they move as well (probably because they're on my eye.. >.> )

And about three or four times in my life when I've had a huge hacking cough I see extremely bright but extremely, extremely tiny lights fly by very quickly as if they were passing through me. They appear and zoom by then disappear. They go through objects and even myself. But this effect only last probably 10-15 seconds. I have to realllllllly be in a bad shape for that to happen though so it hasn't happened often.

It used to be quite annoying to see my bloodcells (at least I think they are from what I've seen in pictures and a microscope) during the day but as I grew older I really don't care.


Edit: Would help if I looked at the wiki posted eh? Thank you for that. That clears up a lot

valiens wrote:

"Besides, in this reality, a Fact is not exactly a fact. It seems all things can be altered through mere changes in perception ...or time."

Is there a reality where a fact is exactly a fact, and if so, can I change that by change of perception too?

did you just blow your own mind? amazing. or maybe it was just cynicism. regardless, who am I to answer that, and who are you to even ask?

He passed the test by accurately describing the personality/character of the female Grey individual aswel as the ship's internal appearances.

THoTH wrote:

Uncertain as to what you mean about the end being tenuous, the idea that it is difficult to disprove?

Clarification about the word "end". The contextual meaning of this word apparently became lost because we crossed posts, timewise. (My fault, I spent too much time looking for the photo of the UFO.) So one way to restore the contextual meaning would be to restore the posts to the order they should have had, timewise.

You first wrote:

THoTH wrote:

{snipped}Last point first, if the idea were to become widespread, it could be seen as a 'virus' which would alter the 'reality' construct, to what end can only be guessed at. This process being similar to spiritual "enlightenment" and all that entails. Recognition, being the first step.

{emphasis added in bold}

Then I wrote (out of sequence):

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Please pardon. I became too focused on finding an example of the photo, and therefore neglected to reply to this post, although it deserves a reply. To begin, the end also seems tenous to me. {snipped}

From this restoration into the proper time sequence, we discover that the contextual meaning of the word "end" was "goal", or "objective". So the meaning of the clause as a whole was, "Last point first, if the idea were to become widespread, it could be seen as a 'virus' which would alter the 'reality' construct, to what purpose can only be guessed at.[/quote]

Now that we have re-established the contextual meaning of the word "end" to be "purpose", let me proceed to answer your comment by saying that although it's true that a casual reader of the message, which seems to have been provided by the originator of all originators (OO), would have to guess about the purpose of now spreading the idea that we live in a VR, it's also true that a person who solved the riddle, which was formed by the message, would realize what the purpose was. This would be true because part of the solution mentions that specific topic. But I should not reveal that purpose for several reasons. One reason is that I should not be a "spoiler" for those who want to solve the riddle for themselves. So I hope that you will pardon me for not publically mentioning the purpose. Unfortunately, a comment like that provides an opportunity for somebody to say, "Aw, you don't know what the purpose is. You're just pretending that you know, so you can pretend to be a hot-shot riddle solver." Hm. What could I do to prevent that? Should I pretend that I don't know what I know? Should I not make the comment in the first place? But if I don't assure people that the riddle can be solved, some might not try, or try and then give up, saying, "Aw, this is just a big mess. I'll never get to the bottom of this because there is no bottom. It just goes on forever." As somebody mentioned, there are two mistakes to searching for truth. One is not starting, and the other is stopping. Yes, but in between those two is a third which is making a wrong turn into a blind alley. The trick is to know when it's a blind alley and when it has a secret door. So I'm telling everybody up front, there's a door and a doorbell in this one; so keep on keeping on.

Moving on to another point of yours, I wrote:

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Hm. If we are characters in a VR, then it would seem as though our ability could be varied? Just to be extreme, for the benefit of illustrating a point, would it be impossible to endow us with an IQ of 50 Peta?

To which you replied:

THoTH wrote:

If I knew what that meant, I'd answer I agree it could be varied, but to what end?

Excuse me. I could and should have been more clear. I should have said, "endow us with an IQ of 2,000" instead of using the fantastic, and therefore incomprehensible hyperpole "of Peta". As to what end, or to what purpose, again, I don't want to be a "spoiler". So let me merely say that a promise has been made that everything will be explained to us. One of the implications of such a promise is that we will understand the explanation, yes? If that's true, then it would logically follow that if it were necessary to increase our intelligence for us to understand, then that would happen, yes?

Moving on to your next point, I wrote:

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But from personal conversations with several people, who do adhere to a religion which teaches that this reality was created, I am willing to say that it is not yet widely realized among such people that this, being a creation, is therefore probably an artificial reality. To the extent that's the case, such people might have to make a larger adjustment in their worldview than would, say, a gamer, if it were to be shown, ala Bostrom and Whitworth, that this is a virtual reality?

To which you replied:

THoTH wrote:

It could be construed as a creation of a virtual reality, but in terms of it being artificial hmm.. the concept of a supreme being creating everything would be natural to that being presumably? I don't think we can apply what we consider natural to a scenario like that, maybe I'm wrong though? I think if it were conclusively proven to be the case, yes people would have a lot of adjusting, but then again, they wouldn't be doing the adjusting, that'd be down to the parameters of the PM?

Although all of these points are first-rate, I have to beg off from replying in order to avoid being a spoiler, except for your point about "if it were conclusively proven". Ah yes. That sounds delightful; and of course, time will indeed do exactly that. The fly in that ointment is that time won't do it sufficiently soon to prevent anybody being required to act without knowing for certain. I therefore do believe that you have pointed your finger at the exact center of the topic of "faith". However, I must admit that it is easier for me to have faith after I made some progress in solving the riddle. After all, the mere existence of the riddle is evidence in support of the idea that there is an OO. Did I hear a few snickers? Did I hear somebody say, "Oh yeah. Right. Listen, you made up that riddle just to fool people." Ha! Got you! I showed my work, every step of the way. There is no word of the riddle which was invented by me. I show where every single word of it came from, and it's a historical fact that every one of those words was written long before I was born. For that matter, before my parents were born either. But notwithstanding that, it's still a fact - there's wiggle room to disbelieve it.

As for disbelief, It is well known that it once was said, "...separate the wheat from the chaff..." How is that to be accomplished, if not by belief and disbelief, respectively?

Of course, it must be said that a lot of people believe this or that; so there must be more to it than merely believing whatever, yes? It is therefore probably to this need to heed what one believes that a portion reads, "Take care what you hear", yes? If that were to be true, then how might we best do that? It seems that a portion of the message addressed this topic by saying, "Seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened, ask and you shall receive." Hm. But seek where? Knock on what door? Ask for what? The solution to the riddle provides answers for all of these questions, and more.

Wait, did I hear somebody say, "It's not fair that we have to solve the riddle!" Even if it were to be true that it were not fair, so what? Like, if there really were to be an OO, would what we think is fair, over-rule such an entity? Yeah, right<sarcasm>.

Moving along to you next point, I wrote:

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I had not thought to attempt to construct a disproof; but now that you mention it, I see that you are probably right to say that it would be impossible to disprove it. One consequence of you being right about this would be that the idea, of this being a virtual reality, would therefore likely continue to permeate society, here and elsewhere. As to the consequences, the exampe of Japan is encouraging because they seem to be much further along the road to awareness of VRs than the US; but their society has not crashed and burned, as the saying goes. Or am I mistaken about the condition of their society?

To which you replied:

THoTH wrote:

I couldn't say what condition their society is in really, I know that technology in various parts has had a detrimental long term effect in terms of depression, and related ills. However, that culture is so different I can't say much more. In terms of being able to disprove, or the inability to, that would cause the idea to permeate, and movies like the matrix et al, amplify those ideas. Not saying that's right or wrong, but I think it's a widely known notion.

I don't know if it's been asked, but if this is virtual, then there must be something outside of that the PM, and couldn't that go on forever, the PM being virtual to something else etc? One other is how big must this system be to incorporate the universe and all it's workings? {snipped}

As to something being outside of a PM, that depends on which PM is being mentioned. If it were to be a PM who originates a VR which is nested inside another, for instance, the VR in which all others are nested, then yes, there is something "outside" of such a PM. On the other hand, if the PM were to be the OO, then no, there isn't anything "outside" of that PM. How do I know? Good question. I know because a portion of the message, which I believe is from the OO, reads, "I am." Another portion of that message mentions that everything in that message is in the form of a comparison because it is intended for public consumption. If that's true, then the statement which reads, "I am" is not merely a statement; it is also part of a comparison, yes?. If it's part of a comparison, then, it is the explicit half of a comparison, yes?. If the implicit half were to be written, then it would read, "Nothing else is", because the one half of a contrast can always be constructed from the other half, yes? Hm. If it's true that "Nothing else is", then the OO has no environment, yes? Furthermore, if the OO has no environment, then everything other than the OO is imagined by the OO, there being nobody or nothing else to imagine it, yes?

As to the size needed for a VR, if space were to be imaginary, then as much of it could be imagined as were needed, yes? The neat aspect of that is that imaginary space takes up zero room, yes?

Prophmaji wrote:

All I can gather from the perceived response to some of my ramblings here on this forum, that even here, such things, such thoughts and utterances are not deemed to be either cogent or realistic. I will fade way into the backdrop, as before, and continue on my way. My impression has always been that I'm not supposed to really even exist in this realm-with regards to the human consciousness in general and the specific. Therefore, I won't. Back into darkness, I suppose. Only human. Like anyone else. Which, apparently, is the whole point for this specific ride. I'll come to the forum every now and then, but I won't say much, or involve myself much. I will speak on these subjects no more.

Any time anyone posts something on the internet as 'out-of-the-ordinary' as what you've posted, people are going to question it, and question if it's realistic. That's just what people do, especially in regards to weird stuff.

Thanks Annu, that was quite an interesting post.

Also I'd like to say I am very happy for you, finding out what you are and getting answers.

Greetings
I am new here to the web site and I have just scanned over this, and find it most interesting. I had to sit back digest some and think of how this if true could be linked in today's society at present. Then I just watched the main stream news which I do not watch but very little to begin with, and to see that the CDC is concerned with young childern and why they were not getting there recommend shots which came to around 16-26 which was far more than I ever had.

Anyway I always wondered at the possiblity of a controlling race or species that controls are lives in a number of ways. It is very possible today since the Patriot ACT most of freedoms has vanished, and I believed in a hidden hand for some reason guiding the human species to the left and to the right never in a straight line since I can remember.

My thoughts are following this line today as I see so much change and how for one reason or the other this country and others. I guess we have become a nanny country always being told what to do.

Working in this hospital one can see this on a daily scale.

I have always thought we are an investment since it is possible that we were produced, created that those who created us would want to see how there invest- ment is doing.

I see a stepping stone approach to the ill's of today, I see the present crises leading up to something very big on the horizon, and none too good either folks.

And all in the back ground species as old as well who knows.

Thank you for the article

Sincerely

Blackthorn